Are the Two Witnesses already preaching?

[VanillaLando]

That means you should buy the canned goods and water now!

I don't need no stinking canned goods and water!

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Jeez, what's with all the end of times threads today? You run out of Prozac?

 

[C.F. Kane]

Not wrong, just 'blurry.'

Not blurry, just 'vague'. Prophecies speak in metaphors and paint pictures in broad strokes because only by discussing what they consider "the future" in unscientific and unspecific terms can they get whatever point across that they're trying to make. Speak broadly enough, and your argument can apply to absolutely anything. It's like that guy in middle school who tried to cheat on his book report by saying that "This book was about people, people who did things that mattered. There was a beginning, a middle and an end."

I suppose you suspect all 3000 year old prophecies to come right out and say:

- The Apocalypse will happen in 2012
- The anti-christ will be a half white/half black American named Barrack
Husen Obama
- The FOUR divisions of the military will all be in full force in the middle
east(oh yeah, the four horsemen = army, navy, air force, marines)
- Massive natural disasters will begin in late 2012.

There are FIVE divisions of the American Military: Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines and Coast Guard. Unless your near-sighted prophets, while squinting into the future, saw more than 160,000 troops and mistook them for four men on horseback.

The anti-christ doesn't care if I know who he is, I'm a stupid and ineffectual nobody, REMEMBER!

no comment

I am zero. They probably didn't have decimal points in those times so in relation to them I AM ZERO. There could be millions of people who see Barrack as the anti-christ and if one does not recognize decimal points they would still equate to ZERO.

Who said the anti-christ was a terrorist?

You did, when you stated that the anti-Christ was going to be a Middle Eastern man aiming to destroy the world. You're clearly summoning a familiar bogeyman to connect with your audience.

Hmmmm, sounds like how I am being persecuted for saying Barrack is the anti-christ and that the end times are near.

Being called out on your quasi-racist and paranoid rants does not equal persecution. This is popularly known as the "Help! Help! I'm being repressed!" argument.

It's not a Fairy Tale because there isn't a hero and there isn't a happy ending.

Frankenstein is not a Fairy Tale. Two Gentlemen of Verona is not a Fairy Tale. Dr. Strangelove, Or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb is not a Fairy Tale.

That doesn't make them any less fictional.

Yes they can and no it wouldn't.

I or anyone else could lay an accurate prophecy for 2000 years into the future but one would have to give up pretty much everything else and avoid outside influence, essentially become a monk. I don't want to do that, I like my stuff!

This is partly true. Yes, anyone can make a prophecy for 2000 years into the future. No, they do not have to become a monk to do so. All they need is something to write with, and a talent for vague wording.

And what does a Presidential candidate do? He/She claims to have all the ansewers to all the problems(LIKE A MESSIAH) and he/she woos the public with their flashy campaigns via televison, radio, printed press, and the internet.

Wake up people, you're not as smart as you think. Technology is bouncing you around like pinballs. You are WAY, WAY, WAY in awe of the politician's and their media image.

Actually, it sounds like you're the one who's in awe, comparing popular politicians to mythological figures.

Maybe you're right, I should just follow history and this God person so I can end up decomposing in the dirt like everyone else who did. Yeah, that sounds like fun. I'd rather do that than go against 'God.'

Now you've completely lost me. Are you saying that believing in conspiracy theories grants you immortality?

I want the earth to be blown up, why would I care if this thread ends or not?

This is precisely why modern eschatology bothers me. So many people, yourself included, continue to rave about how we are in the end times based on porous evidence and writings marinating in obfuscation. Yet none of them, despite pretending to know that the end is nigh, do anything to stop it.

 

[VanillaLando]

Not blurry, just 'vague'. Prophecies speak in metaphors and paint pictures in broad strokes because only by discussing what they consider "the future" in unscientific and unspecific terms can they get whatever point across that they're trying to make. Speak broadly enough, and your argument can apply to absolutely anything. It's like that guy in middle school who tried to cheat on his book report by saying that "This book was about people, people who did things that mattered. There was a beginning, a middle and an end."

