Batman Year One movie more comic book than Batman Begins

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  1. ironman29758 Registered

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    I mean read the script it had scenes from Frank Millers comics(Gordan being a hero cop, Batman fighting corruption, ect). I watched Batman Begins and it had few scenes realated to comic book. I mean i don't mind but Batman Year one had something wrong(Bruce is poor, Alfred is Black, ect). so which one do think is more like year one and more realistic. Batman Year One script or Batman Begins
     
  2. OctaviusINC Trust Me.

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    Heh, the year one script had some problems, but I overall I thought it was good. Batman Begins is a good film and I enjoyed it. The best way to summarize how I feel about both these things is that I don't really care. I didn't care for an origin film in the 1st place. I read the comics, I know how it happens. I even had friends who never even read a Batman comic, and still felt BB was unnecessary.

    But BB is what we got and it's the start of something new. Here's looking to TDK.
     
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    if the Year One script had all it's mistakes corrected(Bruce being poor, Alfred being black, and a few more things), in my opinion, Year One could have been the best Batman film to date.

    But we got Begins, and where i don't think Batman Begins is perfect, it's only getting better with The Dark Knight.

    Maybe in the future we can get a Batman film like Year One.
     
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    I have several problems with the Y1 movie script, it had such horrendous breaks with continuity. I also don't think it's particuarly good, but i'd have been interested to see it.
     
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    Im glad we got what we did get with BB
     
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    Exactly, comparing the scripts I think BB is superior, the Y1 script was horrendous, with voice-overs and such.

    It also had absolutely nothing to do with the Y1 comic book. I don't know why people praise it so much much.

    Apart from teh realizm. I loves teh realizms.
     
  7. Luchastyle is awesome

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    send me the year one script. ive never read it. ive only heard about it
     
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    Batman: Year One

    by Quentin Terintino

    Lol.
     
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    I enjoyed the voice-overs. It gives insight into the characters and i thought it was an interesting approach. It worked well in Sin City, so why not?

    It didn't have much to do with the comic in terms of story than it did in tone and atmosphere. As i said in my other post, if they made the corrections needed to the characters, it would have been perfect. It captures the same feel of the book, while not using the same story. It only uses that world.

    What i really liked about the script is that it doesn't feel like a comic book movie. I don't think, if it were filmed, that it would even look like a comic book movie. It would have been gritty, dirty and filthy. I think it would definitely look more like a mix of Death Wish, Taxi Driver and Serpico than, say, Spider-Man or any other comic book movie(except maybe Burton's Batman and Donner's Superman). With the exception of those two films, most comic book movies have that glossy look to it and it just feels like a comic book movie. Year One wouldn't have felt like that i think, and that what i love about it.
     
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    See for me I hated it, in script form at least. I think it only works as a narrative device like in Fight Club, but as an angsty insight it fails for me, he just seemed like he was whining IMO.

    I agree with that, it has that horrible rusty, dark, corrupt world feel that Y1 is good for, but it just played too free and loose with characters for me. I'm not racist or anything, look at my record collection, I love the gangster rap, but having Alfred as a black mechanic didn't make any sense whatsoever.

    I can understand what you mean though, it definitely had that gritty feel to it, Narc or Training Day spring to mind. One of my main problems with BB is that it pretends to present a dark and gritty Gotham/Batman yet it fails on many levels.

    I still don't like the script. Too many problems. And in terms of studying it in an analytical way, it's a dog. If I handed that in for part of my Uni course i'd fail.
     
  11. Comics N' Toons Viva La Revolucion!

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    The year one script for me was about 5 hours (THAT'S HOW LONG IT TOOK ME TO READ IT) of entertainment... I liked a lot of things in the script that should have been in BB, but there were a lot of things that i just thought wasn't Batman... like Little Al & Bruce living in an apartment & shopping at hardware stores for equipment... don't even get me started on the lincoln continental as a batmobile! ! !

    I dunno all in all there were many things i would change about the Y1 Script and many things i would change about BB...

    Furthermore, BB had a lot of problems... IF THEY WERE GOING TO INTRODUCE Ras Al Ghul, do it correctly... Have him meet Bruce in the batcave after capturing Robin, as was intended w/ Denny Oneil's creation (THIS MEANS GHUL SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN IN A YEAR 1 type movie, because Robin hasn't yet been introduced.)

    Also, Scarecrow was near perfect, but they should have made him go insane (GIVEN HIM THE CLASSIC BAT-VILLIAN BACKSTORY)

    also, Carmine Falcone: if they were going to do a movie w/ Falcone, he and his family (THE ROMAN EMPIRE) should have been the only villians... I'm not saying make The Long Halloween, but make a clasic WB gangster movie.

    Also, ALFRED WAS NAILED! that was a great potrayal.

    also, L. Fox was nailed.

    The whole Wayne Enterprises giving Batman his toys... AWESOME - straight from the comics.

    BB had its problems but also had some good stuff in there too
     
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    In year one it gave realistic explanations for alot of things(batmobile, batsuit, weapons, ect)

    but it didn't have the perfect ending BB nailed it. But in y1 they had that appeanace in Joker in Arkham was perfect. should he be Albino or what to make him more realistic and keep fans happy?
    and compare to Batman apperances in media(The Batman, ASBR, Batman TAS) and elseworlds(Gotham by Gaslight, Nine Lives)
     
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    keep the Joker the way he is in the book. Bleach his skin perma-white. None of that. Keep it ambiguous and don't explain it at all. No one said it couldn't be a bit surrealistic.
     
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    I still saying looking at the script on it's own, it's a dog. Atrocious. It doesn't stick to the comics, and I didn't like the fact it only had him fighting gangs and stuff, I liked a bit of Super-Villian in my movies!

