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thanks.

I'm going to check out the individual prices for the DLC, cuz from the sound of it, it seems only the Batgirl DLC and possibly the Season of Infamy one feel "substantial."

the Nightwing and Red Hood DLC seem really short.
 
Scarecrow was great, but the competition wasn't exactly stiff. Who stood a chance of overshadowing him when the bulk of the great villains were reduced to side missions? The only other good villain who had a substantial role in the story was Ivy. Arkham Knight was a bore of a character.

So much for the whole villains working together to take down Batman.

The Joker. He was very good and funny in a lot of his scenes (especially when he serenaded Batman and did his impression of Penguin). When done well, the Joker has the ability to outshine anyone, even if he is not the main villain or the most important character. There were other characters that were more important to the storyline, but Joker is still one of the first characters I think of when I think of this game. He was quite memorable IMO. It took the best version of Scarecrow ever to outshine him IMO. His voice was so grave and perfectly fit the character. "Death will come to those who follow you" was a great line. Any other version of Scarecrow would have been outshone by Joker I would say, even though Joker had a lesser role.

There are a lot of other villains that I think would have been outshone and that I would have considered less memorable than Joker too. The Arkham Knight was ok IMO but a bit but annoying and whiny. When there is more than one villain used then it can take away from the main villain but I don't think that the Arkham Knight or Joker took anything away from Scarecrow. When I think of this game Scarecrow is the first character I think of and that is how it should be IMO, the main villain should generally be very memorable (not necessarily always more memorable than the hero but certainly more memorable than the other villains). He was definitely one of the better villains that I have seen in a movie, film, comic or book in the last few years.
 
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thanks.

I'm going to check out the individual prices for the DLC, cuz from the sound of it, it seems only the Batgirl DLC and possibly the Season of Infamy one feel "substantial."

the Nightwing and Red Hood DLC seem really short.

Red Hood and Harley Quinn are both really short. This season pass is in no way worth $40.
 
Red Hood and Harley Quinn are both really short. This season pass is in no way worth $40.

I am glad I didn't buy it. I will probably get the Batgirl one and the season of Infamy one. Maybe some of the others too, but from the look/sound of things it doesn't seem to have been worth the money.
 
I bought the season pass for $28 on Batman day. Why? It was $12 off, and I had already gotten a review copy of the game for free, so I felt that justified the purchase.

But $40? No way.

But Red Hood and Harley Quinn are basically only challenge maps that are linked together. The Red Hood thing basically tells us nothing. OK, Jason Todd is Red Hood now. How did that happen? When did that happen? Does the Bat Family know what's going on with that?
 
I bought the season pass for $28 on Batman day. Why? It was $12 off, and I had already gotten a review copy of the game for free, so I felt that justified the purchase.

But $40? No way.

But Red Hood and Harley Quinn are basically only challenge maps that are linked together. The Red Hood thing basically tells us nothing. OK, Jason Todd is Red Hood now. How did that happen? When did that happen? Does the Bat Family know what's going on with that?

It happened in the last thirty seconds of his appearance in the game where he just suddenly makes his helmet red and starts saving Batman with no closure whatsoever. Brilliant writing.
 
The Joker. He was very good and funny in a lot of his scenes (especially when he serenaded Batman and did his impression of Penguin). When done well, the Joker has the ability to outshine anyone, even if he is not the main villain or the most important character. There were other characters that were more important to the storyline, but Joker is still one of the first characters I think of when I think of this game. He was quite memorable IMO. It took the best version of Scarecrow ever to outshine him IMO. His voice was so grave and perfectly fit the character. "Death will come to those who follow you" was a great line. Any other version of Scarecrow would have been outshone by Joker I would say, even though Joker had a lesser role.

