Astral Projection - Any Scientific Proof?

[bullets]

It's strange I didn't see this thread the first time. I've done it before , but got scared and backed away from it. It's a strange phenomenon and I recommend any newcomers tread carefully.

 

[Airwings]

It can't be proved by science just as it can't be proved that an author wrote the last page of a book first (unless there's a witness). We just have to take the word for it.

 

[Teelie]

Man how do people even find random threads from 3 years ago and post on them? Seems like a lot of effort

And a single post from a new member who just signed up too. I saw that yesterday but didn't want to bring it up until they had a chance to post again but so far have not.

 

[The End]

A lot of 3 dimensional thinking here. The fact that people need "scientific evidence" to prove it, shows how lost most souls are, and why the ascension to 4th dimensional awareness has basically stopped.

Psychology is a very close minded field, with incredible biases. I am a student of Psychology, and I will say this first hand.

The notion that something can't be deemed as fact because we can't prove it with science shows the problems when it comes to understanding how consciousness works. Already in a box.

What?

 

[wwfjdraw]

I'm here, listening.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

One of the new ideas in quantum theory is that time and space are not fundamental aspects of reality. this idea postulates that time and space are only mental constructs that exist only under certain conditions. While I do not understand the math, it is based on the inability to reconcile mathematically various aspects of what has so far been considered real. However it seems that if you accept that time/space are not fundamental to reality the equations work out better. If I understand the idea (which I may very well not) it suggests that the physical world we are so familiar with is not "real" and that only consciousness is real. Since the world is only in effect a virtual reality you are never really present in it and thus your "death" in it is no more real than anything else that happens. In relation to this thread it would seem according to this idea that only astral projection is real and that presence in the physical body is what does not actually exist, that it is essentially only an illusion/delusion.

 

[Dream Hacker]

When you have a lucid dream, even in an Out of Body Experience (OBE), you don't actually leave your body even if it feels like you are leaving. A lot of people call the spiritual interpretation of an OBE, astral projection.

1. According to Wikipedia: Astral projection (or astral travel) is an interpretation of out-of-body experience (OBE) that assumes the existence of an "astralbody" separate from the physical body and capable of travelling outside it. Astral projection or travel denotes the astral body leaving the physical body to travel in an astralplane.

There are differing viewpoints about the validity of astral projection. For scientists, they tend to dismiss it because there’s a lack of physical evidence. Personally, I also take a more logical, scientific approach.

For centuries people have claimed to see evil spirits when falling asleep. We now know that when we enter REM sleep (the phase of sleep in which we dream) we experience Sleep Paralysis (something I go over in the course).

During sleep paralysis our body movements are shut down to prevent us acting out our dreams. Sometimes we experiences visual hallucinations during sleep paralysis, which explains why so many people have claimed to see demons or evil spirits. But they're not real, it's all a trick of the mind.

When you feel like you’re leaving your body, you can call that floating entity your ‘spirit body’ or you can call it your ‘dream body’ – it’s all a matter of perception and belief.

In my opinion, the idea of ‘leaving your body’ is a powerful illusion created by your mind based on your beliefs. In a lot of my lucid dreams, I imagine I’m in my bedroom and floating out of my body around my house – almost convinced that I’m having an OBE or astral projection experience – but eventually, I realized that it was just a dream state that I created from within my own mind.

Again, this is just my opinion. Some people who really believe in spirit leaving the body would argue with me – but in the end, we would go nowhere because no one can prove anything.

This is a very controversial topic because it touches upon all of our individual beliefs about religion, I personally don't believe we actually leave our bodies.

 

[Destructus86]

I place Astral Projection in the same category as spell craft and levitation. Tricks of the mind or simply not true.

I agree...they don't leave the body.

 

[KevanG]

I'm here, listening.

And apparently died while waiting for someone to talk to him.

