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Another School Shooting, Taft Cali.

United States - guns are legal and easily available
Murder rate of 4.8/100,000.
United Kingdom - guns are illegal and harder to get
Murder rate of 1.2/100,000.

I wonder if there's any kind of connection there?

While you're at it, state where the most gun murders in the US take place, and what the gun laws of those areas are like.
 
sucks, hope those injured make a quick recovery.

so just more infighting, your side is wrong and dumb, no your side is wrong and dumb, meanwhile nothing gets done....MERICA!?!?
 
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I'm against banning any and all guns. But while I do agree in most cases the average person won't think of an assault rifle as a weapon they want as a form of protection, who am I to say they shouldn't have access to one? If someone breaks into my home, I'd probably feel more comfortable holding an assault rifle over a pistol.

So where do you try the line? Fully automatic, .50 Cals, where? I mean if a Assault Rifle is better than a hand gun for home/close quarters protection, than why not an Uzi? Just spray that bad guy down!!!

By the why, best gun for home protection is a small to mid caliber hand gun. Something that is light and you can shoot accurately quickly. What's quicker something I have to raise, shoulder, sight and shoot. Or, something I raise, sight and shoot. Finally if it takes me more than 2-3 shots to stop whatever it is that I am protecting myself against, I am most likely dead.

Why are you grouping a sling shot in with a samurai sword or a meat cleaver? It makes your argument sound a lot better, but we both know that's silly and very misleading.

Because it's no less silly comparing a sling shot to a samurai sword than to compare a samurai sword to a Assault Rifle or any high capacity gun for that matter.

I don't think anybody said Mental Health Reform wasn't important, it is! But Gun Reform is too! Nobody should be talking about banning all guns, because after all this is 'MERICA!! But there is zero need for Assault Rifles or high capacity clips in the Private Sector. And just because is not a reason.
 
......soooo lemme get this straight.


no one actually died ?


and he didn't do the typical thing and shoot himself afterwards, so he got caught anyway ?

only 2 people injured ?


call me ****ed up for making light on this, but what an epic ****ing fail on this guy's part. seriously.

worst. shooting. ever. :dry:
 
......soooo lemme get this straight.


no one actually died ?


and he didn't do the typical thing and shoot himself afterwards, so he got caught anyway ?

only 2 people injured ?


call me ****ed up for making light on this, but what an epic ****ing fail on this guy's part. seriously.

worst. shooting. ever. :dry:

Not only are you ****ed up, you are seriously ****ed up if serious...

If trolling you're just dumb.
 
Not only are you ****ed up, you are seriously ****ed up if serious...

If trolling you're just dumb.
jeez, i knew i was gonna get someone pissed off but not to this level.

i'm not saying it'd be a good thing if someone died in this situation, but if that was this guy's intention....well, he clearly failed pretty badly is all i'm saying. i guess i just have a really dark sense of humour.
 
......soooo lemme get this straight.


no one actually died ?


and he didn't do the typical thing and shoot himself afterwards, so he got caught anyway ?

only 2 people injured ?


call me ****ed up for making light on this, but what an epic ****ing fail on this guy's part. seriously.

worst. shooting. ever. :dry:

Not only are you ****ed up, you are seriously ****ed up if serious...

If trolling you're just dumb.

Agreed with Badger, that's just ****ed up.

Btw, that not a dark sense of humour, that is just plain sick. I don't think anyone in their right mind would be disappointed he didn't kill anyone. I think that to most they would think that would be a good day that they only got hurt and the little **** who did it got caught and will now have to live the consequences for the rest of their lives.
 
Agreed with Badger, that's just ****ed up.

Btw, that not a dark sense of humour, that is just plain sick. I don't think anyone in their right mind would be disappointed he didn't kill anyone. I think that to most they would think that would be a good day that they only got hurt and the little **** who did it got caught and will now have to live the consequences for the rest of their lives.