    BB had it's flaws granted, but I prefer it. I remember reading the BB script when it got leaked and I was like 'Woah!' that's an awsome script.

    And the Lincoln was the stupidest idea I ever heard in a Batman movie, including Mr. Freeze and Poison Ivy teaming up. Oh, wait...
     
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    Given the context of this script, despite it being, as you put it, a dog, the lincoln made complete sense. It probably would have been badass too.

    As i've been saying, had they fixed this up, to make it more faithful to the Year One book, this would have been perfect.

    I also remember being floored by the Begins script, and was actually disappointed when a few scenes that kicked ass weren't put it. The Falcone Warehouse sequence was different, and Falcone's confrontation with Batman was different too. Falcone holds a shot gun to the back of Batman's head. He pulls the trigger. No blast. Batman turns his head slightly and drops the 2 shells.

    But Year One just felt mean. It was what i thought, and still think, a Batman movie should be like. Make it more faithful to the book, and keep the atmosphere, look and feel of the book and you have something that stands out from many other comic book movies.


    and about super-villains: The lack of one in the Year One script was a good move. They could use a villain in a sequel to show the rise of the freaks and what not. But i found it cool that the villain in Year One was the Gotham. In both the book and script, it's Batman saving Gotham from itself. It wasn't one of those "Arg! Im a super villain who plans to destroy the city!". It was different and i liked it.

    Fix this script and it works.
     
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    I agree with that, the scene I really wanted to see in BB was the one about crawling up the wall as slowly as possible hen R'as is training Bruce. That bit really spoke to me and such.

    The Lincoln was just... I dunno, I hated the very idea it was teh realizms taken to the extreme. Agreed it was a very gritty and mean script, I loved Batman flicking the blade into the guys eye at the end.

    I don't agree though, I always like the villians, IMO that is what best drive Batman movies.
     
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    Yea, the wall climbing scene was cool. There was alot of cool stuff in that script that didn't make it, unfortunately.

    I don't necessarily think the Lincoln was teh realizms taken to the extreme. It made logical sense given the context of everything else. This is Bruce making his costume, his weapons, his car...all from scratch with what he has at hand. I agree that it's realistic, but not to the extreme.

    I think if you fixed it up, really just making Bruce rich, which is the important factor, much of what went on in the Year One script would have been exactly the same, only of better quality. He would have been able to make a much more protective costume. The weapons wouldn't consist of gorilla glue, zip ties and throwing knives. and the car would be a beast. Bruce could buy some sort of army vehicle and just do a complete overhaul on it. Make it look like something from Batman & The Mad Monk: a sleek combo between the Burton car and the Tumbler.

    Once you fix that, you can make Alfred white, tweak the dialog and tone down some(and i stress some, as some of the stuff that goes on in that script could be implied, if not toned down) violence. Throw in some surreal elements and there you go: Perfect Batman script.
     
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    I agree plus it was very representitive of the narrative thought boxes from the Y1 comics. Also it was very noir-esque.

    I disagree cause essentially it was still a young determined man wanting to destroy the crime that has engulfed his city. Yeah the details were "adapted" which is what should be done, I don't want to see essentially what's on my bookshelf on the screen. For that I just stick to my comics and save my money. It's the same reason I liked A-hole public Bruce from BB as opposed to the version from the comic, previous movies and animated series version of public Bruce, as well as the way Ra's was used in BB. Also you're very on point about the tone and atmosphere. It was perfect and my ideal approach to how Gotham should truly be I loved that. For example in this script Commisioner Loeb was actually a corrupt dirtbag which is a very important commentary on what Gotham has become from the story that BB completely missed out on amongst other things.

    To me it did feel very much like the Batman comics particularly Y1 and a lot of Alan Grant's stuff. So in that sense it was comic booky but yeah it would've changed the perception of superhero movies in the eyes of cinephiles.
     
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    I agree, with a little tweaking the script could have been good. I still hate the letters for his father bit, and the Lincoln, but at least it was a stab at a dark and gritty Batman.

    On the flip side though, I don't think Aranofsky would neccesarily be a good choice. He's too experimental as a director and the film would *not* have been a commercial success. Someone i'd love to see take the reins would be Joe Carnahan or David Fincher. Can you imagine a Fincher Batman?
     
  21. Comics N' Toons Viva La Revolucion!

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    the lincoln might have not been so bad if he had suped it up a bit ya' know...
     
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    Like with a bus engine?
     
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    Batman year one could have been just as good as bb but there was some bad aspects and it kind of had introductions to sequel(catwoman leaping off building) but not the one I was interested in(bb-joker comes)
     
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    well yea, but what i meant was, most comic movies have that glossy look to it. You can tell it's a comic book movie. Most comic films have the same look.

    I agree that it feels like specific Batman comics, like Year One, but those books don't feel like comic books, atleast to me, ya know? the Year One movie, yea, would have been a comic book movie, as it IS Batman, but it wouldn't have felt like one at all.

    and to RobC:

    Fincher Batman....::drools::

    Although, i think Aronofsky could have pulled it off. Yea, he's experimental as a film maker, but don't you think trying to make a comic book movie as a much an extreme throwback to 1970's films as possible a bit experimental too?
     
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    Hmmm, interesting proposition. Schumacher was more experimental in terms of in-movie visuals and changing from what the audience expected leading on from Burton films.

    Aranofsky is more experimental in terms of editing techniques, visuals, and mis-en-scene. He could have done it great, or he could have made an absolute head-*****.

    Fincher Batman would just be.. Too much. I can't even begin to think of it, it blows my mind that much. I studied Fincher for an auteur project at A-Level and the layers he had just blew me away.

    *Head Rush*
     

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