The Amazing Spider-Man Are they going to force the romance plot down our throats...again?

[Golgo-13]

I like the Raimi films, but the "MJ i can't live without you sub plot" was nausea inducing. With Gwen now in the picture,will it be more of the same?

Your thoughts....

 

[Oscorp]

Are you concerned about that because Gwen is in this movie?

I would rather be worried if neither MJ nor Gwen were included.

We know so little about the story in this film that there's not really much to speculate about.

EDIT: I meant that I would be worried if none of the leading girls were included, such as MJ or Gwen. Not that I need them both in this movie, if that was unclear :P

 

[SuperFerret]

Like it or not, Spider-Man is about his relationships with the women in his life and if that aspect of the character isn't included, the costume is the least of this film's worries.

 

[The Morningstar]

Yea Spider-Man without any romance melodrama isn't really Spider-Man.

But, I hope it isn't as corny and schmaltzy as it was in the last movies.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Lots of the comics don't have the romance stuff, so no worry if it wasn't that important here
One thing I expect not to happen is "Like every story worth telling, this one is about a girl"

 

[Oscorp]

I hope Gwen doesn't turn out to be the ***** MJ was in the previous trilogy. Which I don't think she will. I think Sony and Webb are aware of that many people disliked MJ and her annoying character in the past movies and have probably learned a lesson or two. But still, it's hard to speculate on that since we know almost nothing about that yet.

Oh and btw, I think some of you misunderstood Golgo-13. He means that he doesn't want it to be "all about one girl" like in Raimi's films. Because Spider-Man certainly isn't "all about one girl" even though it is a big part of his life.

 

[Ultra Ham]

It shouldn't be "all about a girl", but a little romance is needed
If the character of Gwen is done right, I will have no problem with it.

 

[SuperFerret]

Yeah, umm... you guys ever hear of this?

The Raimi movies weren't "all about a girl" either. Parker just says that because he's narrating it from his perspective, and as a high school kid in love with the girl next door, he feels that she's the center of his life. It's a simple fact of infatuation.

 

[Oscorp]

Sure but imo, MJ took too much space. But I might think so only because I hated her character.

 

[SuperFerret]

As primary love interest, her screen time is understandable. People are just being pissy because they didn't like her.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Like it or not, romance will have a huge part in this. I'm not saying it'll necessarily be about one girl though.

 

[Vid Electricz]

As primary love interest, her screen time is understandable. People are just being pissy because they didn't like her.

Exactly.Troy Parker is right on the money as well. The thing that separates Spider-Man from all the zillion other superheroes is that his personal life as Peter Parker is equally, if not more interesting than his adventures as Spider-Man. That's how it was when he was created and that's how it always should be.

Most fanboys are so literal minded that they want only to see bright colored costumed figures striking iconic poses and super-villain battles replicated from comic to page. Worthless.

 

[PSYLENTGuardian]

I would think Marc Webb would nail the chemistry between Gwen and Peter, given he made a whole movie about romance.

 

[The Joker]

Hopefully not. One of my main criticisms about the Raimi movies was how MJ seemed to be the focal point of Peter's world. Even his origin was wrapped up in her. He was engaged in photographing her when he was bitten by the spider. He only went to make some money at the Wrestling arena so he could get a car to impress MJ etc.

 

[Panthro]

Exactly.Troy Parker is right on the money as well. The thing that separates Spider-Man from all the zillion other superheroes is that his personal life as Peter Parker is equally, if not more interesting than his adventures as Spider-Man. That's how it was when he was created and that's how it always should be.

Most fanboys are so literal minded that they want only to see bright colored costumed figures striking iconic poses and super-villain battles replicated from comic to page. Worthless.

In the bold: also depends on how interesting the lady or ladies in his personal life are. Some, like MJ & Black Cat, were fun to read about. The new gal, Carlie Cooper, however, is just bland.

Hopefully Webb will conjure a credible romance between Pete & Gwen.

 

[Spider-Dude23]

Marc Webb will nail the romance, have you actually seen 500 days of summer? It's amazing. On the other hand, raimi, is a horror director, doesn't know much about romance IMO, which is why he screwed it up in the trilogy.

 

[Vid Electricz]

In the bold: also depends on how interesting the lady or ladies in his personal life are. Some, like MJ & Black Cat, were fun to read about. The new gal, Carlie Cooper, however, is just bland.

Hopefully Webb will conjure a credible romance between Pete & Gwen.

