Wolfwood said:How many cases have there been of Minutemen shooting people?
KingOfDreams said:I don't support them. What they do is unchecked vigilantism with racist over/undertones.
Venom Drool said:the guy from freedom force?
bored said:And here I thought you meant the punk band.
I was excited to vote for the band.bored said:And here I thought you meant the punk band.
Give me a break. These guys are NOT vigilantes. They're not even armed for Christ's sake
True enough. Unfortunately, if we don't like the laws, we have to go through channels. I can't just do something outside of the jurisdiction because I don't agree with it. A cop doing something I feel is wrong, I can't go over and beat the **** out of him. That's writing my death warrant.Alpha and Omega said:Every one I've seen has had some type of weapon on them at the time. Actually, multiple ones.
I don't know, but if you threaten to take the law into your own hands when you feel that the gov't is inadequate, that sounds like vigilantism to me.
Alpha and Omega said:Every one I've seen has had some type of weapon on them at the time. Actually, multiple ones.
I don't know, but if you threaten to take the law into your own hands when you feel that the gov't is inadequate, that sounds like vigilantism to me.
Unarmed people who make phone calls are one thing.lazur said:If they were armed, then they weren't a part of the legitimate "minuteman" organization. Those are UNARMED volunteers who simply CALL the border patrol by phone when they spot illegals.
And they operate WITHIN the confines of the law.
True, but hypothetically speaking, if some militants were killing illegals or entertaining the thought, how would you, I, or anyone else know?If they didn't, they'd be arrested and put in jail.
lazur said:Give me a break. These guys are NOT vigilantes. They're not even armed for Christ's sake.
They sit on THEIR OWN property, or on GOVERNMENT property, or on property they have PERMISSION to be on, and simply CALL the border patrol when they spot illegals crossing the border.
You people are insane. On the one hand, you want secure borders, but on the other you don't, even when our own citizens VOLUNTEER (thus saving all of us tax dollars) to assist in a NON VIOLENT way.
lazur said:If they were armed, then they weren't a part of the legitimate "minuteman" organization. Those are UNARMED volunteers who simply CALL the border patrol by phone when they spot illegals.
And they operate WITHIN the confines of the law. If they didn't, they'd be arrested and put in jail.
I feel sorry for what they're doing to his property, but I don't think that killing people would solve anything.Most days, Roger Barnett commutes from his home outside Douglas to his towing and propane companies in downtown Sierra Vista, a city between Tombstone and Douglas that is home to a large community of military retirees. In his spare time, Barnett likes to graze cattle on his 22,000-acre property just outside Douglas. He owns 7,000 acres of his land but the rest is leased from the state, a spread that puts his official rancher credentials about on par with those of President Bush and Robert Redford. With a ruddy face, husky physique, Wrangler jeans and a gravelly voice, he at least looks the part.
Almost immediately after Operation Gatekeeper started in 1995, Barnett says, he began to notice an explosion of migrants crossing his land on their way up from Mexico. The migrants left piles of trash and human excrement, he says; they frightened wildlife and cut fences on his cattle pens. In 1996, he says, he became fed up and started placing them under citizen's arrest and turning them over to Border Patrol agents. On March 10, 1999, while the problem festered, Barnett and 20 fellow landowners signed a proclamation of revolt: "If the government refuses to provide security, then the only recourse is to provide it ourselves." Barnett's bold statement grabbed the media's attention. By 2000, he had been featured on ABC's World News Tonight, in the New York Times and elsewhere.
"I'm prepared to take a life if I have to," he told USA Today.
Now 61, Barnett says he says that in the past two years, he has turned almost 5,000 migrants over to Border Patrol agents. "It needs to be done," he rumbles. "They [the Mexicans] are gonna take over our country ... Do you remember what the Iraqis did with our pilots in Desert Storm? They took them hostage. It's the same deal here."
Kable24 said:I'm all for the Minutemen.
Fred_Fury said:I'm pro-minuteman. Theyre making politicians focus more on the borders. and I like vigilantism, thats why I read comics.
Mr Sparkle said:no, seriously......LOL
Fred_Fury said:http://www.voanews.com/english/2006-10-04-voa60.cfm
Bush Authorizes Fence for US-Mexico BorderBy Paula Wolfson
White House
04 October 2006
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U.S. President George Bush has signed legislation that provides roughly $1.2 billion for fencing and other enhanced security measures along the border with Mexico.
Nuff said.