There are a lot of other villains that I think would have been outshone and that I would have considered less memorable than Joker too. The Arkham Knight was ok IMO but a bit but annoying and whiny. When there is more than one villain used then it can take away from the main villain but I don't think that the Arkham Knight or Joker took anything away from Scarecrow. When I think of this game Scarecrow is the first character I think of and that is how it should be IMO, the main villain should generally be very memorable (not necessarily always more memorable than the hero but certainly more memorable than the other villains). He was definitely one of the better villains that I have seen in a movie, film, comic or book in the last few years.

The Scarecrow didn't outshine the Joker because he was so good. It was because Joker was badly used and over done. He was in your face in nearly every scene in the game. It actually got annoying many times because he'd be there in the background talking over other characters that you're interacting with. He butted into all the key moments with other characters. From telling Gordon Barbara's been abducted, to Jason's reveal, to even the finale which they turned into a Joker centric one. He's the demon you have to beat, not Scarecrow. He's the only part of the finale that allows the player to actually do something, even though it's not even a challenge. This game featured him more than any of the previous games did, and the irony is he was dead this time. Fans were actually looking forward to a game where Joker wouldn't be a focus. They way overdid his presence in the game, to the point that it hurt it. Joker had a bigger role in this game than Scarecrow, but the difference is Scarecrow was quality. Quality over quantity.

Scarecrow had no real quality villains to compete with. They were all either very under used, boring, or annoying. Sad to say that as a Joker fan, but it's true. That's why it's not so impressive to say Scarecrow was the best villain who wasn't outshone. He had no real competition.
 
When is Season of Infamy supposed to be released? any trailer for it yet?
 
Red Hood and Harley Quinn are both really short. This season pass is in no way worth $40.

I bought the season pass for $28 on Batman day. Why? It was $12 off, and I had already gotten a review copy of the game for free, so I felt that justified the purchase.

But $40? No way.

But Red Hood and Harley Quinn are basically only challenge maps that are linked together. The Red Hood thing basically tells us nothing. OK, Jason Todd is Red Hood now. How did that happen? When did that happen? Does the Bat Family know what's going on with that?

thanks.

you just saved me $40.

I'll just buy the Batgirl DLC and Season of Infamy DLC if that looks substantial.
 
Has anyone played the Nightwing DLC yet? That's supposed to come out today, right?
 
The Scarecrow didn't outshine the Joker because he was so good. It was because Joker was badly used and over done. He was in your face in nearly every scene in the game. It actually got annoying many times because he'd be there in the background talking over other characters that you're interacting with. He butted into all the key moments with other characters. From telling Gordon Barbara's been abducted, to Jason's reveal, to even the finale which they turned into a Joker centric one. He's the demon you have to beat, not Scarecrow. He's the only part of the finale that allows the player to actually do something, even though it's not even a challenge. This game featured him more than any of the previous games did, and the irony is he was dead this time. Fans were actually looking forward to a game where Joker wouldn't be a focus. They way overdid his presence in the game, to the point that it hurt it. Joker had a bigger role in this game than Scarecrow, but the difference is Scarecrow was quality. Quality over quantity.

Scarecrow had no real quality villains to compete with. They were all either very under used, boring, or annoying. Sad to say that as a Joker fan, but it's true. That's why it's not so impressive to say Scarecrow was the best villain who wasn't outshone. He had no real competition.

I actually thought Joker was really brilliantly done. I mean grant it, I am a bit Joker out in these games and was hoping for more of an end boss cameo from Joker then what we got.

But what we got was really genius. I mean I grew up with Hamill as Joker. I grew up on BTAS and the movies and JL he was Joker in and all the stuff and really Joker in this game IMO rivals Batman Beyond Return of the Joker. This was one of the best takes on Joker since TDK but even then in all Batman media. I love how they integrated stuff like Killing Joke and Jason Todd's "death" into the Joker flashbacks was really well done. I loved how he really was basically a troll. A demon to Batman. He called Batman out on his ******** numerous of times which was great to see. Involving Joker in this way gave this game such a psychological twist that felt different from previous games. Joker really pushed Batman mentally into trying to prove Batman would kill given the chance. Scenes like when Batman had the gun with all the Jokers around and also the scene in Crime Alley was just handled so well. Also playing as Joker in witnessing Batman's worst fear then playing as Joker in his own worst fear was really well done by Rocksteady. I really feel that the sort of final level they did was better than any generic boss battle. Though wish we got a Scarecrow boss battle like we did in the Batmobile missions.

