Batman, the most unbelivable superhero in all of comics!

[Eros]

Hello their, for anyone reading this, its come to my attention that Batman[and his supporting cast] have become so ubelieveable its laughable. Let me just start with the fact that he is a "powerless" billionare who uses a bat costume and his martial arts and gadgets to fight crime in a vastly crime ridden city. That to me is improbable beyond belief, i dun care how much training you have no "Powerless" being should be able to the things Batmans and his chorts[Robin especially] do every night. Dodging bullets,takeing on numerus armed men[some with powers],leaping from rooftop to rooftop, and basically comeing from all this without much fuss or injury mostly. People like batman alot i suppose because he a "powerless" man who "stands amongts godlike beings". Unless they make Batman and his cohorts metahumans, Batman will remain as simply the most unbelievable/unrealistic hero in comicdom.

Now for my second point on the matter, why do i think Batman is less believable heroes like superman,wonderwoman,green lantern etc? Its easy, we have a valid reason has to why they can fight powerful beings and save the day all the time, they all have superpowers. The fact that superman is invunerble to harm, makes us understand why he can be shot at,blasted,beat up, and hit with big objects and still survive. With Batman, we must beleive he is able to dodge multiple machine gun fire,flame throwers,blasts of enegy, and other things humans at their peek cannot possibly even hope to dodge all at once. The fact is that we have valid reasons [however fantastic] that super powered heroes like superman fight crime everyday, and survive death beacuse that have powers. With Batman we must beleive that if we train really hard, and get really rich, we to can fight crime to. Basically Dc comic[and other comics] makes us beleive that if a regular kid trains really hard, and aquires some money, they can just hop out on the streets[with a costume] and help clean up a crime ridden city.

My third point are the Robins [pick one], who have ussally been anywhere between 11 and 18 years old at max. You expect to even try and beleive that batman trains a 12 to 13 year old kid for sum months, and then he makes him his partner on the streets That to me is the single sillest[ and unbelievable] thing i have ever heard, Batman [and green arrow] are dumbest adults i have ever read of. Who the hell trains ac12 year old, and then makes him his partner, is Bruce Wayne an idiot? Then we must beleive that a 5 foot 3 skinny kid[Robin] can take on dozens of grown armed men at Batman sides[while wearing a brightly colored cotume]. Not to mention that the Robins [save for Jason Todd] usually come through without any injures for the most part.

My next and most important point, Batman being in the Justice League. Batman being in a League full of nearly godlike beings is odd. I admit batman should help them with planning and stategy, but to make people even try and understand how he can never get tired when everyone else is flying and blasting off. How he seems to overcome godly foes [like white martians, the enitre justice League] and yet never seems to be injured or hurt. Batman was able to recover from a broken back/spine but barbara gordan [despite living in a world full of magic, intersteallar space travel,gods, and beings with great healing powers] cannot get her legs healed is dumb.

My last point is simple, to further make sure Batman is relevant they make superman give him a kryptonite ring. Heres why i find this odd, why not give the ring to a being that can atleast match up aganst superman in a fight? If they made superman give the ring to wonderwoman [whos capabale of killing if needed, and a match for superman] that would make more sense. If superman truly went "rogue" he could simply drop a oceanliner on wayne manor and batman would be dead. or superman could fly into deep space, and then fire heat vision down upon batman, the list goes on forever. Ofcoruse this was done to make sure Batman is "Badass" and can "beat" superman cause batmans "badass". Im a huge Baman fan, but the last 20 plus years the character has been more popular thier he ever was, but he has also become completly over the top in terms of trying to make the character into some kind of unbelievable "god"[prep time is dumb buy the way].

 

[Darthphere]

Welcome to comics.

 

[Dwarf lord]

They're superheroes. They wear capes and fight evil in tights. They're all unbelievable.

 

[The Question]

Hello their, for anyone reading this, its come to my attention that Batman[and his supporting cast] have become so ubelieveable its laughable. Let me just start with the fact that he is a "powerless" billionare who uses a bat costume and his martial arts and gadgets to fight crime in a vastly crime ridden city. That to me is improbable beyond belief, i dun care how much training you have no "Powerless" being should be able to the things Batmans and his chorts[Robin especially] do every night. Dodging bullets,takeing on numerus armed men[some with powers],leaping from rooftop to rooftop, and basically comeing from all this without much fuss or injury mostly. People like batman alot i suppose because he a "powerless" man who "stands amongts godlike beings". Unless they make Batman and his cohorts metahumans, Batman will remain as simply the most unbelievable/unrealistic hero in comicdom.

Okay. While I do agree that Batman is written way too over powered, I just want to sat a few things in regards to this.

