Ascension (Syfy space travel miniseries)

I didn't catch any trace of a relationship, either... it just seemed to be a throwaway line when it was mentioned that the agent was gay... looking back on it, what was the point of even mentioning that fact, really?
 
I didn't catch any trace of a relationship, either... it just seemed to be a throwaway line when it was mentioned that the agent was gay... looking back on it, what was the point of even mentioning that fact, really?

To show how progressive the show is...look we got a lesbian character.
 
Okay...I'm going to watch this now...but boy...for this to be the start of a new, higher quality SyFy Channel, this show's reviews are freaking awful.
 
Okay...watched it...uh...wow...

This seemed like about 20 hours worth of story shoved into 4 hours. As a result, there are characters who are set up to be important that just disappear, and then characters who appear out of nowhere in the end (or were severely underdeveloped) and are very important to the end.

Also, a lot of things depended on coincidence. Lorelei's boyfriend somehow knew that she hid a movie underwater...and I'm not entirely sure how that movie played into the resolution. Wasn't it just some old movie? And then the captain left that trinket behind in Lorelei's room so that the little girl could find it? Did they ever bother to reveal who stole Lorelei's computer and uploaded the video???

And the boyfriend quickly fell in love with Lorelei's best friend? In fact...was there ANYBODY in this show that wasn't having sex with each other??

Meanwhile, I watched this because Michelle Mylett is in it (and for the record, I'm sure that the computer program would choose for her and I to procreate)...but why was she in this??? Her character added NOTHING. She was just the friend of Nora who seemed like she'd be a main star, but then Nora disappeared from the plot and was actually just herding a random pig during the climax...so why does she need a best friend character that wastes precious screen time? Maybe instead, Mylett's character could have been merged with the blonde prostitute who showed up midway through and played a huge role and then disappeared again. One character who was a young, ambitious "stewardess" and worked her way into an important position would have given that character a bit more depth. Like I said though...ultimately we don't even need Nora in the show because she was a plot that went nowhere. This was an issue throughout...as the show was crowded with characters who took up time and then ultimately didn't matter...and then the final climactic fight was between the main "hero" and a guy we had never even met until a few minutes before. Why is a stranger involved in THE climax?? Couldn't you have had the "inside man" want to remove the girl from the ship, and have him fight in the end? Sure, he was under-developed as well...but at least he had SOME character earlier in the show!

Speaking of which...GHOSTS???? SUPER POWERS??? What was all that nonsense? The concept was strong enough that it didn't need it. Are we supposed to believe that a computer program picking sex partners would create a HUGE evolutionary leap in TWO generations????

But the basic concept was fine in an Illuminati sort of way. There's this unseen power structure that is guiding society, even causing disasters...and even running its own controlled opposition...to shape and control the future of mankind. I get that...but ultimately it's derailed by the ghost and super powers nonsense.

If this culture is stuck in the 1960's, why did it seem so progressive? One of the highest ranking guys (and our main "hero" despite him being kind of a scumbag) is a black guy. The entire society seemed perfectly fine with prostitution. The period they launched from was SUCH a turbulent time...and yet there were NO signs of that. Sure, they had a lower level that were seen as beneath the higher levels, but it was kind of randomly thrown in from time to time. Even the main investigator lady...I think I'm supposed to think that she found her humanity because, as a lesbian, she saw that this eugenics type experiment was kind of Nazi-esque...but it failed to actually show her emotional arc...and given that blacks had quickly risen to leadership positions and sexuality was open and free...her complaints ring a bit hollow.

The characters were so poorly developed that I spent half the run time trying to figure out who was related (for instance, the little girl spent most of the film with the doctor lady, but then her mom showed up in a cameo as a random drunk).

Anyway...a total mess.
 
Okay...watched it...uh...wow...

This seemed like about 20 hours worth of story shoved into 4 hours. As a result, there are characters who are set up to be important that just disappear, and then characters who appear out of nowhere in the end (or were severely underdeveloped) and are very important to the end.

Also, a lot of things depended on coincidence. Lorelei's boyfriend somehow knew that she hid a movie underwater...and I'm not entirely sure how that movie played into the resolution. Wasn't it just some old movie? And then the captain left that trinket behind in Lorelei's room so that the little girl could find it? Did they ever bother to reveal who stole Lorelei's computer and uploaded the video???

And the boyfriend quickly fell in love with Lorelei's best friend? In fact...was there ANYBODY in this show that wasn't having sex with each other??

