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Are racists mentally ill - should they be treated as such?

Racism is slowly fading out
They are a dying breed

I'l actually disagree. As far as the media are concerned I think that, mainly because of RNB and Hip Hop, Black people have become trendy, not equal. Considering how stale the rap and rnb scenes have been getting for years now, theres a big chance therel be a backlash and theyl go out like Flares.
 
I'm not saying we should lock people up for having an opinion, per say. I'm saying, if that opinion is irrational and paranoid, and harmful to themself aswell as others around them (their children for example) maybe they need treatment (not necasserily thrown away).
People who believe in the big imaginary friend, Jesus...and that flying, half-horse/half-scorpions with long, pretty woman hair are going to come out of the center of the Earth and attack us are irrational and paranoid and do grave harm to the children they raise to believe such nonsense.
So do you think religious people need "treatment" as well?[/quote]
 
There is absolutely no call for that. Giving racists counselling sessions and sending racist murdurers to asylums instead of overcrowded prisons where they will just get out and do it again is not extreme in the slightest.

I mean seriously. I think some of you act like that towards me because its cool, instead of realizing I'm making valid points and not saying anything fascistic at all.

Is it fascistic to try and find an alternative to prison?

An alternative would be great, but clearly you have no idea what the mental health system is like. Most people that go into mental institutions come out crazier. Most people in adult psychiatric care are in there because they need to be drugged and restrained to stop them randomly flipping out. In the hospital my key nurse used to work at, they had riot shields and helmets, body armour and tranq guns in the nurses stations. They used them at least once a week.

The mental health services are also more overcrowded than prison, and unlike prison you can't set an in and out date. Treatment works different for everyone, and there is no guarentee it'll work at all. The mind is a far more complex thing than you're making it out to be.

Finally, to put someone in hospital for an illness, or to treat them for an illness, first, it must be classified as such. Sure, the negative connotations of the 'mentally ill' label may scare a few people off of extremism. Google pro anorecxia websites. It doesn't always help. You label one method of thinking as an illness, you can label others as an illness.

Take it from someone who has not only been in psych, but is still trying to shed the 'mentally ill' label I'm still having to carry about.
 
I'l actually disagree. As far as the media are concerned I think that, mainly because of RNB and Hip Hop, Black people have become trendy, not equal. Considering how stale the rap and rnb scenes have been getting for years now, theres a big chance therel be a backlash and theyl go out like Flares.
Wait, So the acceptence of the Black race as equal in the eyes of American whites is based solely on the quality of Hip Hop and R&B :huh:
What? :dry:
Thats rediculous, one of the only things keeping blacks from being equal is economic prosperity, since the white population has kept blacks from higher levels in society for so long, they are now slowly becoming equal in this aspect as well since equal oppertunity has been more or less established. Eventually blacks will fully overcome and be be seen as equals....
 
People who believe in the big imaginary friend, Jesus...and that flying, half-horse/half-scorpions with long, pretty woman hair are going to come out of the center of the Earth and attack us are irrational and paranoid and do grave harm to the children they raise to believe such nonsense.
So do you think religious people need "treatment" as well?
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It all depends really :)

If a parent tells a child repeatidly that adult/child sex is a-ok, and shows that child pictures of adults having sex with kids, but never actually touches the child, what should happen to the adult?

If a parent tells a child repeatidly that black people are ******s and scum and a lower form of life, and shows the child gruesome pictures of lynchings and racist beatings all the while saying "hehe, look at the ******s getting what they deserve", etc, what should happen to the adult?
 
kainedamo said:
It all depends really :)

If a parent tells a child repeatidly that adult/child sex is a-ok, and shows that child pictures of adults having sex with kids, but never actually touches the child, what should happen to the adult?

If a parent tells a child repeatidly that black people are ******s and scum and a lower form of life, and shows the child gruesome pictures of lynchings and racist beatings all the while saying "hehe, look at the ******s getting what they deserve", etc, what should happen to the adult?


Tell me.
 

I think that in both cases, the child should be taken from the parent. In England, social services tried to take an obese child away from a parent. Filling your child's head with poison is a form of abuse.