It's funny since at first I though "Batman turning in Joker doesn't make any sense" only because we saw Batman cure himself in City but when thinking about it, he cured Joker's blood in City. He still has Joker's blood in him just it's cure free now. Basically they are doing Batman Beyond Return of the Joker but instead of a microchip (which let's be honest, how the hell would Joker figure out how to implant a microchip into a 13 year old's brain) it was his blood.

I was completely burned out with Joker before the game. I love AA and AC but even when I played Origins I felt that Baker's Joker and WB Games Montreal's Joker was better than Hamill's Joker in the Arkham series. While I didn't like how it came at the cost of making Black Mask, who we thought was the main villain of Origins, he was just done so well. Then of course AK came out and I just loved how Joker was used in this game. Having him as this demon who keeps pushing Batman and calling him out on his ******** was great.

When it comes to Scarecrow I do agree that besides Joker, the game is lacking villains. I mean no one is bad. Some are great like Pyg, Man-Bat, Penguin (really love the Arkhamverse Penguin) while some are just meh (Deathstroke, Two-Face, Hush).

But I do feel when it comes to the Arkham series, the 5 best villains in no particular order are:

Joker (Arkham Knight)
Scarecrow (Arkham Knight)
Bane (Arkham Origins)
Mr. Freeze (Arkham City)
Deathstroke (Arkham Origins)
 
I think his appearance was well done, but I'd have preferred Joker stayed out of Knight, and they'd used the time spent on him on the other villains, Batman has so many villains capable of carrying a game as main villain, and the only time we get one where Joker isn't the main villain they make sure to give him such a huge presence that he stole a good deal of the main villains thunder.
 
I actually thought Joker was really brilliantly done. I mean grant it, I am a bit Joker out in these games and was hoping for more of an end boss cameo from Joker then what we got.

But what we got was really genius. I mean I grew up with Hamill as Joker. I grew up on BTAS and the movies and JL he was Joker in and all the stuff and really Joker in this game IMO rivals Batman Beyond Return of the Joker. This was one of the best takes on Joker since TDK but even then in all Batman media. I love how they integrated stuff like Killing Joke and Jason Todd's "death" into the Joker flashbacks was really well done. I loved how he really was basically a troll. A demon to Batman. He called Batman out on his ******** numerous of times which was great to see. Involving Joker in this way gave this game such a psychological twist that felt different from previous games. Joker really pushed Batman mentally into trying to prove Batman would kill given the chance. Scenes like when Batman had the gun with all the Jokers around and also the scene in Crime Alley was just handled so well. Also playing as Joker in witnessing Batman's worst fear then playing as Joker in his own worst fear was really well done by Rocksteady. I really feel that the sort of final level they did was better than any generic boss battle. Though wish we got a Scarecrow boss battle like we did in the Batmobile missions.

It's funny since at first I though "Batman turning in Joker doesn't make any sense" only because we saw Batman cure himself in City but when thinking about it, he cured Joker's blood in City. He still has Joker's blood in him just it's cure free now. Basically they are doing Batman Beyond Return of the Joker but instead of a microchip (which let's be honest, how the hell would Joker figure out how to implant a microchip into a 13 year old's brain) it was his blood.

I was completely burned out with Joker before the game. I love AA and AC but even when I played Origins I felt that Baker's Joker and WB Games Montreal's Joker was better than Hamill's Joker in the Arkham series. While I didn't like how it came at the cost of making Black Mask, who we thought was the main villain of Origins, he was just done so well. Then of course AK came out and I just loved how Joker was used in this game. Having him as this demon who keeps pushing Batman and calling him out on his ******** was great.

