Batman Vs. Wonder Woman

[TheCorpulent1]

I didn't mean to imply you had a problem with powers, I just quoted your post because it was in reference to the other post and I was too lazy to go back to the last page.

 

[The Question]

Oh, I know. I was just adding. I think powers are great when used well. Superman outracing lightbeams and bench pressing Jupiter isn't using them well, for the simple fact that it leads to rather stupid or uninteresting stories.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It depends. Extremely high power levels work for some.

 

[The Question]

Yeah, but in the right context. It works for The Spectre, because he rarely fights, by his nature tends to stay out of human affairs, ans hwen he does fight, it's usually in space or in some other dimension, so no one gets hurt in the crossfire. With Superman, not so much. If he's that powerful, that means that his enemies are that powerful. If he can survive a blast equivalent to the force of one million nuclear explosions, then that means The Parasite and Bizarro and The Atomic Skull should be able to punhc with roughly that amount of force. So, when Superman and one of his enemies fight in the heart of Metropolis, how come the shockwaves don't flatten North America? Doesn't work.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It works just fine for me. Comics are like 60% about suspension of disbelief.

 

[Super_Child]

Why the hell would that be a good idea? Wonder Woman's always been close to Superman in terms of power.

And that I don't like. Actually I don't like WW much at all.

 

[The Question]

It works just fine for me. Comics are like 60% about suspension of disbelief.

I know. But if you're required to suspend too much disbelief, it can get kind of stupid. I'd rather have Superman with lower power levels, like he had during Man of Steel. It just works better storywise overall, I think.

And that I don't like.

Why not?

Actually I don't like WW much at all.

Again, why not?

 

[bulok]

Haven't you guys learned anything from the Tower of Babel storyline? Talking about prep time an' stuff like Batman's just sitting up at the watchtower having a glass of milk and oreos with the Martian Manhunter. All this time he's been in the JLA has been a prep time.

Batman's no boyscout. He says he's not keeping a dossier on the League but you know that mofo is packin. If he and WW ever get in a fight, she's toast.

 

[The Question]

That makes no sense. That's saying that the entire fight would be on Batman's terms. And very rarely is anyone that lucky. If Wonder Woman just randomly poped out of nowhere and challanged Batman to a fight, he'd get his ass kicked.

 

[LadyVader]

The only thing that Batman had to stop Wonder Woman with was a chip that supposedly made her believe she was fighting someone but it was all in her head. The idea was that she'd simply never quit and just exhaust herself to death. The problem I saw with this solution is that I think the Lasso of Truth would protect her from any kind of mind control.

So in other words, Batman has nothing on Wonder Woman.

 

[The Question]

And, also, Wonder Woman isn't an idiot. While she is an warrior, she's also a diplomat. She'd try and figure out why her oponent was atacking her. Eventually, I think she'd figure out that it was an illusion.

 

[LadyVader]

She didn't figure it out in Tower of Babel.

 

[The Question]

Yeah. That whole storyline (and most of the Batman "prep time" wins) work on the assumption that everyone he fights is mentally impared.

 

[LadyVader]

Actually, I liked the idea that Batman has plans on how to take down the League. What I hate is the fact that he apparentely has trouble holding on to those plans!

 

[The Question]

Some of the plans were somewhat flawed (like the Wonder Woman one). What I don't like is that he seemingly invented all of these things in the cave by himself in his free time. I mean, I know he's smart, but that's a bit of a streatch. And, also, I don't see why he'd need The Scarecrow's fear gas for Aquaman. He could just have infected him with rabies.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

His solution for Aquaman wouldn't work anymore anyway. He doesn't need to return to water anymore, and his water hand could probably purge the fear gas from his system.

 

[The Question]

Very true. Just saying, at the time, infecting him with rabies would have made alot more sense. Causes hydrophobia (plus a bunch of other unpleasant symptoms), and it would be much easyer to obtain.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, but then he'd have rabies and that's not as cool as the Scarecrow's fear gas. I doubt Batman really has trouble getting ahold of the fear gas anyway. Doesn't he have a cure for it already? He probably felt he could control the effects of the Scarecrow's gas easier than he could rabies. Remember, Orin's not actually human, so there's no telling how human diseases would work on him. Of course, the same could go for the fear gas, but maybe Bats felt more comfortable with that for some reason.

 

[The Question]

Yeah, I guess the gas would be easyer to control.

 

[Lackey]

Very true. Just saying, at the time, infecting him with rabies would have made alot more sense. Causes hydrophobia (plus a bunch of other unpleasant symptoms), and it would be much easyer to obtain.

Rabies doesn't give everyone hydrophobia and it's definitely not as severe a phobia as Scarecrow's fear gas causes and it doesn't work instantly like the fear gas, it takes days.

 

[GoldenAgeHero]

i like batman's contingency plans, and impretty sure he's updated them. i wish a writerwouldshow an update of his secret stash.

 

[SouLeSS]

Batman would lose.

Know why? Because hes human. He has no special powers. All he has is his gadgets and preptime.

 

[BrianWilly]

Batman's Babel solution for Wonder Woman really was all kinds of stupid. So...she'll just keep fighting and then...uh, she'll fight and...wait...what?...huh?

It was almost as stupid as the way that alien machine guy tried to exploid her weakness in that recent JLA Classified storyline. "If you have no solid ground to fight on, you'll surely lose!" But...doesn't she fly?? It just goes to show, almost no one has been able to get Wonder Woman right in JLA stories.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The Wonder Woman solution seemed like a temporary measure, which makes sense to me. Same with Aquaman. And Batman designed them that way. Batman knew that at the time Aquaman would die without being exposed to water again at some point, and the narration for Wonder Woman pretty much says that she would fight herself to death, plus we can infer that she would figure out the ruse eventually if that didn't happen. But we know that Batman doesn't kill. People keep referring to the Tower of Babel plans as Batman's plans to take down the JLA, but that's not what they were. They were contingency measures to incapacitate the JLA in case they were mind controlled or something. Batman has access to the Scarecrow's fear gas, but he also has access to an antidote for it. Presumably he'd let Aquaman get weakened by his inability to replenish himself with water, then he'd move in while he was weak and figure out a way to get him back to normal, then he'd give him the antidote. It's not like Batman created the plans in order to actually kill the JLA. Some of them are questionable in that respect (most notably J'onn's), but the implication I got was that all of the plans were meant for temporary incapacitation only.

 

[LadyVader]

Ok, temporarly take them down, but still... most of those means implied a great deal of pain and suffering.