Arnold Is Back for Terminator 5

[Thundercrack85]

No not necessarly and I'm not going to get deeply in this again. But the reason John did not disappear at the end of T2 was because that was not the end of Skynet, and Cameron had a plot for it. T1 and T2 had one timeline, and it was circular. Then they changed it and did create multiple timelines. But still the point remains, if Kyle was killed....that means he would not be sent back therefore John would never be born especially born as a child that knows about the machines and prepares for war.

T2's original ending was cut because it would not work that way. Whatever way the writers wanted to put it, T2 was not the end of Skynet, just the beginning.

That logic doesn't work for several reasons. Aside from what I've already stated (which you really can't work around), according to Terminator 3 (not made with any input from Cameron)... despite everything that happened in Terminator 2, a Skynet still came into existence (somehow). But even then, it's nearly a decade later, and a different Skynet.

So that along throws the entire premise out of whack by about ten years.

 

[elgaz]

That logic doesn't work for several reasons. Aside from what I've already stated (which you really can't work around), according to Terminator 3 (not made with any input from Cameron)... despite everything that happened in Terminator 2, a Skynet still came into existence (somehow). But even then, it's nearly a decade later, and a different Skynet.

So that along throws the entire premise out of whack by about ten years.

By doing that, T3 also took the underlying theme which Cameron was pushing in T2 ( the whole "No fate but what we make" idea - the film even ended with the future depicted as an open road, directionless) ....................... and took a piss on it from a great height.

T3 essentially said no matter what humans did, Skynet was destined to be created and wipe out most of mankind. Timelines could change, dates could change, but ultimately the same or similar events would still happen. Fate was already determined.

 

[Thundercrack85]

By doing that, T3 also took the underlying theme which Cameron was pushing in T2 ( the whole "No fate but what we make" idea - the film even ended with the future depicted as an open road, directionless) ....................... and took a piss on it from a great height.

T3 essentially said no matter what humans did, Skynet was destined to be created and wipe out most of mankind. Timelines could change, dates could change, but ultimately the same or similar events would still happen. Fate was already determined.

Yeah, that alone was enough to make me hate it.

But then Terminator 2 is one of my favorite films.

 

[Doc Ock]

Yeah, one theme in the other Terminator films was about either looking at the future in fear or looking at it in hope. This would be a reversal on that... does the past, full of heroes like John Connor, give you hope? Or does it make you afraid that evils like Skynet could rise again?

I'm just spitballing though... I'm sure there's other good ideas / options for a new story...

Right exactly I love a reversal idea. Fearing the past instead of the future.

 

[Carnotaur3]

"No fate but what we make for ourselves" is a nice idea in theory. But unfortunately it applies to all of humanity and not just three individuals and a cybernetic organism.

To actually change the future, one must inspire others from destroying it. That's why T3's future happens. Dyson might have been the one most directly responsible back in 1995, but there are others there to pick up the pieces. The future won't be the same, but the outcome will be similar. If anything, T3 and TS took T2's ideas and expanded them.

T1 is the only film that speaks of a paradoxical loop, where time travel alters nothing.

 

[henzINNIT]

That logic doesn't work for several reasons. Aside from what I've already stated (which you really can't work around), according to Terminator 3 (not made with any input from Cameron)... despite everything that happened in Terminator 2, a Skynet still came into existence (somehow). But even then, it's nearly a decade later, and a different Skynet.

So that along throws the entire premise out of whack by about ten years.

The end of T2 was left ambiguous so Cameron could keep his optimistic close without necesarily undermining the timeline. It was entirely possible that Judgement Day would have happened just as it was always going to if Cameron got around to making T3.

Obviously Mostow's film went about it in a different way.

 

[Destructus86]

"No fate but what we make for ourselves" is a nice idea in theory. But unfortunately it applies to all of humanity and not just three individuals and a cybernetic organism.

To actually change the future, one must inspire others from destroying it. That's why T3's future happens. Dyson might have been the one most directly responsible back in 1995, but there are others there to pick up the pieces. The future won't be the same, but the outcome will be similar. If anything, T3 and TS took T2's ideas and expanded them.

T1 is the only film that speaks of a paradoxical loop, where time travel alters nothing.

There's a (thin) theory that T: Salvation wasn't in the same timeline as previous films but was an alternate timeline based on the events of T3.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I assumed T.S Salvation was a different timeline because Connor clearly says that this isn't the future his mother warned him about and that the T-800 's were built earlier than was stated.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Alternate timelines are stupid. I'd rather everything be predestined in a story than have a story where your actions are inconsequential because in some other timeline you did some other thing.

