Anything Smallville does Heroes does better!!!

[LexCorp]

I have been reading lots of endless threads about how Smallville takes its sweet time to show Clark with new powers. Like flight for example. I think that a show like Smallville that has had so many poeple with powers has not even tried hard to raise the bar. I think Heroes has taken the lead in this area.

Heroes for me has at least triple the amount of powers on display. All powers are used in a very wide range. Season 2 has Peter back with a great display of his powers. One scene in an Irish pub far out does anything shown on Smallville. Also I feel it has better villains.

So anyway. I just think Heroes > Smallville.

What say you?

 

[KalKai]

Season 2 has Peter back with a great display of his powers. One scene in an Irish pub far out does anything shown on Smallville.

You mean this?

Wow, I'm in complete awe, it's jaw dropping, I've never seen something like that before, such a great display of powers. /sarcasm

 

[LexCorp]

You mean this?

Wow, I'm in complete awe, it's jaw dropping, I've never seen something like that before, such a great display of powers. /sarcasm

Yes I do mean that, which is not even the whole scene

But I stand by my thread and still say that Heroes shows their power scenes with more passion and grace the Smallville does.

 

[KalKai]

That is the whole scene, he finishes by tossing the guy around.

I think you ought to choose a better example because that's definitely not the 1.

 

[xXx]

I agree, to a certain extent. Smallville's power shots are beginning to enhance and there are more of them than ever before.

 

[TKing]

I've never watched Smallville for long, but Heroes grabbed me the first time I watched it.

I haven't seen season 2 yet though , I'm hoping it's still as good as the first, if not better

 

[LexCorp]

That is the whole scene, he finishes by tossing the guy around.

I think you ought to choose a better example because that's definitely not the 1.

The Super punch also was not shown...yes there are many more.

Sylar flipping a poilce truck, anytime Claire heals herself, the flight effects are better for Nathan, shapeshifting is cool. You see behind the power too lies more will and meaning from the characters who wield those powers. Makes it more special. Oh and of course Hiros powers are awesome to see.

 

[LexCorp]

This was a great scene IMO. I just think the effects are better.

Spoiler

 

[November Rain]

this conversation if futile, it's apples and oranges

there are plenty of examples of power usage in smallville that cripples heroes and vice versa.

one isn't more consistent than the other and i only say that with smallville being around for longer it should be much better but alas it's not really.

There have been some great smallville special effects though and i haven't really seen anything in heroes so far that betters clark jumping and taking out a nuclear missle and crashing back down to earth or the running special effects they gave bart in run.

saying this, heroes is probably more consistent where smallville has some great effects one week and some crappy ones the next week.

big deal

 

[KalKai]

The Super punch also was not shown...yes there are many more.

Sylar flipping a poilce truck, anytime Claire heals herself, the flight effects are better for Nathan, shapeshifting is cool. You see behind the power too lies more will and meaning from the characters who wield those powers. Makes it more special. Oh and of course Hiros powers are awesome to see.

That's not raising the bar to me. It's been done before & it better ways. I could go back to 2001 when SV aired, now that was raising the bar in displaying the use of powers, any imaginable power.

 

[KalKai]

this conversation if futile, it's sticks and roundabouts

there are plenty of examples of power usage in smallville that cripples heroes and vice versa.

one isn't more consistent than the other and i only say that with smallville being around for longer it should be much better but alas it's not really.

There have been some great smallville special effects though and i haven't really seen anything in heroes so far that betters clark jumping and taking out a nuclear missle and crashing back down to earth or the running special effects they gave bart in run.

saying this, heroes is probably more consistent where smallville has some great effects one weak and some crappy ones the next week.

big deal

I agree with that.

 

[LexCorp]

I would say however that Heroes is more consistent with it's power use too and not just the effects. The story and character development too.

I know Heroes could end up following the path of SV but right now I think the Heroes characters are more grounded.

 

[November Rain]

so were smallville's five seasons ago...

 

[LexCorp]

so were smallville's five seasons ago...

Indeed so a current comparison of the shows would result in Heroes characters in general being more grounded.

I don't think it is unfair to compare each show yet. If SV did not follow the path it did it would not be so clear cut.

 

[04nbod]

smallville does flying better

 

[LexCorp]

smallville does flying better

I do not think it does.

I think the one power that SV may actualy do better with is Super Strength. SV also has more t&a but that is it. SV never grabbed me from the start like Heroes did.

I think SV could have been handled better and Heroes is an example of a superhero show that is being handled very well.

 

[LexCorp]

That's not raising the bar to me. It's been done before & it better ways. I could go back to 2001 when SV aired, now that was raising the bar in displaying the use of powers, any imaginable power.

