Are you glad Keaton got out when he did?

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Michael Keaton turned down the biggest pay check ever at that time because of his creative differences with Joel, but if he had stayed on and Joel was more open to some of his idea's, Forever could of turned out to be a better film. Are you glad he got out when he did and let the movie become what it was (weather its good or bad is up to you), or him stay with a few of his changes and his angle to confront the character?
 
I believe that Keaton cared about the character not the money, you don't see that today. I'm glad he got out.
 
Yes, if only for how it further separates the Burton movies from the Schumacher ones.
 
I believe that Keaton cared about the character not the money, you don't see that today. I'm glad he got out.

I think he also cared about maintaining Burton's direction for the franchise. Which gives him even more respect in my book. Unfortunately, he got blackballed in Hollywood for it. Even Pfeiffer dumped him. That must have sucked big time.
 
I'm not sure but I admire him for going for the conviction and not the money.
 
Unfortunately, he got blackballed in Hollywood for it.

No, not really. Before B89, he was never making box office blockbusters anyway. He just went back to his regular success.

Even Pfeiffer dumped him.

Contrary to popular belief, they never dated. Keaton was going steady at the time with Courtney Cox. They broke up a year or two after BR wrapped.... for reasons unknown, but according to Cox, they still loved each other deeply, even though they were breaking up.
 
I'm glad he took the stand he did for the character and not selling out for the money but I wish they would have listened to him and his ideas and he would've stayed.
 
No, not really. Before B89, he was never making box office blockbusters anyway. He just went back to his regular success.

I don't know, Keaton had some modest hits before Burton. Mr. Mom, Johnny Dangerously, Night Shift. Not a huge star, but a working actor that starred in some modest hits. He fell off the face of the earth after Batman Returns, only to resurface in two movies based on Elmore Leonard novels. I mean, he used to star in movies, even if they weren't great. When's the last time besides White Noise have you heard anyone saying they wanted to go see the new Michael Keaton movie?


Contrary to popular belief, they never dated. Keaton was going steady at the time with Courtney Cox. They broke up a year or two after BR wrapped.... for reasons unknown, but according to Cox, they still loved each other deeply, even though they were breaking up.

I did not know that. I apologize completely for misleading anyone in this thread with my false information.
 
Keaton's problem was that he approached it the wrong way. He should have told WB, "I don't need 30 million dollars. All I need is creative freedom/control and a producers credit."
 
Keaton got out at the right time. Schumacher took the reigns after Returns. At least Keaton can say he's been in two decent Batman movies.
 
Keaton's problem was that he approached it the wrong way. He should have told WB, "I don't need 30 million dollars. All I need is creative freedom/control and a producers credit."

I don't know if they would have accepted that deal. After how he played Batman in Returns, they may not have wanted that. They wanted to sell toys, after all. And Keaton with creative control would have meant a truly Dark Knight.
 
Well, he wasn't really buff, he didn't have that Bruce look I prefer Kilmer.
 
It would have been interesting to see, no doubt, but I dont think Keatons Wayne/Batman would have fit into Schumachers world. He would have bedded Kidman and kicked Carrey's, Jones', and O'donnels collective asses. Then he would have blown that glow in the dark Batmobile up himself.lol


It just wasnt what he wanted to do, so as an actor, he made the right decision.

As far as his career after Returns, this has been discussed many times on this very board. He has had a respectful career.

Much ado about nothing
My Life
The Paper
Speechless
Multiplicity
Inventing the Abotts
Jacki Brown
Desperate Measures
Out of Sight
Jack frost
A Shot at Glory
Quicksand
Live from Baghdad
First Daughter
Game 6
White Noise
Herbie Fully Loaded
Cars (voice)
The Last time

Hes currently in The Company being shown on TNT and has done several tv appearances. Some of these films he may have had smaller roles and some may not have been big releases, but its still a good acting career. Different types of roles.

He has said that being Batman gave him the oppertunity to do whatever he wanted with his life. He didnt have to choose any big blockbuster, because if he wanted, he never had to act again. He has made very good investments with the money from the Batman films which allowed him complete freedom with his career.


BTW, The Last Time was intersting. You should check it out.
 
^ He may not have been all that buff, but he played Batman's loner attitude and paranoia better than anyone so far.
 
Keaton may have been a bit small, but he had the face and mannerisms of Bruce Wayne, and i prefer a good actor over a muscleman anyday.

as for his success, keaton was never a "blockbuster" kinda guy. kind of like bale. he liked to do smaller movies that may not have been gigantic successes but meant something to him as an actor. much like christian bale. christian bale is another actor who is known, but is not a gigantic hollywood name or anything. he too likes those small films but with good stories over big blockbusters with no point to them. keaton did hit 80's films like beetlejuice and mr.mom, even some serious lesser known drama's like clean and sober (GREAT film). but he never got as much attention as when he did the batman films. same seems to be happeneing with bale. batman opened doors, but bale is not the type to sell out, like keaton. im glad keaton didnt stoop to schumachers level just for the money, which must have been pretty damn good.


also, i had no idea courtney cox dated keaton, wow that is one for the books. and i REALLY thought for the longest time that at one point before Returns, Keaton was dateing michelle pfieffer (which would explain the amazing chemistry). ive read it in magazines even, is that true?
 
Im glad he got out,he saved his reputation.If he would have stayed,his acting carrier would have went down the gutter.
 
Actually Batman Forever boosted some careers and kicked ass at the box-office.
 
