The Amazing Spider-Man Are they going to force the romance plot down our throats...again?

Funny, I do not see it as "Raimi bashing". I see it as NOT wanting the same heavy handed, childish, immature, unrealistic romantic WB Gilmore Girls crap we got in the first 3 movies. *which just happened to be directed by the "R" Man* :woot: LOL

Seriously, it simply asking (as the thread title says), "Are they going to force (read heavy handed, immature, forced cliche diaglogue crap, etc.) the romance plot down our throats".... AGAIN?

And I think as others have pointed out, based solely on Webb's track record with solid character development, and with the promise of more serious storylines (NOT the ALL about ONE damn girl.. and puppy immature she loves me she loves me not.. CRYING CRAP*)... It certainly would not seem.. so.

AND... I think the better selection of storylines that appears to be forthcoming (i.e. death of Capt Stacy, and Gwen blaming Spider-Man)... that bodes well in this case too. :up:

Eh, he directed one film. I'm not going to say the romance will work better in this film than the Raimi films just based on his one prior film. It might be better, but I'm not convinced yet it will be.
 
Peter did move to Harry's apartment, he had his own room that Norman Osborne thought was messy, and Aunt May visited for Thanksgiving.

Incoming Raimi rant:
Raimi's Peter was strange; dancing in the street, still being bullied in college, the constant crying etc. Peter's personality and confidence should increase because of the time spend being Spider-man. This happened in other media e.g comics, animated series, but why not the films. But the problem was Raimi's Spidey had no personality, only yahooing while webslinging and
screaming.
Dancing in the streed? He did it only in Spider-Man 3 when he was under the influence of symbiote. Symbiote made him arrogant. That is why he danced in the street. And Spidey had a personality but it wasn't exactly like in comics.
 
That symbiote really brings the Fred Astaire out of a MoFo.
 
There could have shown his growing arrogance in a better way that having him dancing down the street like a prat though.

I'd have liked to have seen some scenes where Spidey was going ape **** on some petty criminals. Beating them within an inch of their lives. Then perhaps show the reactions in the citizens to this new, more unhinged Spider-Man.

But no, stupid dance routines!
 
I'd have liked to have seen some scenes where Spidey was going ape **** on some petty criminals. Beating them within an inch of their lives. Then perhaps show the reactions in the citizens to this new, more unhinged Spider-Man.
This is exactly what I wanted to see, it would have been great to see on film.
 
Eh, he directed one film. I'm not going to say the romance will work better in this film than the Raimi films just based on his one prior film. It might be better, but I'm not convinced yet it will be.
So all it has to be is a little bit better than horrible, lol. :cwink:

Seriously, my main hate for the romance was the dialogue, the script and the acting combination just killed it for me. Their conversations was like no other human beings on Earth. The hospital scene and MJ's long-winded love speech at Uncle Ben's funeral. A Spider-Man movie wouldn't function well without romance, it needs to be there, but that doesn't mean it has to be badly written and delivered throughout all three films.

I hope that they do a better job this time around.
 
BIN effing GO!

See, look at 500 days summer. Granted, it's not a superhero flick but the angst and the dilemma's being faced by the central characters were so masterfully conveyed and executed that one can't help admire, respect and find the movie worthy of watching. Imagine if 500 days of summer where Deshannel and Gordo are replaced by Dunst and Maguire as characteristically portrayed in the spidey films, 500 days of summer would be a crappy, bullet to the brain-inducing snoozefest.

That being said, I hope Gwen's character isn't overbearingly forced and used to serve as the main catalyst for every aspect and decision Peter makes in his life. Secondly, I want to give a damn about the characters. One of the problems I had with Raimi's mediocre movies were that, I just didn't give a bag of rat's piss about the central characters because everything just seemed so pathetic and artificial. The dialogue was horrendous, I mean, it's one thing to have bad dialogue but the dialogue was just atrocious and no attempt to save it by trying to execute a decent delivery of the lines were made (I'm talking about Peter and MJ here). Maguire looked like he was half asleep and crying at the same time for the majority of all 3 movies, Dunst just made me want to punch her lights out. MJ is supposed to get me hot under the collar and get me sexually aroused but something about Dunst in terms of her looks and ESPECIALLY the abomination that was her character portrayal just arouses violence and frustration within me. I cant stand her. I wanted her taken out by a painfully slow death. I didn't care how or by whom, I just wanted it done.

Now, I blame Raimi! You people can sing your songs of praise and come to his defence about how he didn't write the script and all that appeasing bullcrap but the fact of the matter remains is that he is the freaking director! Do your job. That being said, maybe he did his job extremely well, that depends on how in touch with society as a whole and the social dynamic of young people he's in tune with and I am of the belief that Raimi is quite simply out of touch with the way young people behave and interact, which is why his spidey films felt so off key to me. However, at the time, when you have about 4 decades worth of material at your disposal, I think it's quite an accomplishment to fail at conveying a realistic sense of social interaction and instead focus on the rather dated cliche angle of the relationship between a geek and the hot girl at school. I mean for crying out loud, I've seen better handling of this sort of situation on tv shows that predate spider-man 2002 and besides that, we have ample of material in the form of various medias that serve as a passage to get the characters right.