What do you think should happen? Hope that things just turn out ok?
 
This is something I considered ever since... well, ever since I was firts aware racism existed in the world.

It is something that pops into my mind anytime I hear a racist attempt to debate, or even speak, look at their message boards, or look at their websites.

Racists have qualities of people that are mentally ill! But I don't think racism is considered a mental illness.

Let me cover why I think of it has a mental illness.
Stop you right there. If it was a mental illness than virtually every American suffered it from the early 1700s to the late 1950s/early 1960s. So while some extremely racist people may and do suffer from mental illness and that may even make racism more attractive to them, it by itself is no mental illness. In fact some of our greatest minds in history have been racist.
 
Stop you right there. If it was a mental illness than virtually every American suffered it from the early 1700s to the late 1950s/early 1960s. So while some extremely racist people may and do suffer from mental illness and that may even make racism more attractive to them, it by itself is no mental illness. In fact some of our greatest minds in history have been racist.

You make a good point.
 
Before this thread came up, I'd have said yes straight away. I've always maintained that people that commit any form of sexual assault need heavy therapy.

Now, I'm gonna have to sit and think on it.

You realize 1 in 3 woman are sexually assaulted at least once in there life? And most studies say that number is underestimated since most women don't report it, so do you really want commit that large a portion of men to the mental institution?
 
But is getting a slap on the ass sexual assault?
 
But is getting a slap on the ass sexual assault?

Yes if the woman didn't ask for it, it's degrading, but hey... I'm old fashion and think that women should be treated like people...
 
Yes if the woman didn't ask for it, it's degrading, but hey... I'm old fashion and think that women should be treated like people...

I agree actually. It's why I stopped doing it. I agree that its degrading for the woman. In my defense I meant it as a joke, not as something sexual, and I have done it to guys to. Haven't done it to anyone in a long time though. Except friends of mine, whos asses I slap regularly.
 
I never said that racism was dead, read my posts dip stick. Nor did I say that It never say that the offspring of liberal parents could turn racist.
It just doesn't happen that much. But then again, you think people that dislike illegals are are skeptical of Muslims are racist.
Depends on your perspective. In white suburbia, no it doesn't happen that much. In inner cities, and some very rural country towns people still deal with racism.

Just last week a San Francisco (I believe) Chinese newspaper printed an article titled "Why I hate Black People" written by a Chinese columnist. I imagine the Obama election will be quiet enlightening as well as political ads even today take advantage of the mistrust of non-white government officials ("White hands", "Soft on Crime", and "High School Fro" are all examples of political ads within the last 10 years which used "racism").

It's just quieter now. We've successfully silenced the extreme racist fervor that used to plague television. No longer giving credence or talking points to the extremely racist sentiments of Klan Leaders and "States Rights" Republicans/Dixiecrats.
 
Racism is slowly fading out
They are a dying breed

Racism will never fade out, it constnatly changes but it'll never fade out. Also I hope you people are so narrowminded as to just think that racism refers to just Blacks and Whites. Racism has existed in many forms, racism against italians, irish, and other european immigrants was highly prevalent till the 70-80s. Now we're racist against hispanics and muslims. Racism will never fade away, it'll simply be replaced by some new ethinic group. Also further on the point, now that we have political correctness, people simply hide behind that and claim there nto racist simply because they don't use racial slurs.
 
I agree completely.

Also, another form of bigotry that exists is bigotry between the classes. The rich looking down on the poor. The poor thinking the rich are snobs. That kind of thing. That kind of bigotry can also lead to racism.
 
Product of your environment. If you grow up and around and are raised people that are racist and share those views and values then how do you think you are going to grow up? More than likely racist.

I am not saying that is the only way to become racist or share these values but the majority of the people that are this ignorant are taught to be this way. It is learned, just like being homophobic is learned.

No one is just born racist, people are taught these values and sadly they are still widely taught today all over the world not just in this country.
 
Depends on your perspective. In white suburbia, no it doesn't happen that much. In inner cities, and some very rural country towns people still deal with racism.