I agree. It's absolutely necessary to have an interesting mix of secondary characters for the Primary character to interact with. I haven't/don't/will not read the current Spidey comics seeing as they are a complete joke.

I'm actually really excited for what Webb has in store here for these characters. I'm probably one of the very few who is more interested in the interpersonal relationships than the action (which is always nice when done well, don't get me wrong).

I can appreciate Raimi's story for what it was, but I really hope Webb can see what has already been accomplished and improve on it. I hope he pulls a bit from his previous film (500 days of Summer) to really make us believe that these are "real" people we're watching. Sure, Peter loved MJ in the movie, but we're never shown why really. We're never shown where they really connect as people. They just love each other and have to be together and that's that (same as every other superhero movie and romantic comedy). I want to see exactly why Peter is attracted to Gwen and vice versa, not just melodrama, but actual drama. That will really make or break this reboot in my mind.

 

[Alex The Great]

In before Raimi bashing

 

[Galactus123]

I don't have no problem with it. Only problem with Raimi's trilogy was that there was always some kind of problems between Peter and MJ. Why they couldn't have been happy together in one movie at least.

 

[The Morningstar]

My problem with it was that after the first movie, I just couldn't understand what Parker saw in MJ. She was such a terribly written character. She was self absorbed, *****y, had no beef about cheating on people. In the third movie especially I was just like... seriously? You want to be with that *****?

 

[NinjaCarm]

The problem is execution, Raimi, IMO flooded us with sappy, soapy, cheesy execution.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

My problem with it was that after the first movie, I just couldn't understand what Parker saw in MJ. She was such a terribly written character. She was self absorbed, *****y, had no beef about cheating on people. In the third movie especially I was just like... seriously? You want to be with that *****?

Yeah, the more I watch the movies the more I hate MJ in that series, especially in SM2
"You didn't come to my play as you promised, I hate you Peter. JERK"
Running away in her bride's gown after discovering Peter Parker = Spider-Man "F*** Jameson, I want to be with you Peter"

 

[Ajendo]

The problem is execution, Raimi, IMO flooded us with sappy, soapy, cheesy execution.

BIN effing GO!

See, look at 500 days summer. Granted, it's not a superhero flick but the angst and the dilemma's being faced by the central characters were so masterfully conveyed and executed that one can't help admire, respect and find the movie worthy of watching. Imagine if 500 days of summer where Deshannel and Gordo are replaced by Dunst and Maguire as characteristically portrayed in the spidey films, 500 days of summer would be a crappy, bullet to the brain-inducing snoozefest.

That being said, I hope Gwen's character isn't overbearingly forced and used to serve as the main catalyst for every aspect and decision Peter makes in his life. Secondly, I want to give a damn about the characters. One of the problems I had with Raimi's mediocre movies were that, I just didn't give a bag of rat's piss about the central characters because everything just seemed so pathetic and artificial. The dialogue was horrendous, I mean, it's one thing to have bad dialogue but the dialogue was just atrocious and no attempt to save it by trying to execute a decent delivery of the lines were made (I'm talking about Peter and MJ here). Maguire looked like he was half asleep and crying at the same time for the majority of all 3 movies, Dunst just made me want to punch her lights out. MJ is supposed to get me hot under the collar and get me sexually aroused but something about Dunst in terms of her looks and ESPECIALLY the abomination that was her character portrayal just arouses violence and frustration within me. I cant stand her. I wanted her taken out by a painfully slow death. I didn't care how or by whom, I just wanted it done.

Now, I blame Raimi! You people can sing your songs of praise and come to his defence about how he didn't write the script and all that appeasing bullcrap but the fact of the matter remains is that he is the freaking director! Do your job. That being said, maybe he did his job extremely well, that depends on how in touch with society as a whole and the social dynamic of young people he's in tune with and I am of the belief that Raimi is quite simply out of touch with the way young people behave and interact, which is why his spidey films felt so off key to me. However, at the time, when you have about 4 decades worth of material at your disposal, I think it's quite an accomplishment to fail at conveying a realistic sense of social interaction and instead focus on the rather dated cliche angle of the relationship between a geek and the hot girl at school. I mean for crying out loud, I've seen better handling of this sort of situation on tv shows that predate spider-man 2002 and besides that, we have ample of material in the form of various medias that serve as a passage to get the characters right.