I don't know if Webb will do a better or worse job than Raimi but one thing we all know is, this film gives us the chance to potentially see something different and hopefully something better.
If the romance is handled really well and is something engaging and exciting and worthy of investing attention as an onlooker then to be honest, I wouldn't mind the romance playing a proportionately equal role to Raimi's but as mentioned, it has to be worth a damn and be that freaking good otherwise Webb can go sling his hook somewhere. For too long the spidey movies have bathed in rivers of mediocrity and now it's time to dry that crap off, baptize itself into a sea of heaven's nectar and emerge as something simply, amazing.

Great post! I agree with what you said.
 
Dancing in the streed? He did it only in Spider-Man 3 when he was under the influence of symbiote. Symbiote made him arrogant. That is why he danced in the street. And Spidey had a personality but it wasn't exactly like in comics.

During the festival in the park, when the city was honouring Spider-man in the third film. When the band was passing by, Pete was marching to the beat.

The only time Spidey had a personality was when his mask was off. I don't remember Spidey having a proper conversation with anyone with his mask on. Yeah, the first film might have hard Spidey talking with MJ in the alley, but all Spidey did was say a line or two during most of his scenes in the films. I hope Pete keeps his mask on in the new film, not just remove it so he could have a chat. Batman doesn't remove his cowl just to talk to the Joker or anyone like Raimi's Spidey did.

Bryce Dallas Howard was a good Gwen. If only she was introduced at the start of the second film, and started to date Peter. I wondered what was the point of adding Gwen so late in the films, even though Peter was already committed to MJ. The writers wrote themselves into a hole by having Peter and MJ together, they possibly thought bringing Gwen and using Harry would bring some tension to Pete's and MJ's relationship. But having Peter cheat wouldn't fit with audiences, so Raimi used Harry to flirt with MJ, and as usual, MJ fell for it.

Thank god that Mark Webb is directing, hopefully the Peter and Gwen relationship is mature and interesting. If MJ appears, it should be at a good point and not as a after thought like Gwen in SM3.
 
Yes this movie will be largely about romance. Spider-Man contains romance. It's part of his story.
 
Lets look at all the messed up relationship stuff in these movies.

Peter fancies MJ...She keeps getting nabbed by other people. He doesn't move on.

MJ is a **** who cant decide who she wants to sleep with...Peter, Spider-Man, Harry, Flash, John, Snuffy, Al, Leo, Little Mo with the gimpy leg, Cheeks, Bony Bob, Cliff...I could go on forever, baby.

The way he tries telling her loves her....WTF with all the cony speeches? I tried using it on a girl once and I got laughed at. Little less Shakespeare on drugs,and more hardcore stuff.

500 Day Of Summer at least gives me some comfort of what Webb will do in someway with the romance.
 
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MJ is a **** who cant decide who she wants to sleep with...Peter, Spider-Man, Harry, Flash, John, Snuffy, Al, Leo, Little Mo with the gimpy leg, Cheeks, Bony Bob, Cliff...I could go on forever, baby.

:lmao:
 
As opposed to the whole one girl thing in the Raimi movies, I think it's going to get really interesting when MJ's introduced, and Gwen dies... all the conflicting emotions... AAAAAWWW YEAA.
 
MJ is a **** who cant decide who she wants to sleep with...Peter, Spider-Man, Harry, Flash, John, Snuffy, Al, Leo, Little Mo with the gimpy leg, Cheeks, Bony Bob, Cliff...I could go on forever, baby.

Haha it's funny how you put it, but totally true of course.

I've seen (500) Days Of Summer yesterday btw, damn good movie. It was hard to decide whether to watch it or not as usually I don't like these type of movies, but boy, was I surprised!;)

I think Webb will handle it just well in the SM movie.
 
I hope Gwen doesn't turn out to be the ***** MJ was in the previous trilogy. Which I don't think she will. I think Sony and Webb are aware of that many people disliked MJ and her annoying character in the past movies and have probably learned a lesson or two. But still, it's hard to speculate on that since we know almost nothing about that yet.
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
Probably only fans of the comics, the rest of us actually liked her, she wasn't really that annoying, people confuse a normal person with an imaginary one they wished for.
 
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
Probably only fans of the comics, the rest of us actually liked her, she wasn't really that annoying, people confuse a normal person with an imaginary one they wished for.

I think it was only the 3rd one where she kinda turned into a jealous cow... but even then, that was understandable, considering there was another girl eyeing her guy. Tbh, I liked Peter & MJ in Raimi's movies... it's just the almost mute Spider-Man I wasn't too fond of.
 
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
Probably only fans of the comics, the rest of us actually liked her, she wasn't really that annoying, fanboys confuse a normal person with an imaginary one they wished for.

