Avengers Captain Marvel goof

[ZIPBAGS]

So I am watching “The Avrngers” and when they are all discussing about Shields use of the Tesserect to make weapons. Fury says the reason is that when Thor came to Earth and fought here they realized they weren’t alone in the universe. Uhh...didn’t he find that out 15yrs earlier?

 

[Darkprime]

So I am watching “The Avrngers” and when they are all discussing about Shields use of the Tesserect to make weapons. Fury says the reason is that when Thor came to Earth and fought here they realized they weren’t alone in the universe. Uhh...didn’t he find that out 15yrs earlier?

The only explanation I can think of is that he kept his encounter with Carol off the books so as far as SHIELD was concerned Thor was their first alien encounter.

 

[Web-Head]

"He's a spy. Captain, he's the spy. His secrets have secrets."

 

[NHawk19]

"He's a spy. Captain, he's the spy. His secrets have secrets."

yup
I don think he refers to himself. He may have meant for it to be inferred that he was included though. I think the way it's worded it could also be interpreted that be that the entire world just got confirmation of aliens.

 

[jolldan]

If I remember correctly Captain Marvel has another little plot hole surrounding his eye that he mentions in CAWS.

 

[Appfanincaaland]

While we are talking Capt Marvel goofs, wouldn't it have made more sense for her call sign to be Carol "Marvel" Danvers rather than Carol "Avenger" Danvers?

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

The real answer to this is, at the time they did that line, they didn't know they were going to make a Captain Marvel film with aliens and Fury set in the '90s.

And I don't want Marvel's hands tied, so if they decide they want to do something with the X-Men, for example, that might contradict some little detail that had come before, I'm going to give them some slack. I don't want to limit the scope of what we can see because somebody said something at some point in the previous films that would seem contradictory.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

While we are talking Capt Marvel goofs, wouldn't it have made more sense for her call sign to be Carol "Marvel" Danvers rather than Carol "Avenger" Danvers?

It makes more sense to me than an avenge, with presupposes hitting back after a loss, term for the mission Avengers were recruited for. The coincidence of the Captain's patron/mentor name being Mar-Vell could still be there for the Captain Marvel movie.

 

[BoredGuy]

The real answer to this is, at the time they did that line, they didn't know they were going to make a Captain Marvel film with aliens and Fury set in the '90s.

Real Answer

The only explanation I can think of is that he kept his encounter with Carol off the books so as far as SHIELD was concerned Thor was their first alien encounter.

Official Answer

 

[Mike Murdock]

"He's a spy. Captain, he's the spy. His secrets have secrets."

Yeah, he literally had just been caught in a lie and was trying to explain it. Is there no reason to believe he suddenly decided to go with the truth when another lie would work just as well.

 

[Leenie]

The entire Captain Marvel movie was a mistake.

And for people to say that Fury was lying in the Avengers, well ...

 

[InCali]

The entire Captain Marvel movie was a mistake.

And for people to say that Fury was lying in the Avengers, well ...

Yup. A 1.1B dollar mistake that a lot of people obviously liked. I'm sure Disney is very depressed that it ever got off the ground. Willie has the right idea. I want to see a movie I enjoy and if it has some inconsistencies from the storyline of a movie 8-10 years ago, that's not something I'm going to worry about.

 

[Leenie]

Yup. A 1.1B dollar mistake that a lot of people obviously liked. I'm sure Disney is very depressed that it ever got off the ground. Willie has the right idea. I want to see a movie I enjoy and if it has some inconsistencies from the storyline of a movie 8-10 years ago, that's not something I'm going to worry about.

Go ahead, like it all you want. Literally nobody is stopping you.

It making a billion dollars doesn't equal quality to me. I've found that many billion dollar movies have been garbage, actually.

It's like, people have different opinions, or something. Amaaaazing.

 

[BigThor]

The real answer to this is, at the time they did that line, they didn't know they were going to make a Captain Marvel film with aliens and Fury set in the '90s.

And I don't want Marvel's hands tied, so if they decide they want to do something with the X-Men, for example, that might contradict some little detail that had come before, I'm going to give them some slack. I don't want to limit the scope of what we can see because somebody said something at some point in the previous films that would seem contradictory.

Word up

 

[Mike Murdock]

The entire Captain Marvel movie was a mistake.

And for people to say that Fury was lying in the Avengers, well ...

Was it lazy writing in the Avengers 20 minutes earlier when he was lying to them?

 

[Leenie]

Was it lazy writing in the Avengers 20 minutes earlier when he was lying to them?

Not at all.

"They needed a push." There was a purpose for him lying about that.

What would be the purpose of Fury lying to these heroes about Carol? The Avengers aren't SHIELD, and as far as we know, Fury didn't have a reason to even withhold that information from SHIELD at that point since he didn't know about HYDRA's infiltration. If he withheld the information about Captain Marvel from everyone for all of this time, then why go on about how "hilariously outgunned" Earth is in 2012? Dude was on a freakin' spaceship before the first Thor movie happened; was able to see firsthand what the Kree was capable of doing. And no, "Captain Marvel has our back" is obviously not a good excuse for that, since she effed off in space and had no intention of coming back to Earth unless Fury called her.