I don't know if Webb will do a better or worse job than Raimi but one thing we all know is, this film gives us the chance to potentially see something different and hopefully something better.
If the romance is handled really well and is something engaging and exciting and worthy of investing attention as an onlooker then to be honest, I wouldn't mind the romance playing a proportionately equal role to Raimi's but as mentioned, it has to be worth a damn and be that freaking good otherwise Webb can go sling his hook somewhere. For too long the spidey movies have bathed in rivers of mediocrity and now it's time to dry that crap off, baptize itself into a sea of heaven's nectar and emerge as something simply, amazing.

 

[Ajendo]

Yeah, the more I watch the movies the more I hate MJ in that series, especially in SM2
"You didn't come to my play as you promised, I hate you Peter. JERK"
Running away in her bride's gown after discovering Peter Parker = Spider-Man "F*** Jameson, I want to be with you Peter"

And that brings me to another point. What the hell did Peter see in MJ anyway? I mean lets face it, she's proven herself to be blatantly unreliable, untrustworthy and all in all, a rather selfish gf.

Mj was the first girl he fancied when he was 6? So who cares? She never gave a crap about him growing up, hell she never even really acknowledged his existence.

Mj at the time behaves like any other normal, decent human being and shows kindness to Peter when he really needed it? This is not an invitation to hook up and start playing bedroom bullies, Peter.

Mj mistakes having a crush on the new mysterious concrete jungle swinger in town and wastes no time in trying to suck his face off.

There's just way too many discrepancies in her character to make her desirable other than just to use and abuse her for one night and be done with her ala the way norman suggested to harry.

Now this makes Peter's emotional investment in her all the more alarming and bizarre. I think the movies did a horrible job in convincing the audience why someone like Peter could be so in love with a cow like MJ, which is strange because the romance DOMINATED the screen time in all 3 movies unless the plan was to have Peter really come off as the ultimate loser and a massive cabrone at that.

 

[NinjaCarm]

BIN effing GO!

See, look at 500 days summer. Granted, it's not a superhero flick but the angst and the dilemma's being faced by the central characters were so masterfully conveyed and executed that one can't help admire, respect and find the movie worthy of watching. Imagine if 500 days of summer where Deshannel and Gordo are replaced by Dunst and Maguire as characteristically portrayed in the spidey films, 500 days of summer would be a crappy, bullet to the brain-inducing snoozefest.

That being said, I hope Gwen's character isn't overbearingly forced and used to serve as the main catalyst for every aspect and decision Peter makes in his life. Secondly, I want to give a damn about the characters. One of the problems I had with Raimi's mediocre movies were that, I just didn't give a bag of rat's piss about the central characters because everything just seemed so pathetic and artificial. The dialogue was horrendous, I mean, it's one thing to have bad dialogue but the dialogue was just atrocious and no attempt to save it by trying to execute a decent delivery of the lines were made (I'm talking about Peter and MJ here). Maguire looked like he was half asleep and crying at the same time for the majority of all 3 movies, Dunst just made me want to punch her lights out. MJ is supposed to get me hot under the collar and get me sexually aroused but something about Dunst in terms of her looks and ESPECIALLY the abomination that was her character portrayal just arouses violence and frustration within me. I cant stand her. I wanted her taken out by a painfully slow death. I didn't care how or by whom, I just wanted it done.

Now, I blame Raimi! You people can sing your songs of praise and come to his defence about how he didn't write the script and all that appeasing bullcrap but the fact of the matter remains is that he is the freaking director! Do your job. That being said, maybe he did his job extremely well, that depends on how in touch with society as a whole and the social dynamic of young people he's in tune with and I am of the belief that Raimi is quite simply out of touch with the way young people behave and interact, which is why his spidey films felt so off key to me. However, at the time, when you have about 4 decades worth of material at your disposal, I think it's quite an accomplishment to fail at conveying a realistic sense of social interaction and instead focus on the rather dated cliche angle of the relationship between a geek and the hot girl at school. I mean for crying out loud, I've seen better handling of this sort of situation on tv shows that predate spider-man 2002 and besides that, we have ample of material in the form of various medias that serve as a passage to get the characters right.

I don't know if Webb will do a better or worse job than Raimi but one thing we all know is, this film gives us the chance to potentially see something different and hopefully something better.
If the romance is handled really well and is something engaging and exciting and worthy of investing attention as an onlooker then to be honest, I wouldn't mind the romance playing a proportionately equal role to Raimi's but as mentioned, it has to be worth a damn and be that freaking good otherwise Webb can go sling his hook somewhere. For too long the spidey movies have bathed in rivers of mediocrity and now it's time to dry that crap off, baptize itself into a sea of heaven's nectar and emerge as something simply, amazing.

Bravo, bravo, bravo. Well said. Dead on. 'Nuff said.