 

[Carnotaur3]

I assumed T.S Salvation was a different timeline because Connor clearly says that this isn't the future his mother warned him about and that the T-800 's were built earlier than was stated.

Of course it's a new timeline. T2 changed everything. I don't get why this is so hard to understand.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Of course it's a new timeline. T2 changed everything. I don't get why this is so hard to understand.

Cameron wanted T2 to end everything with the coda ending (Old Sarah at the playground) but Mario Kassar argued for a more ambiguous ending to leave things open for sequels. Frankly, the ambiguous ending is better IMHO. It leaves it open to be a new timeline or to continue towards its destiny...

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The original ending was typical Cameron fluff and didn't fit the film, additionally it featured some truly atrocious old age make up on Linda Hamilton.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

Yeah and the T 1000 SFX were sloppy too, damn be this 1991 movie effects.
What next ? T1 stop motion andosekeleton animation was not realistic ?

PS : it is late here and I may come off as aggressive, it is not the case. Sorry for the harsh tone.

 

[ShadowBoxer]

I heard this movie might not be made or it might not star Arnold because of how bad his new movie The Last Stand flopped at the box office.

 

[Thundercrack85]

"No fate but what we make for ourselves" is a nice idea in theory. But unfortunately it applies to all of humanity and not just three individuals and a cybernetic organism.

To actually change the future, one must inspire others from destroying it. That's why T3's future happens. Dyson might have been the one most directly responsible back in 1995, but there are others there to pick up the pieces. The future won't be the same, but the outcome will be similar. If anything, T3 and TS took T2's ideas and expanded them.

T1 is the only film that speaks of a paradoxical loop, where time travel alters nothing.

What pieces? The destroyed all the research and the stuff they were reverse engineering. And then they blew up the R&D building for good measure. Where are people getting these magical pieces from?

T3 took a **** on T2.

 

[jacobed]

I heard this movie might not be made or it might not star Arnold because of how bad his new movie The Last Stand flopped at the box office.

Let's hope so. Arnold coming back literally does nothing for this movie

 

[747]

T3 took a **** upon T2 and was a **** movie in itself at the same time.

 

[HopeOfTheFuture]

What pieces? The destroyed all the research and the stuff they were reverse engineering. And then they blew up the R&D building for good measure. Where are people getting these magical pieces from?

T3 took a **** on T2.

The T-800's arms in the steel mill for example.

I dislike T3 but accept it for what it is. I really loathe Terminator Salvation.

 

[Thundercrack85]

The T-800's arms in the steel mill for example.

I dislike T3 but accept it for what it is. I really loathe Terminator Salvation.

Half a terminator's mangled arm does not a Skynet make.

The chip was what they were using.

 

[RetrogradeOrbit]

Is there any actual truth to Arnold being in another Terminator movie?

 

[Destructus86]

I think so...still hope he tones up a bit.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

They should just CGI him like they did with Salvation.

 

[Team Andino]

While I'm wondering if it'll be another time travel movie or Arnold being used as part of the resistance. While I love one and two I enjoy the third and forth. I'm kinda happy to know there will be another one in the franchise. Even if it's bad it's not going to kill it for me. I still have the incredible first two films to forever remember these by.

 

[MadVillainy]

Paramount in Talks to Distribute Next TERMINATOR Film
by Adam Chitwood Posted: June 11th, 2013 at 5:36 pm


Moves are being made with regards to the next Terminator film. If you’ll recall, the rights to the franchise were put up for auction in 2011, at which point Megan Ellison’s Annapurna Pictures picked up the rights to produce the next installment in the series. Very little movement has been made since that time, but Megan’s brother David Ellison (True Grit, Star Trek Into Darkness) singed on to be the financial and creative partner on the project via his Skydance Productions banner last December, and the Ellison siblings tapped Laeta Kalogridis (Shutter Island) and Patrick Lussier (Drive Angry) to start working on a script for Terminator 5 earlier this year.

Now The Wrap reports that Paramount Pictures is in talks to acquire distribution rights to the next Terminator pic, which makes perfect sense given that Skydance has a strong partnership with Paramount. Arnold Schwarzenegger is expected to return for the next film, and with distribution nearly settled, we should start seeing firm movement towards production on Terminator 5 very soon.

http://collider.com/terminator-5-paramount/

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

So Paramount huh? The most important thing is who will write it and then who will direct it. Arnold's too old and seems to have become a worse actor so I'm still not thrilled about the prospect of his involvement.