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How many cases have there been of Minutemen shooting people?
 
Wolfwood said:
How many cases have there been of Minutemen shooting people?

I'm not exactly sure, but Brian Williams had an interesting segment on the 'Minutemen' a few months ago, and one of the things that some of the 'guests' (Party affiliates who were interviewed) mentioned was the imminent reality of a body count.

These guys were armed with rifles, side-arms, and some had semi-automatics; most felt that Bush wasn't trying, so they were going to take the law into their own hands. [I guess the law's only a guideline until it's inconvenient.] From their expressions alone, they didn't look like they'd lose any sleep over collecting a body count.

One of Williams questions dealt with the paralleling of immigration during the early years of this country, and the current situation. I was a little surprised at how direct he was in asking that type of question, and no, it was not well received. Most thought that there was no legitimate comparison.

Personally, I have no strong for or against opinion on this, but just for the purpose of speculation: What's to stop this same group from promoting a 'call to arms' for something else? Now, it's a border patrol issue. Next time, it might be disapproval of local leadership, etc... Considering what the original Minutemen actually stood for, I'm more concerned with the mindset behind these individuals who are labeling themselves as such.

The originals were fighting outrageous taxation and governmental oppression; the current ones are hunting people who are in search of a better life. No, I'm in no way condoning illegal entry into the country, but this seems like an issue for the Official Authorities of our country - as opposed to Jebediah, some whiskey, and the boys with 12 gauges and short fuses.
 
I think being for or against Minutemen is inconsequential. I mean this is something that should be discussed with their partners. I'm sure after some communication, understanding and later if needed viagra, they could go longer in the bedroom.
 
Too much of a slippery slope. You allow this, what else can they do, and to whom?
 
bored said:
And here I thought you meant the punk band :(.
I was excited to vote for the band. :(

Well, arm 'em with litesavers and we'll see.

also, FREE LEE
 
Dude, I friggin' hate UMass!

Seriously? If we'd never passed NAFTA (praise be to the best Republican president since Lincoln--Bill Clinton), this wouldn't be a problem. If Unions weren't getting crushed left and right, this wouldn't be a problem. If we had fair trade rather than free trade, this wouldn't be a problem.

Remember, Minutemen: Don't take the law into your own hands, take 'em to court. The Peoples' Court.
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Give me a break. These guys are NOT vigilantes. They're not even armed for Christ's sake.

They sit on THEIR OWN property, or on GOVERNMENT property, or on property they have PERMISSION to be on, and simply CALL the border patrol when they spot illegals crossing the border.

You people are insane. On the one hand, you want secure borders, but on the other you don't, even when our own citizens VOLUNTEER (thus saving all of us tax dollars) to assist in a NON VIOLENT way.
 
Give me a break. These guys are NOT vigilantes. They're not even armed for Christ's sake

Every one I've seen has had some type of weapon on them at the time. Actually, multiple ones.

I don't know, but if you threaten to take the law into your own hands when you feel that the gov't is inadequate, that sounds like vigilantism to me.
 
Alpha and Omega said:
Every one I've seen has had some type of weapon on them at the time. Actually, multiple ones.

I don't know, but if you threaten to take the law into your own hands when you feel that the gov't is inadequate, that sounds like vigilantism to me.
True enough. Unfortunately, if we don't like the laws, we have to go through channels. I can't just do something outside of the jurisdiction because I don't agree with it. A cop doing something I feel is wrong, I can't go over and beat the **** out of him. That's writing my death warrant.
 
Alpha and Omega said:
Every one I've seen has had some type of weapon on them at the time. Actually, multiple ones.

I don't know, but if you threaten to take the law into your own hands when you feel that the gov't is inadequate, that sounds like vigilantism to me.

If they were armed, then they weren't a part of the legitimate "minuteman" organization. Those are UNARMED volunteers who simply CALL the border patrol by phone when they spot illegals.

And they operate WITHIN the confines of the law. If they didn't, they'd be arrested and put in jail.
 
lazur said:
If they were armed, then they weren't a part of the legitimate "minuteman" organization. Those are UNARMED volunteers who simply CALL the border patrol by phone when they spot illegals.

And they operate WITHIN the confines of the law.
Unarmed people who make phone calls are one thing.

I've seen examples along the Texas/Mexico border where 'Minutemen' WERE carrying weapons.