Meanwhile, I watched this because Michelle Mylett is in it (and for the record, I'm sure that the computer program would choose for her and I to procreate)...but why was she in this??? Her character added NOTHING. She was just the friend of Nora who seemed like she'd be a main star, but then Nora disappeared from the plot and was actually just herding a random pig during the climax...so why does she need a best friend character that wastes precious screen time? Maybe instead, Mylett's character could have been merged with the blonde prostitute who showed up midway through and played a huge role and then disappeared again. One character who was a young, ambitious "stewardess" and worked her way into an important position would have given that character a bit more depth. Like I said though...ultimately we don't even need Nora in the show because she was a plot that went nowhere. This was an issue throughout...as the show was crowded with characters who took up time and then ultimately didn't matter...and then the final climactic fight was between the main "hero" and a guy we had never even met until a few minutes before. Why is a stranger involved in THE climax?? Couldn't you have had the "inside man" want to remove the girl from the ship, and have him fight in the end? Sure, he was under-developed as well...but at least he had SOME character earlier in the show!

Speaking of which...GHOSTS???? SUPER POWERS??? What was all that nonsense? The concept was strong enough that it didn't need it. Are we supposed to believe that a computer program picking sex partners would create a HUGE evolutionary leap in TWO generations????

But the basic concept was fine in an Illuminati sort of way. There's this unseen power structure that is guiding society, even causing disasters...and even running its own controlled opposition...to shape and control the future of mankind. I get that...but ultimately it's derailed by the ghost and super powers nonsense.

If this culture is stuck in the 1960's, why did it seem so progressive? One of the highest ranking guys (and our main "hero" despite him being kind of a scumbag) is a black guy. The entire society seemed perfectly fine with prostitution. The period they launched from was SUCH a turbulent time...and yet there were NO signs of that. Sure, they had a lower level that were seen as beneath the higher levels, but it was kind of randomly thrown in from time to time. Even the main investigator lady...I think I'm supposed to think that she found her humanity because, as a lesbian, she saw that this eugenics type experiment was kind of Nazi-esque...but it failed to actually show her emotional arc...and given that blacks had quickly risen to leadership positions and sexuality was open and free...her complaints ring a bit hollow.

The characters were so poorly developed that I spent half the run time trying to figure out who was related (for instance, the little girl spent most of the film with the doctor lady, but then her mom showed up in a cameo as a random drunk).

Anyway...a total mess.

I agreed with a lot of what you said.
My take is that the Ascension people are not stuck in the 60's. It's still 2014 to them but their society has a 60's feel to it. Plus the guy on the outside was micromanaging the whole thing.
 
Like I said before...too many characters. Cutting the major roster in half would have been an improvement as the time could have been used on more development. Also, it would have been less confusing and less need for a relationship chart.
 
Like I said before...too many characters. Cutting the major roster in half would have been an improvement as the time could have been used on more development. Also, it would have been less confusing and less need for a relationship chart.

agreed...
 
As I said, you could absolutely go through the cast and merge characters together, eliminating half the cast, and giving those who were left more time to develop their characters without constantly having to keep a checklist of who is having sex with each other. When you have a cast this massive, why are you wasting so much time on go nowhere characters and their meaningless subplots?
 
Okay...watched it...uh...wow...

This seemed like about 20 hours worth of story shoved into 4 hours. As a result, there are characters who are set up to be important that just disappear, and then characters who appear out of nowhere in the end (or were severely underdeveloped) and are very important to the end.

Also, a lot of things depended on coincidence. Lorelei's boyfriend somehow knew that she hid a movie underwater...and I'm not entirely sure how that movie played into the resolution. Wasn't it just some old movie? And then the captain left that trinket behind in Lorelei's room so that the little girl could find it? Did they ever bother to reveal who stole Lorelei's computer and uploaded the video???

And the boyfriend quickly fell in love with Lorelei's best friend? In fact...was there ANYBODY in this show that wasn't having sex with each other??

Meanwhile, I watched this because Michelle Mylett is in it (and for the record, I'm sure that the computer program would choose for her and I to procreate)...but why was she in this??? Her character added NOTHING. She was just the friend of Nora who seemed like she'd be a main star, but then Nora disappeared from the plot and was actually just herding a random pig during the climax...so why does she need a best friend character that wastes precious screen time? Maybe instead, Mylett's character could have been merged with the blonde prostitute who showed up midway through and played a huge role and then disappeared again. One character who was a young, ambitious "stewardess" and worked her way into an important position would have given that character a bit more depth. Like I said though...ultimately we don't even need Nora in the show because she was a plot that went nowhere. This was an issue throughout...as the show was crowded with characters who took up time and then ultimately didn't matter...and then the final climactic fight was between the main "hero" and a guy we had never even met until a few minutes before. Why is a stranger involved in THE climax?? Couldn't you have had the "inside man" want to remove the girl from the ship, and have him fight in the end? Sure, he was under-developed as well...but at least he had SOME character earlier in the show!

Speaking of which...GHOSTS???? SUPER POWERS??? What was all that nonsense? The concept was strong enough that it didn't need it. Are we supposed to believe that a computer program picking sex partners would create a HUGE evolutionary leap in TWO generations????

But the basic concept was fine in an Illuminati sort of way. There's this unseen power structure that is guiding society, even causing disasters...and even running its own controlled opposition...to shape and control the future of mankind. I get that...but ultimately it's derailed by the ghost and super powers nonsense.