If future prophecies are what one is seeking, that is what one will find. These people wated to know what tomorrow held so they could be ready for it. With FAR LESS distractions in their time they were able to see further ahead then they wanted.

There are FIVE divisions of the American Military: Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines and Coast Guard. Unless your near-sighted prophets, while squinting into the future, saw more than 160,000 troops and mistook them for four men on horseback.

Yes but the Coast Guard wouldn't be deployed to the Middle East.

You did, when you stated that the anti-Christ was going to be a Middle Eastern man aiming to destroy the world. You're clearly summoning a familiar bogeyman to connect with your audience.

I said of Middle Eastern decent, not a middle eastern man. I am of German decent, yet I don't consider myself a German man.

Granted, Barrack is not of Middle Eastern decent but I didn't know who the hell he was until a year ago and when I first heard his name the first thing that popped in my mind was Osama(Obama) Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein(Husen.) Close enough for me.

Being called out on your quasi-racist and paranoid rants does not equal persecution. This is popularly known as the "Help! Help! I'm being repressed!" argument.

Certain Americans would advocate my lynching for speaking like this.

Frankenstein is not a Fairy Tale. Two Gentlemen of Verona is not a Fairy Tale. Dr. Strangelove, Or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb is not a Fairy Tale.

That doesn't make them any less fictional.

And Frankenstein is close to a reality via cloning and Dr. Strangelove probably isn't too far from some sick reality somewhere.

This is partly true. Yes, anyone can make a prophecy for 2000 years into the future. No, they do not have to become a monk to do so. All they need is something to write with, and a talent for vague wording.

No, that would be a professional writer.

Actually, it sounds like you're the one who's in awe, comparing popular politicians to mythological figures.

If it walks like a duck... Obama is the Anti-Christ.

This is precisely why modern eschatology bothers me. So many people, yourself included, continue to rave about how we are in the end times based on porous evidence and writings marinating in obfuscation. Yet none of them, despite pretending to know that the end is nigh, do anything to stop it.

It cannot be stopped, it's simply a part of the evolutionary cycle of earth.

 

[jaguarr]

I like this reply better.


Shock value.

I would have been more impressed if he'd had the conviction to stick with his initial answer.

jag

 

[Corey]

And what does a Presidential candidate do? He/She claims to have all the ansewers to all the problems(LIKE A MESSIAH) and he/she woos the public with their flashy campaigns via televison, radio, printed press, and the internet.

Obama may be the Antichrist... he may not. The point is: you don't know. I don't Know. No one knows. ONLY God the Father knows.

...If all of what you're saying is indeed a derivative of Daniel and Revelations in the Bible, then the anti-christ would not be a political figure. It says that the aniti-christ is going to come to Earth as the Christ, the savior of the world. Nowhere does it say that he will behave like a messiah.

Saying Obama may in fact be the anti-christ is embarrassingly ignorant.

 

[MattBearPig]

I am an antichrist!

 

[Mee]

I would have been more impressed if he'd had the conviction to stick with his initial answer.

jag

Trolls these days.

 

[Super Kal]

...If all of what you're saying is indeed a derivative of Daniel and Revelations in the Bible, then the anti-christ would not be a political figure. It says that the aniti-christ is going to come to Earth as the Christ, the savior of the world. Nowhere does it say that he will behave like a messiah.

Saying Obama may in fact be the anti-christ is embarrassingly ignorant.

Corey, I said the bottom quote... and what I said is still true: no one knows who it will be or when it will be.

 

[VanillaLando]

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[VanillaLando]

...If all of what you're saying is indeed a derivative of Daniel and Revelations in the Bible, then the anti-christ would not be a political figure. It says that the aniti-christ is going to come to Earth as the Christ, the savior of the world. Nowhere does it say that he will behave like a messiah.

Saying Obama may in fact be the anti-christ is embarrassingly ignorant.