 

[Reef Goddess]

I believe it exists, having experienced it myself when I was younger.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

There have been many documented cases where people have described objects and events that would have been visible only from the location that they seemed to be in their astral projection such as objects on high shelves out of sight of the floor and events and conversations many miles away that were occurring at the same time. The idea of it all being an illusion may very well be true in many of the cases but it cannot even come close to explaining the many documented cases that show evidence otherwise.

 

[Piper Maru]

l'm Astral projecting so hard right now lol.

 

[Reef Goddess]

l'm Astral projecting so hard right now lol.

Then how are you typing?

 

[Piper Maru]

molecular manipulation lol omfg.

 

[Guts]

Remote viewing other hype members is the best.

 

[DarkSentinel]

You're a sick freak, ronin.

 

[Spider2099]

No, it's not real and there's no evidence for it. The mind and body are not separate: the mind is something the brain does and is not removable from it.

 

[Enriquespy]

There have been many documented cases where people have described objects and events that would have been visible only from the location that they seemed to be in their astral projection such as objects on high shelves out of sight of the floor and events and conversations many miles away that were occurring at the same time. The idea of it all being an illusion may very well be true in many of the cases but it cannot even come close to explaining the many documented cases that show evidence otherwise.

Excelent!!!! link to these cases documentation?

Where the results of these cases peer reviewed?

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Inadvertent duplicate.

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

From the Wikipedia entry on "Remote Viewing"

"There is no credible scientific evidence that remote viewing works, and the topic of remote viewing has been described as pseudoscience."

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_viewing

I like to think I keep a pretty open mind, what with the fantastically true and very real things about our universe, but there seems to be no credible or substantial proof about remote viewing or astral projection whatsoever.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

A atheist friend of mine has basically proven to me (without even trying hard at all) that there is no afterlife, that once we die, that is it.

And in what way did he proved that??

I believe in the afterlife, i believe in reincarnation, but...can i prove it?
No!
As such, my beliefs are not set in stone, i don't dismiss that i can very well be wrong and there is nothing after death but oblivion.
I don't fear that idea, but i don't believe in it either.
Why don't i?
It's called rationalization.

Ask yourself, are you body or are you mind?
Are you your actions or your thoughts?
We know for a fact that there is no actions without thought, it's impossible; but there is thought without action.
Even to walk, it all starts in the brain, by a thought process.

Besides, it's all about thinking for a bit, do you really believe that life is just a cosmic accident?
What an amazing accident that is

I'm not religious, i not not believe in the biblical God, i do not believe in Heaven/Hell nor in a punishment/reward system (which is basically heaven and hell), but there are things you can think about by only using your own rationalization.

Now, about astral projection, about OBEs...i don't know if they are true or not.
Just because i believe in more than meets the eye doesn't make me a believer of everything just because it suits me.
For all i know, OBEs can very well be no more than hallucinations.

 

[Greens]

Now, about astral projection, about OBEs...i don't know if they are true or not.
Just because i believe in more than meets the eye doesn't make me a believer of everything just because it suits me.
For all i know, OBEs can very well be no more than hallucinations.

It's not really about true or not true. When someone describes such an experience, we have to ponder... is there a more logical explanation. If there is, why still assume the supernatural? You're making up your own reality at that point.

The problem with wwfjdraw's atheist friend is that he presumes to disprove an unfalsifiable hypothesis. You can't possibly disprove an afterlife of any sort. We do think that an afterlife is unlikely. Don't be afraid to not know.

 

[jaqua99]

It doesn't matter if it's proven true, or a proven hallucination. My experiences with it are my experiences. They've led to other spiritual adventures, and have become part of certain life styles and certain philosophies. Believing in this type of stuff, and applying these philosophies to my life due to my own intuition is all I need. Because the result is that I'm better, and doing better than I've ever been in my life.

I don't understand why people need to be condescending towards people who believe in this stuff. It's not about whether or not it's real or not. That doesn't matter, the experience is still the same.

 

[Enriquespy]

Sooo... like the placebo effect?

 

[jaqua99]

Yes. And no. Reality is exactly what you make of it. It's all subjective