If this culture is stuck in the 1960's, why did it seem so progressive? One of the highest ranking guys (and our main "hero" despite him being kind of a scumbag) is a black guy. The entire society seemed perfectly fine with prostitution. The period they launched from was SUCH a turbulent time...and yet there were NO signs of that. Sure, they had a lower level that were seen as beneath the higher levels, but it was kind of randomly thrown in from time to time. Even the main investigator lady...I think I'm supposed to think that she found her humanity because, as a lesbian, she saw that this eugenics type experiment was kind of Nazi-esque...but it failed to actually show her emotional arc...and given that blacks had quickly risen to leadership positions and sexuality was open and free...her complaints ring a bit hollow.

The characters were so poorly developed that I spent half the run time trying to figure out who was related (for instance, the little girl spent most of the film with the doctor lady, but then her mom showed up in a cameo as a random drunk).

Anyway...a total mess.

You touch on the main problem I have with the twist. The show was sold on a very interesting premise, one that was fairly unique for television, about exploring the culture and structure of this isolated, time locked society that built up around a peculiar goal that asks everything of people who had no say in the matter. The twist does away with that and replaces it with a huge Illuminati-style conspiracy to progress the evolution of the human race, AKA "the same cliche stuff we've seen in schlocky genre TV shows again and again since the early 90s."

What's worse, the twist and what the show is actually about has **** all to do with the bait and switch premise. There's no connectivity there at all. It really feels like a move that was calculated for maximum shock value without any actual narrative point to it all.
 
You touch on the main problem I have with the twist. The show was sold on a very interesting premise, one that was fairly unique for television, about exploring the culture and structure of this isolated, time locked society that built up around a peculiar goal that asks everything of people who had no say in the matter. The twist does away with that and replaces it with a huge Illuminati-style conspiracy to progress the evolution of the human race, AKA "the same cliche stuff we've seen in schlocky genre TV shows again and again since the early 90s."

What's worse, the twist and what the show is actually about has **** all to do with the bait and switch premise. There's no connectivity there at all. It really feels like a move that was calculated for maximum shock value without any actual narrative point to it all.

My issue is that you could have had the twist, but STILL focused on the idea of a social structure that left Earth during the 60's...but there was no bother to actually show that the society was different aside from a few token things like the "who gets to have a baby" party. Like you said, the main idea was just cast aside quickly. Of course...I never even saw a trailer or read a single article on this show, so I wasn't affected by that. I just randomly saw that Michelle Mylett was in this the other day so I decided to watch (because it's sci-fi or Horror...I'm not watching a romantic comedy just because she's in it).
 
My issue is that you could have had the twist, but STILL focused on the idea of a social structure that left Earth during the 60's...but there was no bother to actually show that the society was different aside from a few token things like the "who gets to have a baby" party. Like you said, the main idea was just cast aside quickly. Of course...I never even saw a trailer or read a single article on this show, so I wasn't affected by that. I just randomly saw that Michelle Mylett was in this the other day so I decided to watch (because it's sci-fi or Horror...I'm not watching a romantic comedy just because she's in it).

I want to stress, it's not that I'm mad that I was "lied to" or anything. The nature of twists requires the storytellers to lie to you. What I don't like about this miniseries is that it felt like they had the twist simply because they thought that a cool twist would grab people's attentions instead of having any actual thematic or narrative purpose behind it, and that the twist traded an interesting premise for a very tired and generic one.
 
Snowpiercer did a much better job of showing some of these concepts, in less than half the time.
 
Ok I finally caught the whole series and as a whole I liked it. I thought it had a ton of promise. The true goal of the experiment is quite fascinating to be honest. The curve ball they threw in the first episode about the sociological experiment made more sense than interstellar travel taking place in the 60's. Then in the finale you see the real theory about space travel the doctor had. It's a crazy idea for it to happen that way, but I'll buy it.

There is a lot of promise in this series. I would like to know if they will ever meet up with Gault and Midici again. I'm sold, I hope it gets picked up.
 
Deadline - ‘Ascension’ Not Going To Series At Syfy

http://deadline.com/2015/03/ascension-not-going-as-series-syfy-1201389677/

“We were very happy with Ascension as an event series, but with so much high profile development in the works, we have decided not to pursue a full series,” Syfy said in a statement to Deadline.

It is unclear whether the project’s producers, Universal Cable Prods., Lionsgate TV and Jason Blum’s Blumhouse Prods., will try to shop the potential series elsewhere.
 
In other words the ratings weren't good enough.
 
they're disappointed that Ascension wasn't good enough for a series and yet they CANCELLED Alphas?!?... these SyFy people have ALWAYS had a major mental malfunction going for them... :doh:
 
I think it was a mistake to make what was clearly a 6 hour pilot, rather than do an actual mini-series. I'm not upset, since I wasn't thrilled with the idea of this as a series anyway.
 

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