1) He doesn't dodge bullets. He never has. He simply moves fast enough (and in the dark while wearing all black, mind you) so that the gunman doesn't have time to properly aim. This, in of itself, is not impossible at all.

2) While yes, I do think Batman fighting off 100 goons is a bit much, he usually only encounters a few at a time when he's out patrolling. And while they wouldn;t work on over 100 guys, there are tactics for taking out a group of people. Mostly guerilla warfare style tactics. Weed out their numbers with batarangs and disorient them with flashbang grenades and smoke grenades from afar, and then only step in and confront them physically once there's only one or two left actually capable of putting up anything rsembling a fight. He's also been known to use a blow gun with sedadive darts from time to time.

3) About "coming out of this without much fuss or injury." You do know that he wears body armor, right?

Now for my second point on the matter, why do i think Batman is less believable heroes like superman,wonderwoman,green lantern etc? Its easy, we have a valid reason has to why they can fight powerful beings and save the day all the time, they all have superpowers. The fact that superman is invunerble to harm, makes us understand why he can be shot at,blasted,beat up, and hit with big objects and still survive. With Batman, we must beleive he is able to dodge multiple machine gun fire,flame throwers,blasts of enegy, and other things humans at their peek cannot possibly even hope to dodge all at once. The fact is that we have valid reasons [however fantastic] that super powered heroes like superman fight crime everyday, and survive death beacuse that have powers. With Batman we must beleive that if we train really hard, and get really rich, we to can fight crime to. Basically Dc comic[and other comics] makes us beleive that if a regular kid trains really hard, and aquires some money, they can just hop out on the streets[with a costume] and help clean up a crime ridden city.

Again, while I agree that he shouldn't be taking on super powerful metas, I'm not seeing how a normal person patroling their neighborhood to help people is impossible. It really depends on alot of factors. What the crime rate in your neighborhood is like. What kind of training you have. What kind of gear you have. How adept you are at tactical and anylitical thinking. As I said, it is possible to take out a smal;l group of people using stealth tactics. Not easy, but possible.

My third point are the Robins [pick one], who have ussally been anywhere between 11 and 18 years old at max. You expect to even try and beleive that batman trains a 12 to 13 year old kid for sum months, and then he makes him his partner on the streets That to me is the single sillest[ and unbelievable] thing i have ever heard, Batman [and green arrow] are dumbest adults i have ever read of. Who the hell trains ac12 year old, and then makes him his partner, is Bruce Wayne an idiot? Then we must beleive that a 5 foot 3 skinny kid[Robin] can take on dozens of grown armed men at Batman sides[while wearing a brightly colored cotume]. Not to mention that the Robins [save for Jason Todd] usually come through without any injures for the most part.

Yeah, it's kind of crazy. But who ever said that Bruce was the poster boy for sanity? Anyway, I always saw the Batman/Robin relationship as an aprenticeship. For a good chunk of time, he just trained him. Then, when he thought he was ready, he slowly started taking him ou on the streets. Only a little at first, but he weaned him into it. It was a gradual thing.

My next and most important point, Batman being in the Justice League. Batman being in a League full of nearly godlike beings is odd. I admit batman should help them with planning and stategy, but to make people even try and understand how he can never get tired when everyone else is flying and blasting off. How he seems to overcome godly foes [like white martians, the enitre justice League] and yet never seems to be injured or hurt.

Now, this I actually agree with. Batman really shouldn't be on the feild on most League missions. He should simply be their tactical advisor.

Batman was able to recover from a broken back/spine but barbara gordan [despite living in a world full of magic, intersteallar space travel,gods, and beings with great healing powers] cannot get her legs healed is dumb.

1) What has that got to do with the League?

2) That's not a fair statement at all. We still don't understand much about spinal injuries. Sometimes people recover, sometimes they don't. Way I see it, Bruce had a clean break. One that could, conceivably, heal over time. Barbara, having been shot, actually has a chunk of her spine missing. That can't heal.

My last point is simple, to further make sure Batman is relevant they make superman give him a kryptonite ring. Heres why i find this odd, why not give the ring to a being that can atleast match up aganst superman in a fight? If they made superman give the ring to wonderwoman [whos capabale of killing if needed, and a match for superman] that would make more sense. If superman truly went "rogue" he could simply drop a oceanliner on wayne manor and batman would be dead. or superman could fly into deep space, and then fire heat vision down upon batman, the list goes on forever. Ofcoruse this was done to make sure Batman is "Badass" and can "beat" superman cause batmans "badass".

I'm fairly certain Superman can't heat vision someone from deep space, but that's not the point. The point is, Wonder Woman and Martian Manhunter don't need Kryptonite. They can stand up to SUperman on theor own merrit. Batman can't. If something did happen and Superman went bad, Bruce would need all the protection he could get.