He's not going to claim to be Christ, he's going to be against Christ. Which, if his Muslim ties ever come to the forefront, Barrack may do. Look at what the pastor said about him.

 

[Corey]

Corey, I said the bottom quote... and what I said is still true: no one knows who it will be or when it will be.

How'd that happen? Sorry about that. I apologize.

 

[Super Kal]

sorry, but that's where you're wrong, Lando... the Antichrist WILL proclaim himself as the messiah, and he will be very convincing to people who don't know or don't understand

 

[Super Kal]

How'd that happen? Sorry about that. I apologize.

no worries

 

[VanillaLando]

sorry, but that's where you're wrong, Lando... the Antichrist WILL proclaim himself as the messiah

2012 is still 4 years away.

 

[Corey]

He's not going to claim to be Christ, he's going to be against Christ. Which, if his Muslim ties ever come to the forefront, Barrack may do. Look at what the pastor said about him.

Anti-Christ litterally means, "instead-of-christ". That is the whole point. Where does it say that the anit-christ will be against Jesus?

 

[Super Kal]

the 2012 prophecy is a joke, Lando... don't put importance or time into it

 

[VanillaLando]

Anti-Christ litterally means, "instead-of-christ". That is the whole point. Where does it say that the anit-christ will be against Jesus?

Anti means 'against.'

 

[VanillaLando]

the 2012 prophecy is a joke, Lando... don't put importance or time into it

My silly boy, dont you know...

Everything is a joke.

 

[Corey]

Anti means 'against.'

In the original text that Revelations was written in, (Greek) it says "instead". The Greek word for anti is instead.

 

[VanillaLando]

the 2012 prophecy is a joke, Lando... don't put importance or time into it

Hmmmmm, perhaps I should invest my time in something meaningful, like athletics.

In the original text that Revelations was written in, (Greek) it says "instead". The Greek word for anti is instead.

Since that language is not my native tongue it will not have the same effect. To most people who are raised in my dialect the anti-christ will appear as against-christ. The point is, he's not a good person.

 

[Super Kal]

just because it's not your native tongue, doesn't mean it's false.

 

[Corey]

Since that language is not my native tongue it will not have the same effect. To most people who are raised in my dialect the anti-christ will appear as against-christ. The point is, he's not a good person.

Even so, the entire agglutination of all the verses, is that Satan tries to deceive the world by coming to Earth under the guise of Jesus--acting exactly as Jesus would. The Greek derivative of "anti" is only a microcosm of a much larger main idea that is presented clearly throughout the book of Revelations, and you need not know that detail to understand the summation of the beginning of Revelations. Which verses, exactly, lead you to believe otherwise?

 

[jaguarr]

Since that language is not my native tongue it will not have the same effect. To most people who are raised in my dialect the anti-christ will appear as against-christ. The point is, he's not a good person.

You've spent an awful lot of time arguing your case that the prophecies you're espousing were constructed in a different time and therefore could mean something different from how we would probably read or interpret it but all of a sudden the prophecies now must mean what the translation in your native tongue probably indicates rather than what the original authors probably intended given the language at the time? Which is it? You can't have it both ways.

jag

 

[VanillaLando]

Even so, the entire agglutination of all the verses, is that Satan tries to deceive the world by coming to Earth under the guise of Jesus--acting exactly as Jesus would. The Greek derivative of "anti" is only a microcosm of a much larger main idea that is presented clearly throughout the book of Revelations, and you need not know that detail to understand the summation of the beginning of Revelations. Which verses, exactly, lead you to believe otherwise?

I'm not a bible thumper so I don't quote verses. We can argue back and forth all we want about what 'anti' means, the fact is that the Anti-Christ is in direct opposition of Christ and what he stands for. Whether he will claim to be the messiah or simply come out as against-christ is irrelevant. By the time it get's ti that point it won't much matter. All we need to know is that Barrack Obama is a solid candidate for the Anti-Christ and what he will do to gain that title is yet to be determined.