Perfectly said! I had to adjust your post a bit. Fanboys, an ignorant and literal minded lot.
 
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
Probably only fans of the comics, the rest of us actually liked her, she wasn't really that annoying, people confuse a normal person with an imaginary one they wished for.

She was about to cheat on her fiancé asking Peter to kiss her in the cafe in SM2. She went almost went through with her wedding even though she liked Peter. A woman who is engaged and almost willing to marry a guy, even though she loves someone else and she could have broken off the engagement earlier? What was so amazing about Raimi's MJ anyway? She didn't seem sympathic to Peter at all in the two sequels.
 
I dunno, I liked Peter and MJ's relationship for the most part. For me in SM1 I felt there was real chemistry there and really wanted them to get togther.

I think MJ's getting with a load of guys was just because we follow Peter, so she seems more unattainable when she's dating someone else.

I don't blame her for getting with John at-all, since Peter stated to her he had no interest in getting with her after the first movie, then that would have lasted 2 years.

The problem I had was MJ was so often seen as some kind of object rather than a person. But then, I think the character of MJ has always been objectified and true, she might not have that deep of a personality in the comics, she still HAS one and they can still make her likeable if/when they bring her in the reboot.

That said, they HAVE to make both Gwen and MJ likeable if we're gonna spend alot of time focused on Peter's relationships with them.
 
Eh, he directed one film. I'm not going to say the romance will work better in this film than the Raimi films just based on his one prior film. It might be better, but I'm not convinced yet it will be.

That's fine, I'll say it will work better than what we've seen in Raimi's films.

There, I said it.

I'm with KAW, some of the worst dialogue / awkward acting situations I've seen in film.

I'm soooo sick of the argument "Well it had romance, well it had this, that..."

Someone could throw all the ingredients of a dish in the plate, it all comes down to how those ingredients are made, and then presented, and then how it tastes. It's not the ingredients you boneheads - a general statement to all bad arguers out there who use the "Well it had romance, well it had this, that..." argument.

Sure they did. Just poooooooorely executed. Like a bad dish of pasta.

Period.

I don't want some cheap dollar store ravioli this time. I want an amazing plate of ravioli with all the extras. (I can't wait for the go to Olive Garden responses on this one.)
 
That's fine, I'll say it will work better than what we've seen in Raimi's films.

There, I said it.

I'm with KAW, some of the worst dialogue / awkward acting situations I've seen in film.

I'm soooo sick of the argument "Well it had romance, well it had this, that..."

Someone could throw all the ingredients of a dish in the plate, it all comes down to how those ingredients are made, and then presented, and then how it tastes. It's not the ingredients you boneheads - a general statement to all bad arguers out there who use the "Well it had romance, well it had this, that..." argument.

Sure they did. Just poooooooorely executed. Like a bad dish of pasta.

Period.

I don't want some cheap dollar store ravioli this time. I want an amazing plate of ravioli with all the extras. (I can't wait for the go to Olive Garden responses on this one.)

Once again, different strokes for different folks, but I see nothing from this production that convinces me it will be any better than the Raimi films. Are Raimi's films flawless? No (though SM2 I love on many levels) and yes, it is possible the reboot will be better. I just see no evidence indicating that it is somehow better written etc. Especially based on the fact this guy made 1 film before this. That doesn't mean he can't do it, but his 1 film doesn't make me think he is the next best thing to happen to Spider-Man.
 
You're not going to see that until you see the film itself. But at least were not 100% sure he can't do romance, like with Raimi, Peter and MJ relationship was dreadfully painful to watch on film.
 
©KAW;20290815 said:
You're not going to see that until you see the film itself. But at least were not 100% sure he can't do romance, like with Raimi, Peter and MJ relationship was dreadfully painful to watch on film.
It sucks, plain & simple, and I'm a pro Raimi Spider-Man
 
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
Probably only fans of the comics, the rest of us actually liked her, she wasn't really that annoying, people confuse a normal person with an imaginary one they wished for.

Perfectly said! I had to adjust your post a bit. Fanboys, an ignorant and literal minded lot.

No, if she existed in real life she'd be a worthless ***** too. She jumps from man to man, doesn't give a crap about anyone but herself.

I mean, i've heard of flawed characters... but there is pretty much no redeeming qualities about her.

Apart from the first movie, she was ok then.
 
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
Probably only fans of the comics, the rest of us actually liked her, she wasn't really that annoying, people confuse a normal person with an imaginary one they wished for.
You didn't understood Oscorp's post at all. What you say here makes no sense.

Tell me what kind of normal person is a total b***h like the MJ character from Raimi's movies who jumps from one guy to the other? What kind of normal person never knows what she really wants, but always whines? And what kind of normal person becomes jealous when their loved one gets cheered and applaused like she did in Spider-Man 3?

No, we don't want the damn comic version to be transfered in the movie and be exactly, but have the movie MJ character somewhat similar to the comic version, since after all, that's what the movie character is based on! Let her be supportive to Peter and not whine all the damn time.
 

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