Im a huge Baman fan, but the last 20 plus years the character has been more popular thier he ever was, but he has also become completly over the top in terms of trying to make the character into some kind of unbelievable "god"[prep time is dumb buy the way].

This, I agree with.

 

[The Leaguer]

This is the worst thread in a while.

 

[BrianWilly]

Superman probably can't fry someone from deep space, but he can do it in close orbit, using his telescopic vision and fine-control to aim his rays. He did it in the first Superman/Batman arc.

 

[sethcohen]

Hello their, for anyone reading this, its come to my attention that Batman[and his supporting cast] have become so ubelieveable its laughable. Let me just start with the fact that he is a "powerless" billionare who uses a bat costume and his martial arts and gadgets to fight crime in a vastly crime ridden city. That to me is improbable beyond belief, i dun care how much training you have no "Powerless" being should be able to the things Batmans and his chorts[Robin especially] do every night. Dodging bullets,takeing on numerus armed men[some with powers],leaping from rooftop to rooftop, and basically comeing from all this without much fuss or injury mostly. People like batman alot i suppose because he a "powerless" man who "stands amongts godlike beings". Unless they make Batman and his cohorts metahumans, Batman will remain as simply the most unbelievable/unrealistic hero in comicdom.

Now for my second point on the matter, why do i think Batman is less believable heroes like superman,wonderwoman,green lantern etc? Its easy, we have a valid reason has to why they can fight powerful beings and save the day all the time, they all have superpowers. The fact that superman is invunerble to harm, makes us understand why he can be shot at,blasted,beat up, and hit with big objects and still survive. With Batman, we must beleive he is able to dodge multiple machine gun fire,flame throwers,blasts of enegy, and other things humans at their peek cannot possibly even hope to dodge all at once. The fact is that we have valid reasons [however fantastic] that super powered heroes like superman fight crime everyday, and survive death beacuse that have powers. With Batman we must beleive that if we train really hard, and get really rich, we to can fight crime to. Basically Dc comic[and other comics] makes us beleive that if a regular kid trains really hard, and aquires some money, they can just hop out on the streets[with a costume] and help clean up a crime ridden city.

My third point are the Robins [pick one], who have ussally been anywhere between 11 and 18 years old at max. You expect to even try and beleive that batman trains a 12 to 13 year old kid for sum months, and then he makes him his partner on the streets That to me is the single sillest[ and unbelievable] thing i have ever heard, Batman [and green arrow] are dumbest adults i have ever read of. Who the hell trains ac12 year old, and then makes him his partner, is Bruce Wayne an idiot? Then we must beleive that a 5 foot 3 skinny kid[Robin] can take on dozens of grown armed men at Batman sides[while wearing a brightly colored cotume]. Not to mention that the Robins [save for Jason Todd] usually come through without any injures for the most part.

My next and most important point, Batman being in the Justice League. Batman being in a League full of nearly godlike beings is odd. I admit batman should help them with planning and stategy, but to make people even try and understand how he can never get tired when everyone else is flying and blasting off. How he seems to overcome godly foes [like white martians, the enitre justice League] and yet never seems to be injured or hurt. Batman was able to recover from a broken back/spine but barbara gordan [despite living in a world full of magic, intersteallar space travel,gods, and beings with great healing powers] cannot get her legs healed is dumb.

My last point is simple, to further make sure Batman is relevant they make superman give him a kryptonite ring. Heres why i find this odd, why not give the ring to a being that can atleast match up aganst superman in a fight? If they made superman give the ring to wonderwoman [whos capabale of killing if needed, and a match for superman] that would make more sense. If superman truly went "rogue" he could simply drop a oceanliner on wayne manor and batman would be dead. or superman could fly into deep space, and then fire heat vision down upon batman, the list goes on forever. Ofcoruse this was done to make sure Batman is "Badass" and can "beat" superman cause batmans "badass". Im a huge Baman fan, but the last 20 plus years the character has been more popular thier he ever was, but he has also become completly over the top in terms of trying to make the character into some kind of unbelievable "god"[prep time is dumb buy the way].

stop reading comics then

 

[The Question]

Superman probably can't fry someone from deep space, but he can do it in close orbit, using his telescopic vision and fine-control to aim his rays. He did it in the first Superman/Batman arc.

Did he really? I must say that I can't recall.

 

[KingOfDreams]

They're superheroes. They wear capes and fight evil in tights. They're all unbelievable.

Exactly. But having said that, I udnerstand this point of view but in many ways I think he's the most believable because he doesn't have powers. Super powers are pretty unbelievable. I'm sure there are some spies and agents who do things that are at least somewhat comparable to what Batman does.

