Arnold Is Back for Terminator 5

[Thundercrack85]

It wasnt that bad.

Both Part 3 and Salvation are underrated movies.

No, no they weren't. They were bad movies, who got an appropriate reaction from fans and the general audience.

The TV show, that was underrated. Wasn't great, but they were trying.

 

[Terminator]

Are you kidding Arnald In Terminator 1 had a punch line I'll be back. These are machines so vocabulary is limited. I think She played a great lethal killing machine.

Talk to da hand.

har har har aint I funny.

Wait...vocabulary is limited? What? All the things SkyNet could do and they forgot to read the dictionary.

 

[Octoberist]

It wasnt that bad.

Both Part 3 and Salvation are underrated movies.

I think they're entertaining to a certain degree but this is when I knew the series jumped the shark. They're the Roger Moore's of the franchise. (I like The Spy who Loved Me btw)

 

[Thundercrack85]

I don't really want to lump them together.

Terminator 3 just seems like a very lazy rehash of Terminator 2. It completely ignored everything established in Terminator 2. It was unoriginal and inferior in every way. And to add insult to injury, they tried to undo everything Terminator 2 did.

Terminator 4 is a different story. Bland, predictable and... for the most part inoffensive. But forgettable.

 

[Octoberist]

I think they represent the two extremes of doing things wrong when it comes to tone: One is cheesy as heck and the other ultra serious.

 

[Thundercrack85]

At least Salvation doesn't try to redo Terminator 2. That's what bothered me most.

I don't see bringing Arnold back as a good idea.

They need to let his character go and move on.

A cameo or something, that'd be fine. But to bring him back for a fifth time as a terminator? No. It makes no sense.

 

[Octoberist]

My issue with part 3 was how they obviously did not know where to go with the story. It was an obvious cash grab especially without Cameron or Hamilton. And I'm sorry, the guy who played John Connor is an ugly dude. Yellow Bastard indeed.

The other thing was how the TX was an exploitive hook to draw in the crowd. Her character was a downgrade from the seemingly God-like T-1000. With her gender and her 'powers', it felt like the producers were in a meeting trying to brainstorm ideas. "Let's make her a hot chick. Check. Ummm..she can control machines. Check. She has a gun arm. Check"

 

[Terminator]

The self driving cars was from something else Jonathan Mostow wanted to make that he just inserted into T3. So yeah, that's kind of what happened. And he referred to the T-X's reaction to tasting Connor's blood as orgasmic, I didn't make that up.

Can you imagine Arnold tasting Reese's blood and having the same reaction?

 

[Gianakin_]

Not that I love any of them, but T4 > T3. For many obvious reasons.

 

[Thundercrack85]

My issue with part 3 was how they obviously did not know where to go with the story. It was an obvious cash grab especially without Cameron or Hamilton. And I'm sorry, the guy who played John Connor is an ugly dude. Yellow Bastard indeed.

The other thing was how the TX was an exploitive hook to draw in the crowd. Her character was a downgrade from the seemingly God-like T-1000. With her gender and her 'powers', it felt like the producers were in a meeting trying to brainstorm ideas. "Let's make her a hot chick. Check. Ummm..she can control machines. Check. She has a gun arm. Check"

You know, the whole hot chick angle isn't terrible. Provided it's put to use... but it isn't. At all. The T-X is about as subtle as a sledge hammer. She literally goes around shooting people in the face in front of large groups of people. The T-1000 seemed much more intelligent.

Though again, having the T-X go after lieutenants in addition to John was a good idea. I note it, cause those are few and far between.

The control machine part is also not a terrible idea. But you can't control modern cars that way.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

^^
About the car control : she used nanotech I think.

 

[THANOSRULES]

I don't really want to lump them together.

Terminator 3 just seems like a very lazy rehash of Terminator 2. It completely ignored everything established in Terminator 2. It was unoriginal and inferior in every way. And to add insult to injury, they tried to undo everything Terminator 2 did.

Terminator 4 is a different story. Bland, predictable and... for the most part inoffensive. But forgettable.

The chase scene with the crane was very well done.

It didnt ignore this stuff..it explained how everything went or had changed. And having a Judgement Day was a good move for the franchise to continue post Arnold.

T3 didnt do that well because they waited too long and they did not really hype up the movie. I feel like a lot of people never gave it a chance.

No, no they weren't. They were bad movies, who got an appropriate reaction from fans and the general audience.

The TV show, that was underrated. Wasn't great, but they were trying.