He isnt saying he is disappointed. He is saying the guy is a colossal **** up. As in hypothetically speaking I want to shoot someone and end up missing them and then go to jail. Or say I want to push someone in front of a train but instead knock them out of the way and fall on the tracks myself. As a criminal/crazy person this guy fails. Its good he failed but he still fails. It was too early to say something like that and in light of the current gun situation it would have been better left unsaid but nowhere did hellblazer say he was disappointed.

On another note, I read the shooter said their motive was that he was bullied. Im not sure if he shot the bullies or attempted to. In this day and age being a bully isnt just sad its potentially deadly so I think I would think twice before picking on someone.
 
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Agreed with Badger, that's just ****ed up.

Btw, that not a dark sense of humour, that is just plain sick. I don't think anyone in their right mind would be disappointed he didn't kill anyone. I think that to most they would think that would be a good day that they only got hurt and the little **** who did it got caught and will now have to live the consequences for the rest of their lives.
holy ****ing tapdancing jesus playing a fiddle.....


i'm NOT "dissappointed" that he didn't end up killing anyone, and it's good that in this situation the shooter is actually caught and no innocent people died, other than how these situations usually go. all i meant was that IN HIS PERSPECTIVE AND FROM WHAT HE SET OUT TO DO, he was clearly what most of the internet would refer to as " an epic fail " . THAT'S ALL I ****ING MEANT. i wasn't trying to "glorify " these type of things. i don't get it.... if i made a ****ing holocaust joke , or a 9/11 joke, or even a dead baby joke, i probably wouldn't get nearly as much ridicule. people on the internet get away with it every ****ing day. but i make ONE " shooting fail " joke and i'm some kind of sick animal in your minds. whatever. i don't need to please or convince a bunch of uptight ****ing strangers on the internet.
 
I'm just disappointed he didn't turn the gun himself as soon as he woke up.
 
He isnt saying he is disappointed. He is saying the guy is a colossal **** up. As in hypothetically speaking I want to shoot someone and end up missing them and then go to jail. Or say I want to push someone in front of a train but instead knock them out of the way and fall on the tracks myself. As a criminal/crazy person this guy fails. Its good he failed but he still fails. It was too early to say something like that and in light of the current gun situation it would have been better left unsaid but nowhere did hellblazer say he was disappointed.

On another note, I read the shooter said their motive was that he was bullied. Im not sure if he shot the bullies or attempted to. In this day and age being a bully isnt just sad its potentially deadly so I think I would think twice before picking on someone.
THANK YOU. someone gets it.
 
holy ****ing tapdancing jesus playing a fiddle.....


i'm NOT "dissappointed" that he didn't end up killing anyone, and it's good that in this situation the shooter is actually caught and no innocent people died, other than how these situations usually go. all i meant was that IN HIS PERSPECTIVE AND FROM WHAT HE SET OUT TO DO, he was clearly what most of the internet would refer to as " an epic fail " . THAT'S ALL I ****ING MEANT. i wasn't trying to "glorify " these type of things. i don't get it.... if i made a ****ing holocaust joke , or a 9/11 joke, or even a dead baby joke, i probably wouldn't get nearly as much ridicule. people on the internet get away with it every ****ing day. but i make ONE " shooting fail " joke and i'm some kind of sick animal in your minds. whatever. i don't need to please or convince a bunch of uptight ****ing strangers on the internet. i'm probably going to get an infraction for this or whatever. all for **** that people get away with on the internet on any other given day. but oh well.

Deep breath. They kneejerked at your response. Dont worry about it. You were clear with what you meant. Well I got what you were saying anyways.
 
Deep breath. They kneejerked at your response. Dont worry about it. You were clear with what you meant. Well I got what you were saying anyways.
well, idunno. i figured if they already think i'm some kind of sociopathic , sick bastard, an angry rant would pale in comparison.
 
well, idunno. i figured if they already think i'm some kind of sociopathic , sick bastard, an angry rant would pale in comparison.