Just last week a San Francisco (I believe) Chinese newspaper printed an article titled "Why I hate Black People" written by a Chinese columnist. I imagine the Obama election will be quiet enlightening as well as political ads even today take advantage of the mistrust of non-white government officials ("White hands", "Soft on Crime", and "High School Fro" are all examples of political ads within the last 10 years which used "racism").

It's just quieter now. We've successfully silenced the extreme racist fervor that used to plague television. No longer giving credence or talking points to the extremely racist sentiments of Klan Leaders and "States Rights" Republicans/Dixiecrats.

Huh, funny...I live in the bay area and totally missed that one.

Well like Chris Rock said (I am quoting Chris Rock here, not expressing my views) "I love black people, but I hate *****s."

I would change the word *****s and insert ignorant people or asssholes, because that's what people of any color are that act in such a manner. Which is basically what Chris Rock is talking about. Ignorance and ignorant people that just ruin any type of fun anyone is having and give people of any color a hard time.
 
Racism will never fade out, it constnatly changes but it'll never fade out. Also I hope you people are so narrowminded as to just think that racism refers to just Blacks and Whites. Racism has existed in many forms, racism against italians, irish, and other european immigrants was highly prevalent till the 70-80s. Now we're racist against hispanics and muslims. Racism will never fade away, it'll simply be replaced by some new ethinic group. Also further on the point, now that we have political correctness, people simply hide behind that and claim there nto racist simply because they don't use racial slurs.
actually I was responding to somebody elses post about blacks being accepted do only to music, I am fully aware of other forms of racism, I have been called an Arab by some racist ppl in my school who think Islam = Terrorism, the sad thing is that this is in the New York Metropolitan area, not in some red state where Muslims may seem alien :csad:
 
If you're out somewhere and see a blonde haired, supermodel-esque white chick arm in arm with a big, bald, black dude sporting a goatee and a muscle shirt, and not bat an eye, you're not racist. :o
 
Racism will never fade out, it constnatly changes but it'll never fade out. Also I hope you people are so narrowminded as to just think that racism refers to just Blacks and Whites. Racism has existed in many forms, racism against italians, irish, and other european immigrants was highly prevalent till the 70-80s. Now we're racist against hispanics and muslims. Racism will never fade away, it'll simply be replaced by some new ethinic group. Also further on the point, now that we have political correctness, people simply hide behind that and claim there nto racist simply because they don't use racial slurs.
Not to argue semantics, but "racism" is a *fairly* recent phenomenon. The concept of "race" did not exist until a French man invented it in the 1500s I believe (it could have very well been the 1600s). Race is simply another criteria in that long list of arbitrary criteria humans attempt to group themselves by. And while "racist" sentiments can be found as far back as Jewish persecution (which is probably the first majorly disenfranchised group in history), that is not what racism is. Racism deals strictly with phenotypes; not cultural or ethnic differences. Hispanics and gays for example face something much more close to "ethnicism" than "racism". And they are different. Blacks were seen and categorized directly as sub-human. Jews (and it seems Gays, Hispanics and Muslims), for example, were never really thought of as sub-human. Gays, Jews and Muslims for example, unlike racism, are seen as "evil" by their persecutors or "morally corrupted". This is evident in the fact that they are often the victims of conversion campaignes, or attempts to make them human. Blacks were never really offered the chance to become "human" by racists; not that it would matter either, they'd still be black. It was directly assumed blacks couldn't, by their own steam, get ahead or become properly educated.

So there is a difference between the hatred of groups of people and racism. I imagine racism will "die" (or significantly decrease to the point where it is negilible), however we won't stop hating on each other. That much is certain.

*Interesting enough, since studying Hispanics they have a distinctly novel form or ethnicism/racism since it's not so much directed at the people of hispanic origin but at "illegals". So the notion now, unlike really with any group before, is that this "origin" now comes with the assumption you've committed a crime.
 

Because possessions don't mean squat in the eyes of God.

Jesus said, “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God” (Matthew 19:24. Similar verses are in Mark 10:25 and Luke 18:25).
 

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