I watched an NBC interview with Brian Williams (I mentioned it earlier, go back and read my post) where he interviewed ARMED volunteers who had configured their own patrol to apprehend these people.

It's not illegal in Texas to carry visible arms.

If they didn't, they'd be arrested and put in jail.
True, but hypothetically speaking, if some militants were killing illegals or entertaining the thought, how would you, I, or anyone else know?
 
lazur said:
Give me a break. These guys are NOT vigilantes. They're not even armed for Christ's sake.

They sit on THEIR OWN property, or on GOVERNMENT property, or on property they have PERMISSION to be on, and simply CALL the border patrol when they spot illegals crossing the border.

You people are insane. On the one hand, you want secure borders, but on the other you don't, even when our own citizens VOLUNTEER (thus saving all of us tax dollars) to assist in a NON VIOLENT way.


I was going to post some really long response, with articles and list and stuff.
then I thought it over and came to the "no ****ing point to it" conclusion.

so, I'll just say:


LOL:whatever:
 
lazur said:
If they were armed, then they weren't a part of the legitimate "minuteman" organization. Those are UNARMED volunteers who simply CALL the border patrol by phone when they spot illegals.

And they operate WITHIN the confines of the law. If they didn't, they'd be arrested and put in jail.

okay I couldn't resist
 
anyone that FINISHES in a minute or less ...should be DEPORTED:ninja:
 
:dry: um, Lazur, yeah:

Most days, Roger Barnett commutes from his home outside Douglas to his towing and propane companies in downtown Sierra Vista, a city between Tombstone and Douglas that is home to a large community of military retirees. In his spare time, Barnett likes to graze cattle on his 22,000-acre property just outside Douglas. He owns 7,000 acres of his land but the rest is leased from the state, a spread that puts his official rancher credentials about on par with those of President Bush and Robert Redford. With a ruddy face, husky physique, Wrangler jeans and a gravelly voice, he at least looks the part.

Almost immediately after Operation Gatekeeper started in 1995, Barnett says, he began to notice an explosion of migrants crossing his land on their way up from Mexico. The migrants left piles of trash and human excrement, he says; they frightened wildlife and cut fences on his cattle pens. In 1996, he says, he became fed up and started placing them under citizen's arrest and turning them over to Border Patrol agents. On March 10, 1999, while the problem festered, Barnett and 20 fellow landowners signed a proclamation of revolt: "If the government refuses to provide security, then the only recourse is to provide it ourselves." Barnett's bold statement grabbed the media's attention. By 2000, he had been featured on ABC's World News Tonight, in the New York Times and elsewhere.

"I'm prepared to take a life if I have to," he told USA Today.
I feel sorry for what they're doing to his property, but I don't think that killing people would solve anything.

Now 61, Barnett says he says that in the past two years, he has turned almost 5,000 migrants over to Border Patrol agents. "It needs to be done," he rumbles. "They [the Mexicans] are gonna take over our country ... Do you remember what the Iraqis did with our pilots in Desert Storm? They took them hostage. It's the same deal here."
 
I'm pro-minuteman. Theyre making politicians focus more on the borders. and I like vigilantism, thats why I read comics.
 
Fred_Fury said:
I'm pro-minuteman. Theyre making politicians focus more on the borders. and I like vigilantism, thats why I read comics.

no, seriously......LOL
 
Fred_Fury said:
http://www.voanews.com/english/2006-10-04-voa60.cfm

Bush Authorizes Fence for US-Mexico BorderBy Paula Wolfson
White House
04 October 2006
Wolfson report - Download 294k
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Listen to Wolfson report

U.S. President George Bush has signed legislation that provides roughly $1.2 billion for fencing and other enhanced security measures along the border with Mexico.





Nuff said.


:huh: I'm sure it had nothing to do with anything else. and it doesn't have anything to do with taking attention away from SOME issues ( I can't spell issues :( ) onto others that are really not important.

again

LOL

:meow:"nuff said":meow:
 
on the PBS show "Now", they had an interview with a doctor who was proud to say that it took him 6 years to LEGALLY imigrate to America and that the thing that kept him going was the fact that he studied about America and loved the concept behind it.

He said he was pissed that he's a doctor, with something substantial to offer, and it took him 6 years, and yet there are millions of people with nothing substantial to offer who just waltz in. I agree with him.
 

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