Arnold Is Back for Terminator 5

[elgaz]

I disagree, without Arnold this series has died. Because Arnold is too old and nobody seems to have any good ideas I think that the series should end. Terminator Salvation was bad enough, we don't need a worse movie than that one.

I would agree that Arnold's name was a draw for T3, but not for Terminator Salvation. Attemping to shoehorn in a CGi Arnie just to get a few more asses on cinema seats was a bit obvious - TS wasn't a fantastic film by any means, but its storyline was able to function just fine without Arnold being in the lead or featuring prominently.

I guess we are both skirting around the one subject - the Terminator films need some fresh and compelling writing, both for story and script, without relying on gimmicks like bringing back an aging Arnie to play the T800 yet again.

I'm always surprised that Hollywood can be so superficial about people's looks, and aging, etc ........................ yet can't seem to grasp that they can't keep making sequels decades apart and expect the audience to buy that the lead actor is still the same from start to finish. Especially when he's playing a robot which doesn't get any older in appearance.

 

[uniqueweasel]

The next terminator has to be more future war based, and by that I mean like the beginning of terminator 2, t-800's patrolling around with HK's, they need to stop trying to centre the story around one particular robot, why not make it more about surviving judgement day as though its a zombie apocalypse style film but with robots. A group of nuke survivors trying to find others and avoid terminators.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I would agree that Arnold's name was a draw for T3, but not for Terminator Salvation. Attemping to shoehorn in a CGi Arnie just to get a few more asses on cinema seats was a bit obvious - TS wasn't a fantastic film by any means, but its storyline was able to function just fine without Arnold being in the lead or featuring prominently.

I guess we are both skirting around the one subject - the Terminator films need some fresh and compelling writing, both for story and script, without relying on gimmicks like bringing back an aging Arnie to play the T800 yet again.

I'm always surprised that Hollywood can be so superficial about people's looks, and aging, etc ........................ yet can't seem to grasp that they can't keep making sequels decades apart and expect the audience to buy that the lead actor is still the same from start to finish. Especially when he's playing a robot which doesn't get any older in appearance.

I agree that Arnold is too old to come back and all of the make up and body building in the world cannot change that fact. And I agree with the second paragraph and by virtue of that the first.

 

[Thundercrack85]

The real problem is that the franchise ended with Terminator 2. They made that as clear as possible. They even said they destroyed the backups, so there is no way that Skynet could exist.

Terminator 3 apparently retcons that, by having there be backup backups. Terminator Salvation just... didn't care enough to address that. But it had so many other continuity problems, it really doesn't matter.

The series should have ended at 2. There is no room for a sequel.

 

[Matt Mortem]

I love the Terminator franchise, I really do. T1 and T2 are among my favorite films, but bringing Arnold back to play a Terminator again just doesn't make a lick of sense. He has gotten far too old. Stallone coming back to play Rambo or Rocky is fine because those characters age with him, but how are they going to explain a cyborg that has aged? They should just let the Terminator franchise go and focus those creative energies on creating an original concept.

 

[Sawyer]

T3 was worse than Salvation. Not even debatable as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Kane52630]

T3's ending was the only thing that I found redeemable. With Salvation you get a lot of great stuff (performances, set pieces, action, score) but the story bleh.

 

[Sawyer]

I really liked the end of T3. Specifically Stahl. It was just too bad he couldn't act that well for the whole movie.

 

[elgaz]

If they really want to bring Arnold back in one of his famous roles, bring him back as Dutch and make a decent Predator film again, none of this dodgy Alien VS Predator PG13 rubbish. An aged Dutch being involved in some Predator story again would be much more appealing to me than a T800 with wrinkles. At least then he could play his real age. Perhaps he's brought in by the NSA as a consultant when Predators come to Earth to hunt again, him being one of the few humans to have experienced and survived them.