Honestly, they didnt do that bad at the box office. T2 was a monster these are R rated movies and T3 is the 27th ranked R rated grossing film of all time and got a 70% on RT.

..and T3 had no Cameron ..(who called the film "great")

 

[Thundercrack85]

^^
About the car control : she used nanotech I think.

Nanobots can't drive cars. Cars aren't controlled by computers (except maybe those prototype self-driving cars Google has). You have manual steering and pedals, and what not. Whoever came up with that knows less about cars than kids in high school auto shop.

Terminator 3 was just bad. The plot is a total retread, which contradicts the last (superior) film. Arnold's age was really showing, and the character's presence was a plot hole in its own right. Then there's what they did with the character of John Connor... where to begin. If he's the future leader of humanity, I can see why Skynet keeps coming back. Then there's the plot holes...

It was just a bad film.

 

[dude stannis]

I think they're entertaining to a certain degree but this is when I knew the series jumped the shark. They're the Roger Moore's of the franchise. (I like The Spy who Loved Me btw)

This. Neither of those films is Schumacher levels. There's certainly good films left to be made in the series.

 

[Terminator]

Know what else bothered me? John stating in T3 that T2 took place when he was 13. I get that people felt John was older than 10 in T2 but that's besides the point. The police computer in T2 states his age. Not to mention the fact that the original JD date was August 29, 1997. John wouldn't be 13 until after that date. They could have said when he was younger or anything, I'll never understand why they settled on 13.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I sometimes wondered if the people who made Terminator 3 saw Terminator 2.

They get a lot of stuff wrong for no discernible reason.

 

[dude stannis]

Mostow on the commentary clearly wasn't paying attention when he saw T1 and T2. But at least he was pretty upfront with the film he made. I think we got burned by McG worse for being a snake oil salesman.

 

[uniqueweasel]

There are only two terminator movies, the others are just simply 'movies' and the tv series is like any other series in that genre if you like that kind of thing you enjoy it, if not you don't!

 

[Asteroid-Man]

I actually really want them to bring back Bale but the new Director should remind him "This isn't Batman Begins".

 

[ThePhantasm]

I think if this movie is made it should be a partial reboot, a la Superman Returns.

Ignore T3 and T:Salvation. Start the new movie in the future, with Arnold as the Terminator model that is being phased out by Skynet in favor of newer models. Have the story center on John Connor after the event of sending Kyle back in time. Deal with John's guilt over sending his father to what he knows is his death. That would be an interesting story.

 

[uniqueweasel]

i think if this movie is made it should be a partial reboot, a la superman returns.

Ignore t3 and t:salvation. Start the new movie in the future, with arnold as the terminator model that is being phased out by skynet in favor of newer models. Have the story center on john connor after the event of sending kyle back in time. Deal with john's guilt over sending his father to what he knows is his death. That would be an interesting story.

+ 1

 

[Thundercrack85]

I think if this movie is made it should be a partial reboot, a la Superman Returns.

Ignore T3 and T:Salvation. Start the new movie in the future, with Arnold as the Terminator model that is being phased out by Skynet in favor of newer models. Have the story center on John Connor after the event of sending Kyle back in time. Deal with John's guilt over sending his father to what he knows is his death. That would be an interesting story.

Afraid you lost me when you said "a la Superman Returns".

People, including some of the directors, seem to be forgetting that Arnold was just one Terminator. The T-800's don't all look like him. Plus the T-800 is rather obsolete by both the standards in the story and by our own.

They need to try something new. No more retreads. No 65-year old Model 101. Time to move on.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Afraid you lost me when you said "a la Superman Returns".

People, including some of the directors, seem to be forgetting that Arnold was just one Terminator. The T-800's don't all look like him. Plus the T-800 is rather obsolete by both the standards in the story and by our own.

They need to try something new. No more retreads. No 65-year old Model 101. Time to move on.

Yep, no retreads. And Arnold robot wasn't the only model.

 

[uniqueweasel]

But wasn't the model 101 meant to be the best infiltration terminator, as Reese says the older/other versions were easier to spot 'skin jobs,' Plus why keep sending back different terminators, we don't need to see this anymore, we need to see a proper future wars film just terminators vs the resistance, terminator 2 was the best ending/lead to the future war.

 

[THANOSRULES]

I sometimes wondered if the people who made Terminator 3 saw Terminator 2.

They get a lot of stuff wrong for no discernible reason.

All the continuity crap is explained within the movie...there was nothing "wrong"