I still see Buffy as better than SV in terms of effects. IMO

 

[Son of Sun]

These shows are rather different. For one, they aim for different audiences and that casts a big shadow over everything - Heroes is generally for more mature viewers, what with all the brutality and realistic tone of storytelling. Super power sequences embedded into this have to be done extremely well so that they wouldn't stick out and ruin everything, which basically spells out "big bucks". I'm not certain which costs more - more/longer special effects sequences or simply better made ones, but shorter. I think Heroes fall into the latter category - this doesn't however mean that I would consider Smallville's effects in any way substantially poorer - they just most often stick out more as computer generated stuff.

 

[LexCorp]

These shows are rather different. For one, they aim for different audiences and that casts a big shadow over everything - Heroes is generally for more mature viewers, what with all the brutality and realistic tone of storytelling. Super power sequences embedded into this have to be done extremely well so that they wouldn't stick out and ruin everything, which basically spells out "big bucks". I'm not certain which costs more - more/longer special effects sequences or simply better made ones, but shorter. I think Heroes fall into the latter category - this doesn't however mean that I would consider Smallville's effects in any way substantially poorer - they just most often stick out more as computer generated stuff.

I think SV gets much more $$$ than Heroes right now. SV does use a lot of CGI compared to Heroes yes. I feel that cna change the tone of a show a lot.

 

[GNR]

Have to agree.

Smallville follows the same damn routine each episode with the typical running plotlines(Lex up to no good,Clark constantly confused,Lana being stupid,etc).

Each episode of Heroes is unique in structure,it's not the typical "build up,build up,action,ending" type form.Plus there's a whole lot more suspense and mystery on the show since these characters weren't created 60 years ago.

 

[LexCorp]

Have to agree.

Smallville follows the same damn routine each episode with the typical running plotlines(Lex up to no good,Clark constantly confused,Lana being stupid,etc).

Each episode of Heroes is unique in structure,it's not the typical "build up,build up,action,ending" type form.Plus there's a whole lot more suspense and mystery on the show since these characters weren't created 60 years ago.

I aggre with that.

Yes indeed the characters in Heroes are new. I also think that having characters that have been around for 60 years is no excuse either. The SV characters could have been kept fresh and new if they were treated better.

 

[carrrnuttt]

West's flight scene with Claire alone pwns the hell out of Smallville. And I have watched Smallville religiously for all seven seasons.

 

[LexCorp]

West's flight scene with Claire alone pwns the hell out of Smallville. And I have watched Smallville religiously for all seven seasons.

Thank you. I agree with that 100%. I never hate SV but Heroes does pwns.

 

[Superfreak]

I have been reading lots of endless threads about how Smallville takes its sweet time to show Clark with new powers. Like flight for example. I think that a show like Smallville that has had so many poeple with powers has not even tried hard to raise the bar. I think Heroes has taken the lead in this area.

Heroes for me has at least triple the amount of powers on display. All powers are used in a very wide range. Season 2 has Peter back with a great display of his powers. One scene in an Irish pub far out does anything shown on Smallville. Also I feel it has better villains.

So anyway. I just think Heroes > Smallville.

What say you?

Lexcorp, sometimes you piss me off. I know, as anybody with a brain does, that Heroes is better than SV. Of course it is.

But the thread that you are pulling, especially the flying, is absolutely idiotic. If it has to be said, then I'll say it. SV is about young Clark, growing up into superman. Flight, being the defining power that Superman is most recognized for, will obviously be the last power that Clark gets on the show. It's about a show about Clark growing up, and discovering those powers. To give him all the powers right away, would have, and will still kill the show. It's not superman, it's smallville. GET OVER IT.

As for comparing the use of the powers on both shows, it's another ridiculous comparison. If you were going to compare, try comparing Heroes to a show where Superman is in full form (grown up, and actually is superman, not the child that becomes superman). I mean please, the comparison is unfair, as well as invalid. I'm sure a full out superman TV show, would have an equal use of powers, as they are used in Heroes.

Again, I'll reiterate that I still think that Heroes is a better show than SV. But it has nothing to do with the powers. Where Heroes trumps SV, is that they have a staff who know how to write TV shows. SV on the otherhand, has a shed full of idiot writers. Moreover, SV is produced by WB on CW, vs. Heroes being on a more main stream, and most if not all, would argue, more serious television channel.

If you really want to compare the two, make the comparison relevant. I'd say SV sucks (relatively) because of who it is produced by, while Heroes is better, because their production team is far more in touch with what is 'good'.

 

[carrrnuttt]

But the thread that you are pulling, especially the flying, is absolutely idiotic.

Clark aside, Kara and MM's flying are quite bad, with the obvious (and cartoony) graphics + the streaks and all. This is compared to West's, Nathan's, and Peter's flying insofar.

It can't be the studio: WB has produced MANY flying characters over the years.

It can't be the budget: If "Superman: The Movie" can produce such great-looking flights with 70's tech, why can't the SV team now? I mean, I've seen fan films with better flight effects.