Lol you gotta sell the crazy. Start slinging your feces. That will really freak em out
 
Depends. How many exits are blocked? Is his alternative really going to be a meat cleaver? Or will it be a samurai sword? Considering that the Sandy incident was young kids, with their mindsets it's unlikely that they would take a physical approach and resort to running. I probably would have if I were in a crowded room. One on one, I was raised to where I most likely would have fought back... Actually I know I would thank goodness. But that's irrelevant, really.

It's been refutted already, but I have to highlight just how ridiculous this bit is. You can try and jump some logical hoops around it, but having a weapon like a knife or even a samurai sword carries a much, much less likely possibility of high fatality rate. I actually agree with the overall assessment that the issue is psychological at it's root, and not so much about the weapons themselves, but you really can't argue this above.

Anyway, it's always sad to hear about stuff like this. I'm hoping that the three people are indeed injured and not killed. At least there seemed to be relatively little fatality.
 
So where do you try the line? Fully automatic, .50 Cals, where? I mean if a Assault Rifle is better than a hand gun for home/close quarters protection, than why not an Uzi? Just spray that bad guy down!!!

By the why, best gun for home protection is a small to mid caliber hand gun. Something that is light and you can shoot accurately quickly. What's quicker something I have to raise, shoulder, sight and shoot. Or, something I raise, sight and shoot. Finally if it takes me more than 2-3 shots to stop whatever it is that I am protecting myself against, I am most likely dead.
The best home protection in most cases may be small to mid caliber. But not every break in is one bumbling high school student with a bad childhood. It's funny you say that now. But maybe one day you'll have an armed robbery on your own hands with real professionals, and there will be more of them than you can handle, and you won't be praising for those high powered weapons to go away.

Because it's no less silly comparing a sling shot to a samurai sword than to compare a samurai sword to a Assault Rifle or any high capacity gun for that matter.

I don't think anybody said Mental Health Reform wasn't important, it is! But Gun Reform is too! Nobody should be talking about banning all guns, because after all this is 'MERICA!! But there is zero need for Assault Rifles or high capacity clips in the Private Sector. And just because is not a reason.
Just to make it clear, because with the "'MERICA!!" quote, it seems to imply that you think I'm some kind of *****ebag gun touting American in the most generic light. I should make it clear that I don't even own a gun myself. Nor have I ever handled one. So if you're trying to make my argument hold less merit by painting me in a bad light, please don't do that. My whole life I've been against violence and weapons. They're for self-protection, maybe hunting. But nothing else. They're not toys to me.

Not to say I never will get one for protection, but if you're trying to pawn me off as someone who's vehemently trying to defend the right to own assault rifles, semi's etc. Then you're quite wrong. That's not really my position and if those kinds of weapons were to be banned, I wouldn't be outraged all that much if at all as long as hand guns were still allowed. Although you mention semi automatic weapons, but they're practically handguns that fire off faster and more clips if I'm correct.

So I don't know why you're acting like they're some kind of different beast when they're practically the same. And assault rifles can fire off more rounds before they need reloading, right? It's not like you can spray down a room with semi-automatic.

What you've been implying is that a hand gun will save a few extra lives or so. But in that scenario that you imply where I suppose that you think the gun will get wrestled away by a hero? Well, a few extra rounds wouldn't make the difference.

It's been refutted already, but I have to highlight just how ridiculous this bit is. You can try and jump some logical hoops around it, but having a weapon like a knife or even a samurai sword carries a much, much less likely possibility of high fatality rate. I actually agree with the overall assessment that the issue is psychological at it's root, and not so much about the weapons themselves, but you really can't argue this above.
If you're unfamiliar/uneducated with samurai swords then I can see how you'd take that position.
 
Oh my..I swear...it is not video games or movies. It's people. We are just violent in nature.

That's partially true. But there are plenty of countries that have a very high gun ownership rate, yet a VERY small murder rate. The biggest connection for why that is is because societies that are more close knit and community based are less aggressive and more connected to one another. (it's easier to see people as less than people if you live in a cold, isolated country like the US)
 
So what are they going to say was wrong with this shooter?
 
I didn't mean to come off as condescending. But it's the truth.
 

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