 

[Matt Mortem]

If they really want to bring Arnold back in one of his famous roles, bring him back as Dutch and make a decent Predator film again, none of this dodgy Alien VS Predator PG13 rubbish. An aged Dutch being involved in some Predator story again would be much more appealing to me than a T800 with wrinkles. At least then he could play his real age. Perhaps he's brought in by the NSA as a consultant when Predators come to Earth to hunt again, him being one of the few humans to have experienced and survived them.

This. If Ahnold wants to revisit an old character, make it a character that can age.

 

[xmangambit]

I was really dissapoint with T4 aka Salvation because I thought it was more like some Afghan film in the middle east, no future war or anything talk being budget, where wer the lazer and shiny metal robots of T2 intro? Big flop! So if they do do it would like to see something dark and depressing like that!

 

[Thundercrack85]

To be fair, it was only a few years after Judgment Day. The scenes in the other movies were set 20-30 years after.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

If they really want to bring Arnold back in one of his famous roles, bring him back as Dutch and make a decent Predator film again, none of this dodgy Alien VS Predator PG13 rubbish. An aged Dutch being involved in some Predator story again would be much more appealing to me than a T800 with wrinkles. At least then he could play his real age. Perhaps he's brought in by the NSA as a consultant when Predators come to Earth to hunt again, him being one of the few humans to have experienced and survived them.

YES!!

this is what i'd most like to see. hopefully a sequel to Rodriguez's Predators movie gets made with Arnold having a role.

 

[nocomics]

Agreed... Arnold should revisit Dutch.. Can always use his aging part of the story, old retired military guy thrust-ed back into action via Predators assault or a missing relative or something. Hell I'd even go with Arnie in a AvP type movie

 

[antonydelfini]

Agree with Predator sequel with Dutch.

My ideas:
Island of the Predator is the title, Dutch has retired since 1987, he has a family now, the Predator is in the Komodo island, Government chooses Dutch to lead a team versus the predator due to his experience, Dutch picks his soldiers (ala Dirty Dozen Seven Samurai), goes to Komodo Island, fights komodos, fights residents of the Island, and of course fights a predator. The end.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Agree with Predator sequel with Dutch.

My ideas:
Island of the Predator is the title, Dutch has retired since 1987, he has a family now, the Predator is in the Komodo island, Government chooses Dutch to lead a team versus the predator due to his experience, Dutch picks his soldiers (ala Dirty Dozen Seven Samurai), goes to Komodo Island, fights komodos, fights residents of the Island, and of course fights a predator. The end.

I'd buy a ticket for that!

 

[Punisher Rising]

I disagree, without Arnold this series has died. Because Arnold is too old and nobody seems to have any good ideas I think that the series should end. Terminator Salvation was bad enough, we don't need a worse movie than that one.

I think the series can survive without Arnold. The Model 101 sheath (which is his) is one of countless sheaths SkyNet has for their Terminators, it's not just limited to that one. I'd be fine if Arnold didn't return for the next movie, to me the series isn't about him, it's about the Connors and their attempts to avert Judgment Day from happening in their timeline while avoiding threats SkyNet sends their way. They can still do good stories without Arnold being in it.

For me, the only Terminator-related project I'd care to see Arnold back for would be a RoboCop Vs. Terminator movie, which by now probably won't happen (not live-action, at least).

 

[LostSon88]

YES!!

this is what i'd most like to see. hopefully a sequel to Rodriguez's Predators movie gets made with Arnold having a role.

And have Danny Glover cameo…

 

[Bruce Malone]

Let's be real how long does arnold really have left as an action man? I think people are still putting projections of him as they remember him from 20 years ago.

The fact is he is not in great shape he's hasn't been active for near a decade and he has visibly aged quite a bit. He's not stallone who has been training non-stop his whole career (with the aid of some "stuff" btw) nor is he willis who has always been a better actor and not known for his super physique.

I really think arnold would look sad if he tries to re-play any of his former roles he is really living off his name alone at this point.

 

[dark_b]

Agree with Predator sequel with Dutch.

