Batman taking the blame for The Two Face murders

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  1. Spidey-Lad93 Registered

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    In the Movie you had a psychopath in The Joker who was killing people through out the movie instead Batman decide to protect the legacy of Harvey Dent by saing he was the one who killed those people why didn't he just say it was the Joker
     
  2. The Endless WE are Groot

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    A question i too have always asked.

    But sometimes you've gotta separate your literal thinking and focus on the bigger theme.
     
  3. The Joker The Clown Prince of Crime

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    First of all The Joker was taken into custody after the Prewitt Building situation when Dent was killed. Second Batman and Gordon would never frame someone else for several murders, even someone like the Joker. Batman took the blame willingly for a greater good.
     
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    The Joker is correct.
     
  5. Travesty Registered

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    I don't really see it as "the greater good". I see it as nonsensical. We were told throughout BB that he wanted to be a symbol, that he wanted to shake people out of apathy. And of course, you start to see that at the beginning of TDK, ie., people are seeing Batman as a positive symbol in Gotham, criminals are scared of him, DAs are now fighting against the mob(with help from Batman), etc. But then to just throw away the already positive symbol, in order to protect the legacy of a man who turned insane(also for nonsensical reasons), is just a bit counter productive.

    Now, don't get me wrong. I understand why they wanted to protect Harvey's name/legacy, but why do that while also tarnishing Batman's? Batman himself is already regarded as a positive symbol to stand up to the criminals and unjust. Why throw all that away, just so Harvey is the only "true" hero? Why not both? Why not just cover up his murders? But of course, they used a scapegoat(who was the actual hero and not the villain), instead of just keeping all of these murders "unsolved mysteries".

    The better option if they needed a scapegoat: blame it all on one of Joker's dead goons. Problem solved, and Batman could still work, and help stop criminals like Selina, who obviously had a mile long rap sheet. But at the same time, you wouldn't have this weird uplifting speech from Gordon at the end, which now makes no sense, since TDKR came out.
     
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    It is not nonsensical. Batman sees in TDK that Harvey Dent is a better symbol than Batman ever can be. Harvey does not inspire murderous copycat vigilantes and things like that.

    Batman's rep got tarnished more because of the Joker. Everyone wanted Batman to turn himself in and blamed him for Joker's madness, like Mrs. Gordon saying Batman brought that craziness on them. The Mayor was also being asked on TV when were they going to arrest the Batman.

    Harvey was a much cleaner, safer, and better symbol than Batman. We polish up our symbols all the time. How many times do you hear ugly things such as:

    - Gandhi referred to Africans as kaffirs (basically same as American N******) when he was a young lawyer in South Africa

    - Documented recordings revealing Martin Luther King Jr running sexual trains with prostitutes with fellow members of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference

    - A panel of experts at BU censored MLK for plagiarizing his doctoral dissertation

    - Nelson Mandela organized terrorist attacks for the ANC prior to being sent to prison

    - Mother Theresa stopped believing in the Christian God towards the end of her life


    The failings of "heroes" are often covered up because the community is served by the good that they symbolize. The stuff like MLK's plagiarizing and sexual indiscretion weren't disclosed for DECADES because it would ruin their legacy

    Blaming it on a dead Joker goon is silly because it would not have worked. There was no dead Joker goon at the site where Harvey died. There was only Batman, Commissioner Gordon, Harvey, and Gordon's wife and children. The Police had made a perimeter around the building.
     
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    The cops came, because Batman asked Gordon to call it in. If he didn't call it in, they could have put the blame on anybody or covered up Harvey's body to begin with. Since he was conveniently missing from the hospital, and nobody knew where he was.

    And yes, blaming it on one of Joker's goons is silly. Just as silly as Batman taking the blame to begin with.
     
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    That is not true. Gordon said to Harvey when the Cops arrived that they knew there was situation and were creating a perimeter. Batman only told Gordon to call them in after Harvey died and they decided he would take the blame. But the Police were already there long before that.

    I'm sorry but I don't agree with you that it's silly Batman took the blame.
     
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    Yeah it's pretty weird they just didn't blame the Joker for the murders.
     

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