Anyone else sick of Jim Carrey's Riddler being called a joker ripoff?

[Reflectionist]

TLH should just have played Two-Face the way he plays all his roles.

I certainly agree.
But it shows that he can pull of campy roles, which he hasn't shown before; for that, I am impressed. Nothing more.

 

[The Guard]

You have probably just looked at the covers.

The Batman Forever Riddler is definitely not the Silver AGe / Bronze Age Riddler.

Are you twelve years old?

Of course he's not exactly the same. But he does posess elements of him, the TV show version, with quite a bit of Jim's own "personality" thrown in for good measure.

 

[The Batman]

You have probably just looked at the covers.

The Batman Forever Riddler is definitely not the Silver AGe / Bronze Age Riddler.

I love how you bash guard, yet you yourself have no credibility whatsoever....

tell me... have YOU read those comics?

 

[The Guard]

I will concede that he is a genius. I dunno, I just don't tend to consider puzzles all that brilliant.

 

[Ultraman Nexus]

I'm not tired of people calling it a Joker ripoff. I'm tired of it ever having happened in the first place. Not that the script was doing him any favors but a louder, more fabulous, rubberfacing version of Frank Gorshin's Riddler is not what anyone was really wanting for the big screen debut of that character.

 

[spiderfan970]

Sorry, I really like both the Riddler and Two-Face. Especially Two-Face, he's probably my favorite villain. And I really like the Frank Gorshin Riddler...But to me now when I watch it it feels like Batman is fighting Joker #1 and Joker #2. Although I would say that Jim has more merit because he was basing his performance after Gorshin.

 

[Majik1387]

I don't see either as a Joker rip-off.

Jim Carrey's Riddler was Gorshin inspired, and Tommy Lee Jones' Two-Face was a rip-off of his character from Natural Born Killers. Vocal acting and all.

 

[PyroChamber]

TLH should just have played Two-Face the way he plays all his roles.

I say he should have played Two-Face the way he did when he first appeared with half his face not shown yet. He was serious at that point, then after that it went downhill.

 

[TruerToTheCore]

I love how you bash guard, yet you yourself have no credibility whatsoever....

tell me... have YOU read those comics?

I've read almost every "regular" Batman comic (Batman, 'Tec, B&B, World's Finest) from the new look to the time of "Zero Hour".

 

[ScarecrowJim]

Huh, I thought Jim Carrey's Riddler was great. He shouldn't have had that buzz cut though, Riddler is better with long hair.

 

[Riven]

I've always liked Jim Carrey's performance as the Riddler, in fact it's the only element of BF I still enjoy.

Sure, it's over the top (that was the intention after all) but it's in no way a copy of the Joker and it really holds its own. Carrey is practically the only actor in that movie who takes his role seriously... That sounds weird because of how ludicrous the performance was, but he actually gives Nigma/the Riddler real character moments. It's not just a two dimensional shtick like all the other characters...

Kilmer : "I'm angry!"
TL Jones : "I'm goofy!"
O'Donnell : "I'm a rebel!"

There was a pathetic side to Nigma, a deranged, obsessive side, there was the exuberance, the chilling threatening side... Sure, none of it Oscar-worthy, but it worked in what they were going for, a Hollywood popcorn movie.

His best moment comes when Bruce Wayne has just turned him down on his brainwave project :
[sad] "You were supposed to understand" ... [evil] "I'll make you understand!"

 

[HolyPurpleSocks]

I love the performance, honestly...

Also- if anyone could find me a .gif clip of ANY lines of Nymga/Riddler from FOREVER, I'd greatly appreciate it, or have it made so I can use it for my avvy.

 

[The Batman]

I've read almost every "regular" Batman comic (Batman, 'Tec, B&B, World's Finest) from the new look to the time of "Zero Hour".

Ok....so instead of insulting guard with immature posts, how about proving that carrey isnt like 70's riddler...with some actual examples...since, you have read nearly 30 years of material...

 

[Superhobo]

I've read almost every "regular" Batman comic (Batman, 'Tec, B&B, World's Finest) from the new look to the time of "Zero Hour".

And this somehow prevents somebody else from doing the same, in some way?

 

[BlueLightning]

I love the performance, honestly...

Also- if anyone could find me a .gif clip of ANY lines of Nymga/Riddler from FOREVER, I'd greatly appreciate it, or have it made so I can use it for my avvy.

Here you have, pick one, its Riddlertastic!.

 

[BlueLightning]

 

[BlueLightning]

Well...it was fun

 

[HolyPurpleSocks]

Well...it was fun

Thanks, Lightning...You just made me one happy camper.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

I thought the Joker rip-off was TLJ's Two-Face?

I loved Carrey's Riddler.

I totally agree, Carrey definitly channeled Gorshin's Riddler almost to the T, I mean it was more modern but the laugh and the way he was silly all the time, was definitly Gorshin's Riddler, which I liked both for their use with the source material.

 

[BlueLightning]

You are welcome. And yeah, I also liked Carrey´s performance of the Riddler, in fact, Riddler is one of my favorites villians.

 

[MrQuinn]

The Riddler was a-okay for me, the only thing I didn't like was the constant hair stylings. I mean, to be Nygma with normal brown hair by day and then Riddler with neon orange hair that swoops all over the place by night, that must be pretty difficult to do, ya know? Other than that, I thought he was fine, he's basically an eccentric mad genius on the brink of lunacy, and I think Carey got that pretty down pat.

 

[El Payaso]

The Riddler was a-okay for me, the only thing I didn't like was the constant hair stylings. I mean, to be Nygma with normal brown hair by day and then Riddler with neon orange hair that swoops all over the place by night, that must be pretty difficult to do, ya know? Other than that, I thought he was fine, he's basically an eccentric mad genius on the brink of lunacy, and I think Carey got that pretty down pat.

I kinda agree about the hair. nevertheless Nygma is one of the few comic characters that realized that a thin mask around the eyes is not enough to cover your identity (you listening, Clark kent?)

 

[MegaGeek]

Nope, Tommy Lee Jones AND Carrey were both joker rip offs,, they basically played the same character, although TLJ was much much worse at it.

 

[Cain]

One of my favorite scenes in any Batman movie is the exchange between Riddler and Batman on claw island. That was classic Riddler right there and funny to boot "...and dreams of one daying being..barenaked with a girl!" t:

 

[deadgoon697]

I wont lie I loved BF as a kid but now that I am older I can see most of the issues everyone has with it. I don't see the comparison between Carrey's Riddler and The Joker (I would kill myself if J had a red-flat top) it just really seemed like Carrey playing Carrey but with glittery pajamas. As for Two-Face, IMO, the character should make me feel sympathy for him because of his constant conflict with himself. TLJ made me feel nothing of the sorts and I really didn't care what happened too him by the end of the movie. I am not saying TLJ wouldn't have made a good Harvey Dent/TF, but under the direction he had it was a lost cause.

My 2 cents.

I think this turned more into a thread about TLJ as T-F.