 

[The Question]

Most likely. I do, obviously, agree that most comic book characters, and in turn most fictional characters in general, are at the very least highly improbable and at the most somewhat impossible. I do think that batman, out of all the more mainstream DCU heroes, should be more down to Earth in terms of ability. DC tends to ignore this for the sake of the "wow" factor. But that doesn't mean that his very premise is impossible.

 

[BrianWilly]

Did he really? I must say that I can't recall.

It was when Batman was fighting against all those cold-based bad guys, he told Superman via comm link to "bring the heat." Superman, at that point, was busy dragging Silver Banshee into space so she couldn't use her scream. Once she was unconscious from lack of air, he stayed right where he was, told Batman to move a little bit to the left, and started barraging the guys with his heat vision.

 

[Diamondhead]

true indeed
that's why i think bruce wayne should be in a different state of mind to accomplish all those unbelievable feat when he's batman.

c'mon, batman avoiding dark side omega beam or even avoiding superman throwing a punch at him (in one stupid Jim lee's batman comic)
what is faster than the eyes !? even wonder woman should'nt be able to avoid superman heat vision.

lordy ! I have no more respect for some of those idiots working in the comics
book industries because i've outgrown them long ago even when I was a 14 years kid!


Bruce wayne should have split personnality disorder
and afred should be a phychologist who help him cope with it period!

 

[The Question]

It was when Batman was fighting against all those cold-based bad guys, he told Superman via comm link to "bring the heat." Superman, at that point, was busy dragging Silver Banshee into space so she couldn't use her scream. Once she was unconscious from lack of air, he stayed right where he was, told Batman to move a little bit to the left, and started barraging the guys with his heat vision.

Ah, right you are, Mr. Willy. My memory of such minor details is, I must admit, flawed at best.

 

[Hush]

Heh heh heh, You said Mr. Willy.......................does this make me immature?

 

[marvelisawesome]

dang. theres some longs posts

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Batman is unbelievable. No, Question does point out he doesn't dogde bullets. Maybe not in the Neo sense, but he is subject to the worst shots in Gotham apparently

 

[WompuM]

In my opinion, or IMO, i suppose. ("in my opinion" is better than "IMO" in my opinion) anyway. I think almost every member of the X-Men, or even Luthor's Every-Man is more unlikely than Batman. Which gene in the human genome has to mutate for you to grow wings, or turn into a fish, or have skin made of molten steel? Whacky ass genetics is very unrealistic compared to whacky ass rich people. And wouldn't Oliver Queen be even less realistic... using ancient technology as opposed to extremely modern gadgets and havign time to run Star Orleans? Batman at least had motivation. GA only had a vacation on a beach.

 

[The Question]

Batman is unbelievable. No, Question does point out he doesn't dogde bullets. Maybe not in the Neo sense, but he is subject to the worst shots in Gotham apparently

Not necessairily. Hitting a moving target is rather difficult. Hitting a moving target that's wearing all black at night is much mure dificult. It's not that they're bad shots. It's that they're in a situation where aiming properly is quite dificult.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, that's what the billowing black cape is for. But if you tell a Batman fanboy that Batman would be at a disadvantage against guns without shadows to distort his position, they'll still get upset.

 

[Assassin]

haha I told you I wasnt the worst speller here

 

[War Lord]

Not necessairily. Hitting a moving target is rather difficult. Hitting a moving target that's wearing all black at night is much mure dificult. It's not that they're bad shots. It's that they're in a situation where aiming properly is quite dificult.

Not to mention that Batman has made it a science to know how to move to minimize the chance of getting hit, not to mention that his costume really is somewhat like armor from head to toe.

 

[The Question]

Yeah, that's what the billowing black cape is for. But if you tell a Batman fanboy that Batman would be at a disadvantage against guns without shadows to distort his position, they'll still get upset.

Probably. But hey, them's the breaks.

Not to mention that Batman has made it a science to know how to move to minimize the chance of getting hit, not to mention that his costume really is somewhat like armor from head to toe.

It's impossible to be bullet proof from head to toe. I know it's a comic, but Batman's gear is usually based in real world science.

 

[War Lord]

Probably. But hey, them's the breaks.



It's impossible to be bullet proof from head to toe. I know it's a comic, but Batman's gear is usually based in real world science.

I said somewhat like armor. This can mean that simply-bullet resistant.

His torso and head are bullet proof, but his arms and legs (which would be nearly impossible to his anyway, which is why cops don't aim for limbs) would be bullet resistant.

 

[The Question]

I'm pretty sure it's impossible to bullet proof your head. Even if you could, a shot to the head would still knock you out.

 

[War Lord]

I'm pretty sure it's impossible to bullet proof your head. Even if you could, a shot to the head would still knock you out.

I'm not up to the current Batman, but in times past the comic was explicit that his head was protected from bullets.

The head and limbs are almost impossible to hit on a moving target, that's why cops and military are trained for full body shots.