Although I hated hearing the news that Keaton wasnt going to be reprising the role of Batman waaay back in '94 when Batman Forever was still in development, I have to say now that ultimately I am glad that Keaton left the series when he did. I don't believe Schumacher's vision would have really meshed too well with Keaton's sensabilities, and obviously in the creative deptartment as well. Keaton saw the series taking a definate shift in terms of direction, and it wasnt something he particularly liked apparently, so thus enter: Val Kilmer. Who I felt was a better fit for Batman in Schumacher's Batman Forever anyways.

As far as the whole Courtney Cox/Michael Keaton courtship. I'm not really sure they left each other on the best of terms. It's true they dated for awhile, but I recall an interview where Cox basically said that the reason herself and Keaton split up, was essentially because there's more to a relationship than just sex. Which obviously, wasnt too flattering towards keaton.
 
Actually Batman Forever boosted some careers and kicked ass at the box-office.
Yeah, it had one of the, if not THE, biggest friday opening at that point in time. 52-53 million if I am not mistaken.
 
I don't know, Keaton had some modest hits before Burton. Mr. Mom, Johnny Dangerously, Night Shift. Not a huge star, but a working actor that starred in some modest hits.

Exactly, and this is what he went back to right after BR.

He fell off the face of the earth after Batman Returns, only to resurface in two movies based on Elmore Leonard novels. I mean, he used to star in movies, even if they weren't great.

Not true. Right after BR, he was in a Shakspearian flick; Much Ado About Nothing, with an inspired turn as Dogberry the "public constable." He gave an Oscar-worthy performance in My Life with Nicole Kidman. He gave a side-splitting performance in the Ron Howard-directed The Paper, and let's not forget the amazing Multiplicity, which was a fairly successful film.

He never made the same kind of money as on the Batman flicks.... but that's not important. He remained in-demand and a minor-league box-office draw. Every one of his performances are gripping and believeable. The reason he is my idol as an actor is because he givs 110% to these roles and makes them believeable. Even the less-than-stellar films of his (which some of them... I disagree, I think they're marvelous) are worth it to see his work. Whatever the role is doesn't matter. Mike cares about giving audiences real work. That is why his field is so diverse, and that's why he's not a billionaire, stalked by the tabloids; because he doesn't pick what will be huge, he picks what shows off his abilities, and the biggest hits aren't always the most inspired films, anyway.

In truth, his best performances have been in his two most recent films: Game 6 and The Last Time, which are both Oscar-worthy. Ebert even said so of Keaton's performance in "6". The fact that he was ignored was a crime. As good as Keaton is, I keep getting amazed, he's even better with each new film. And those films are proof-positive that the only films left with real heart are independant flicks.

When's the last time besides White Noise have you heard anyone saying they wanted to go see the new Michael Keaton movie

Nobody was even saying it for White Noise. :cwink:

My group of friends and I are Michael Keaton enthusiasts, however. We're the ones always waiting for his next projects.

My introduction to Keaton was the Batman films, and though I've always liked him, I only became a big fan of his within the last few years. And it's funny. Discovering his other work now, I'm not a Keaton-as-Batman loyalist because I grew up with him, now, but because I'm more amazed by his ability to go from the comedies he did before Batman and into Batman and deliver a solid, accurate and respectful performance (which I will go so far as to call definitive). I don't identify him as Batman anymore automatically. I identify him for his body of work as a whole. Subconsciously, to me, he's a comedian. So I am continually re-amazed when I realize the power of his turn as Batman.

Through all of his interviews, all of his films and every scrap of news about him, the respect he gave to the role of Batman will go down as, I think, one of the most defining things about him. He's not even a fan. He doesn't read the comics, doesn't know much about the character other than his work on it and the few books he read as research, and for him to treat the chracter as respectfully as we (as fans) would want of any actor? Michael Keaton is the man, or truthfully; Both Michael Keaton and Bruce Campbell are my idols and my definitions of "the man." Compared to them, Chuck Norris is garbage. :wow:
 
Yeah, Forever's numbers exceeded the other Batfilms as far as opening weekends go. Which may, or may not have been expected by WB. Which helped, and ultimately (after the final grosses) guaranteed Schumacher's return. :o
 
As far as the whole Courtney Cox/Michael Keaton courtship. I'm not really sure they left each other on the best of terms. It's true they dated for awhile, but I recall an interview where Cox basically said that the reason herself and Keaton split up, was essentially because there's more to a relationship than just sex. Which obviously, wasnt too flattering towards keaton.

Funny, I read an interview with her on the 'net a few months ago where she said they still were very much in love when they broke up.

Keaton's a very introverted and shy individual. He has trouble expressing himself or his feelings, which is why he can be blunt in interviews. Cox even admitted that her most prized gift from him was something practical; a stove he bought her as a housewarming present when she moved.

There's a lot going on in his head and although they loved each other a great deal, Keaton still wasn't as open as she would have hoped, which gives us a clue as to why he so understands Batman.... Keaton himself is very reclusive and is very to-himself. In romantic relationships, he seems to be very shy and partially closed-off. From what I understand, Keaton knew that Cox didn't like this about him, but unable to find the way to open up the way she craved, they both realized it would be better if they ended the relationship. They dated from about 1989 to 1993.

It's amazing the stuff you find on the 'net. I've found endless articles and one psychological profile of Keaton done by some magazine in the mid-ninties. Oddly, my psychological makeup matches Keaton's nearly flawlessly.... not to toot my own horn, but I'd like to think I understand him as well as any relative. But then, who knows? But from every bit I've read on him (interviews, profiles, articles), I think I know this man pretty damn well.
 

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