The fact of the matter is that Marvel Studios had not planned a Captain Marvel movie back in 2012, and they wanted to shoehorn her into the final Avengers movie. In a sad attempt to not make it feel so shoehorned, they gave her a solo movie set in the past to give the illusion that "she was here this entire time!"

Lazy. Writing.

I'm a big fan of the MCU-- it's my favorite movie saga/franchise of all time. But the Captain Marvel movie wasn't it, chief. It's the only MCU movie that I flat-out hate.

EDIT: Just realized you were probably talking about Fury lying about SHIELD making weapons with the Tesseract. He still had a reason to lie to the Avengers about that. My point still stands. He knew that they wouldn't help him if he had told them the entire truth ... Especially Banner, Stark, and Cap (and it is perfectly established in their Phase I solo movies as to why they wouldn't have helped if they had known from the get-go). Literally, in the argument the entire group was having before things hit the fan on the Helicarrier, the Avengers voiced their dismay about the thought of helping SHIELD making weapons of mass destruction with the Cube.

 

[Flint Marko]

The fact of the matter is that Marvel Studios had not planned a Captain Marvel movie back in 2012, and they wanted to shoehorn her into the final Avengers movie. In a sad attempt to not make it feel so shoehorned, they gave her a solo movie set in the past to give the illusion that "she was here this entire time!"

.....you really think they made a Captain Marvel movie solely so they could include her as a side character in the last Avengers movie?

Hate the movie all you want, that’s a stretch if I’ve ever seen one.

 

[Leenie]

.....you really think they made a Captain Marvel movie solely so they could include her as a side character in the last Avengers movie?

Hate the movie all you want, that’s a stretch if I’ve ever seen one.

Captain Marvel is apparently the new frontrunner of the MCU. No better way to get people interested than to put her in the last Avengers movie. Plus, look at the press tour; they are advertising her as if she has a big role in the movie, and most people are surprised that she wasn't nearly as prominent as hyped. And the hype started with Infinity War's post credits scene with the pager. Why all of this hype for a side character in the final movie of the saga?

While she didn't come close to ruining Endgame for me, I still believe she shouldn't have been in the movie. At all. She was shoehorned in.

 

[eon001]

The entire Captain Marvel movie was a mistake.

And for people to say that Fury was lying in the Avengers, well ...

Not really. Why would a spy disclose sensitive information to people he barley knows? Heck he lied to Captain America about the real reason he was rescuing the Shield agents in Winter soldier. Information is on a need to know basis.

Thor and Loki are perfect cover for him to lie about making the tesseract weapons.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

for that matter when Agent Coulson kept saying that he's from "S.H.I.E.L.D... were new" back in Ironman no one knew who they were, but young Fury was flashing around a S.H.I.E.L.D badge in hte 90's to the general public like it was no big deal and they were a known agency... though, this has already been re-canted in Agent Carter/ Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D... that would suggest S.H.I.E.L.D has always been around

 

[Web-Head]

for that matter when Agent Coulson kept saying that he's from "S.H.I.E.L.D... were new" back in Ironman no one knew who they were, but young Fury was flashing around a S.H.I.E.L.D badge in hte 90's to the general public like it was no big deal and they were a known agency... though, this has already been re-canted in Agent Carter/ Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D... that would suggest S.H.I.E.L.D has always been around

That bugged me when watching the end of Iron Man on T.V. the other day. Coulson was acting like they weren't "S.H.I.E.L.D." yet but they were the "Strategic Homeland..."

 

[metaphysician]

.....you really think they made a Captain Marvel movie solely so they could include her as a side character in the last Avengers movie?

Hate the movie all you want, that’s a stretch if I’ve ever seen one.

I wouldn't go that far, but I *would* say that the plan for quite some time was for Carol to be part of the big Avengers finale. The problem was that the movie kept getting pushed back, so the movie we did get? Was in part influenced by the need to get her out there before her mandatory crossover debut.

Basically, if not for Perlmutter, I suspect that the Captain Marvel movie would have probably happened back in Phase 2 or at the very beginning of Phase 3, and would have been substantially different.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

for that matter when Agent Coulson kept saying that he's from "S.H.I.E.L.D... were new" back in Ironman no one knew who they were, but young Fury was flashing around a S.H.I.E.L.D badge in hte 90's to the general public like it was no big deal and they were a known agency... though, this has already been re-canted in Agent Carter/ Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D... that would suggest S.H.I.E.L.D has always been around

I just had a head canon that S.H.I.E.L.D was like NCIS before the TV show. Some knew who they were if in the Naval services, or a law enforcement agency which had worked with them before but the general public would not react to "freeze shield" like they would to "freeze police".