When it comes to Scarecrow I do agree that besides Joker, the game is lacking villains. I mean no one is bad. Some are great like Pyg, Man-Bat, Penguin (really love the Arkhamverse Penguin) while some are just meh (Deathstroke, Two-Face, Hush).

I really don't see what was so brilliant about it. The only stand out moments was when we got to see him re-enact famous moments from the comics like crippling Barbara and killing Jason. Because they served a purpose. Batman was remembering how he failed to protect his allies/friends before.

We didn't need Joker to call Batman out on what he was doing wrong. We already had Alfred doing that when he was chastising Batman for things like not telling Tim the truth about Barbara's abduction. Listening to Joker go on and on and on and on about Batman putting his allies in danger, when Scarecrow says the same things to him, too, was so redundant and obnoxious. Scenes like that crime alley one were utterly redundant. What was the point of having dozens of Jokers in Crime Alley? No reason. It was just a 'Oh look we're revisiting Batman's parents death again, and Joker is here, too, and for some reason we're fighting dozens of them now'. What was so well done about this? What plot point or character development did it serve for Batman? Not a thing.

The Batman with Joker's blood in him plot also served no purpose. Batman went through all that crap in Arkham City for him to still end up not properly cured at all anyway. He just swapped one form of disease for another. It cheapened Arkham City's story. Which is saying a lot considering AC's story isn't strong to begin with. The only good thing to come from the Joker victim plot was it addressed something fans criticized AC for leaving the poisoning Gotham plot in the air, never telling us how that got sorted, if at all.

Now we're wondering did he cure himself of the new Joker disease in the end, because AK never told us. Henry provided no cure for it either since he turned out to be infected himself.

But I do feel when it comes to the Arkham series, the 5 best villains in no particular order are:

Joker (Arkham Knight)
Scarecrow (Arkham Knight)
Bane (Arkham Origins)
Mr. Freeze (Arkham City)
Deathstroke (Arkham Origins)

I think Asylum, City, and especially Origins Joker were way better than AK's because they actually served a purpose, and were not a redundant presence that spoiled so many good scenes, and the finale of the game, too. In fact I'd put Penguin in AC, Scarecrow in AA, and Poison Ivy in AK over Knight's Joker, too. Those other 4 villains you mentioned, too.
 
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I'd have to put Joker (Origins), Scarecrow (Asylum), Mr. Freeze (City), Poison Ivy (Knight) and Bane (Origins) as the best, personally.
 
Did anyone play Nightwing DLC yet

Yeah, it's the same format as the the Red Hood and Harley map pack (combat, predator, combat). Tbh it's probably my favorite out of the three, but it's still disappointing that it's only three maps mushed together. Nightwing is written to perfection and Gotham during the day looks gorgeous. There's more of a story going on here vs what we saw in the the other DLC packs, but again, it's pretty short so they weren't able to cover much during it.
 
I've come to the conclusion since the Nightwing DLC that Gotham City is actually an elaborate shared delusion by the cast, and that the city was never populated from the first.

How else to explain why, after the city is supposedly at peace again, there are no cars or signs of population anywhere?
 
Probably because it's not worth the time to develop for all that stuff for a story pack that only last like half an hour. I mean, in game reason, I don't know, I guess there comes a point where you just have to accept that you're playing a video game and that things aren't always going to be 100% believable.
 
Yeah or you can always look at it as maybe it's early morning in Gotham, maybe people are still being cautious in going out into the city depending upon how long after the main game it takes place.

Even still if you can't come up with something like that in your head to make you feel better, it's just a short DLC. Not that big of a deal. That makes it look like now you're just looking for things to complain about.
 
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Rocksteady pretty clearly didn't.
 
Free roam with all playable characters would have me playing the game much more often
 
At this point, I'm sure all the DLC has been decided and worked on. That was probably decided before the game even launched, a lot of publishers budget that way now.
 
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