My ideas:
Island of the Predator is the title, Dutch has retired since 1987, he has a family now, the Predator is in the Komodo island, Government chooses Dutch to lead a team versus the predator due to his experience, Dutch picks his soldiers (ala Dirty Dozen Seven Samurai), goes to Komodo Island, fights komodos, fights residents of the Island, and of course fights a predator. The end.

i find it fascinating that the Dutch character is the only character from the 80's where it would make sense for Arnold to come back. not terminator,no twins,no,.....

but hollywood and Arnold think only about the terminator.

you announce a predator sequel with Arnold as Dutch and you get at least 2 tickets from me.

 

[elgaz]

I think the reason for that is that military guys can age and become even bigger badasses. Whereas men from any other walk of life - doctors, lawyers, actors ..................... just get older. And Terminators don't age

We've all seen the stereotypical 50-60yr old military guy shouting orders at new recruits, it's almost become a cliche now in films which have extensive army scenes. But the fact remains, that guy is usually an intimidating mofo who's seen it all.

Personally I'd like to see a new Predator film where Dutch has been living alone somewhere secluded since his encounter with the Predator. He's been debriefed by the military and the government a thousand times, but he's never quite come to terms with losing his team - the only thing he really cared about - or with the creature that did it. His silence and state of shock at the end of the first film was an indicator of this. As such, he's never had a family or settled into any kind of lazy, comfortable routine. He simply lives and breathes, keeping himself in shape by working outdoors but mostly having an empty life, still dealing mentally with the traumatic events that took place and the realisation that not only is there other life out there beyond earth, but it's deadly. He's an old school army guy who keeps himself to himself and doesn't talk about what's going on in his head. He suffers flashbacks and has a recurring dream of hanging upside down in the darkness while a Predator's face slowly closes in on him.

Then some suits turn up on his door and tell him they need him. There's been a report of bodies found strung up, their spinal columns torn out. Strange radiation readings in the area. It all fits with the events that happened to him in 1987. And though his first instinct is to stay away from this situation and keep living his solitary existence, he sees a chance to finally get answers and make some sense of things.

I want to see a Predator film where there is a lead character we actually care about, and learn about. Predator 1 had that, Predator 2 had it too to some extent (in the form of Danny Glover), but after that we got a succession of empty characters and filler in the AvsP films ............. and it's hard to care about any of the characters when you have no attachment to them.

 

[antonydelfini]

Sounds chilling man. Arnold would really rock a Predator movie like that.

 

[Gianakin_]

IMO the only way to go with a T5 movie is keep setting it during the war in the future.

TS's heart was in the right place but it lost track big time. Casting Bale was a mistake, only in the sense that they rewrote the script to accommodate his star power. The initial ideas were great: Marcus Wright (terribly portrayed by that piece of wood that is Worthington, imo) and the creation of T-800. There was a ready movie right there if I ever read one, with the potential to be deep and as thought-provoking as T2 and especially T1.

There are more than enough ideas to make this franchise still go and be awesome and fresh. Cameron opened a can of worms back in '84, in a good way. They just need to get smart writers and yes, Arnie has a place there, as a character (a prisoner perhaps) whose likeness was used for one of the Terminators. Make him someone close to John Connor, write a DAMN GOOD script to get Bale back and voila. T5. Just focus on the right things this time.

 

[Clu]

only issue I had with salvation was the piss poor direction from mcg, who clearly had no voice on the set and let bale do whatever he wanted even use his batman voice.

when bale went on a rant. he asked mcg to chime in and do something, but he was no no and avoided it and even went as far as saying he never seen him.

 

[Gianakin_]

I want to hate TS, but I can't. It was a decent effort. That's why I don't want to write off the franchise just yet. But I agree with others who have said that this is bigger than Arnold. But I'd always welcome him in a future movie.

They should take an idea or two from the criminally underrated Sarah Connor Chronicles TV Show. Not the best execution (which lead to its cancellation), but damn did it have innovative and bold ideas for the franchise.