beat superman

[November Rain]

Agreed, aswell as agent smith.

I don't see how a man sitting in a chair plugged up to a computer is going to be any threat when superman throws their ship into space...

 

[November Rain]

That's hard to say. In the Matrix-the only place where Neo has power-Supes' physical attributes mean nothing. So the question then becomes whether or not he retains knowledge of being Superman, thus can take his powers into the Matrix with him. Assuming he can, Neo can control the reality to an extent, so it wouldn't really be a contest of physical power, but rather one of will, no?

and we all know that neo's will is fairly pants considering on how much he is led and so forth...

 

[November Rain]

I've thought about this rationally and based on any location and also on the ability to weaken supes himself (who can't regenerate his strength himself)

I believe that david banner could take him in a bout.

This is a fairly big feat considering i believe movie supes from returns could beat hulk into dust but i think david banner has the range of possible powers and resources to do so. This is probably the most likely dude of any in any marvel film or dc film so far.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I haven't seen SR but watching him struggle with that plane makes me doubt his ability to take the Hulk.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I don't see how a man sitting in a chair plugged up to a computer is going to be any threat when superman throws their ship into space...

And why would he do that? If he himself isn't plugged in, Neo's no threat. Some of y'all are making Supes out to be this vicious, bloodthirsty person that he's just not. He does enough to neutralize the threat-no more, no less.

 

[Crowforge]

Note: If he'd stopped the plane cold it'd have torn iself apart and you'd also break the necks of everyone onboard including the nigh invincible lois lane

 

[GL1]

Lois go whooped by that plane... boy. Unlucky as they come.

My money is on Captain Jack Sparrow. He'd put big blue down for the long g'night. Saavy?

 

[Spider-Kurt!]

I've thought about this rationally and based on any location and also on the ability to weaken supes himself (who can't regenerate his strength himself)

I believe that david banner could take him in a bout.

This is a fairly big feat considering i believe movie supes from returns could beat hulk into dust but i think david banner has the range of possible powers and resources to do so. This is probably the most likely dude of any in any marvel film or dc film so far.

Forget David Banner! It's Nick Nolte is who Supes would have to worry about!

 

[juggster-rules]

turboman of course could kick supermans ass. you can always count on him. IT'S TURBO TIME !

 

[November Rain]

And why would he do that? If he himself isn't plugged in, Neo's no threat. Some of y'all are making Supes out to be this vicious, bloodthirsty person that he's just not. He does enough to neutralize the threat-no more, no less.

alright...

they are both plugged into the matrix, and superman believes it is reality so he possesses all the powers he would normally have.

superman has been shown to react faster than neo.

Neo was still cut by a blade in the second matrix, Without Kryptonite within the matrix, superman has yet to be hurt.

Neo needs to stop or dodge bullets, Superman doesn't need to stop bullets considering they can't hurt him.

I haven't seen neo display any sort of incredible strength feats, certainly not to the calibur done by routh in returns.

neo has a martial arts advantage but he had trouble defeating a single angent in combat in revolutions, so how he beats a stronger faster superman is beyond me.

I don't even think neo could take some of the peeps from Kung Fu hustle...

 

[November Rain]

I haven't seen SR but watching him struggle with that plane makes me doubt his ability to take the Hulk.

you should watch it...

There is no doubt that superman is heaps and bounds above the hulk or any other character we've seen when it comes to feats of strength...

he dwarfs the rest of the crowd.

Oh and that plane scene was no trouble what so ever, he took it all in his stride

 

[Chris Wallace]

alright...

they are both plugged into the matrix, and superman believes it is reality so he possesses all the powers he would normally have.

superman has been shown to react faster than neo.

Neo was still cut by a blade in the second matrix, Without Kryptonite within the matrix, superman has yet to be hurt.

Neo needs to stop or dodge bullets, Superman doesn't need to stop bullets considering they can't hurt him.

I haven't seen neo display any sort of incredible strength feats, certainly not to the calibur done by routh in returns.

neo has a martial arts advantage but he had trouble defeating a single angent in combat in revolutions, so how he beats a stronger faster superman is beyond me.

I don't even think neo could take some of the peeps from Kung Fu hustle...

Not to nitpick, but how do you plug Superman into the Matrix?

 

[November Rain]

alright, a superman program is already part of the matrix then.

i'm only trying to hyptothetically give neo an even-ish playing ground considering it wouldn't even be a fight if it was in the real world.

 

[Chris Wallace]

you should watch it...

There is no doubt that superman is heaps and bounds above the hulk or any other character we've seen when it comes to feats of strength...

he dwarfs the rest of the crowd.

Oh and that plane scene was no trouble what so ever, he took it all in his stride

I have never been one to believe that Superman was stronger than the Hulk, (200 pounds of alien vs. 1,000 pounds of rage?) & even if he was, Hulk's strength would continue to increase whereas Kal-El is already topped out.

 

[Chris Wallace]

alright, a superman program is already part of the matrix then.

Okay-that I'll buy. However, if you read my "contest Of wills" argument, you'll see that I really back the Kryptonian on this one in any event. I may not be a fan of Big Blue (& yet I know all his nicknames) but even I can't deny his will is pretty much indomitable. In a world where you're only as strong as you think you are, he'd be even harder to overcome than in the corporeal world.

 

[November Rain]

watch the film, the evidence is quite apparent.

and since we are talking solely about film character renditions, you don't have a real argument since you haven't viewed the evidence.

take a few hours out to come up to speed with the superman of the new millenium.


oh and film hulk pretty much has topped out, He got mad enough to revert back to banner, he was at full pelt by the end of the film. Remember he was saying that david should 'take it, take it all' giving the perception he was maxing out.

even then though returns shows a whole new class of power.

ps i'm a hulk fan, big hulk movie fan and i've come to terms he's portrayed as second best.

 

[Ultimate_Superman]

Movie Hulk would not beat movie Superman. The man lifted an island the size of Texas into space while it was still growing and full of Kryptonite. I mean thats pretty hard to top.

 

[November Rain]

Okay-that I'll buy. However, if you read my "contest Of wills" argument, you'll see that I really back the Kryptonian on this one in any event. I may not be a fan of Big Blue (& yet I know all his nicknames) but even I can't deny his will is pretty much indomitable. In a world where you're only as strong as you think you are, he'd be even harder to overcome than in the corporeal world.

well they have pretty much equal pegging on wills...

they both did the impossible and brought their girlfriends/love interests back to life simply because they chose to not accept the fact they were dying

also neo stood up to an impossible task at the brink of the end of the world and still decided to keep fighting even when outnumbered billions to one (literally).

wills would be pretty equal, it's just skills (or manipulation of that will) that are different

 

[November Rain]

Movie Hulk would not beat movie Superman. The man lifted a lifted an island the size of Texas into space while it was still growing and full of Kryptonite. I mean thats pretty hard to top.

he also still had shards of kryptonite within him when he did it adding to the crazy extents of that feat.

 

[Chris Wallace]

well they have pretty much equal pegging on wills...

they both did the impossible and brought their girlfriends/love interests back to life simply because they chose to not accept the fact they were dying

also neo stood up to an impossible task at the brink of the end of the world and still decided to keep fighting even when outnumbered billions to one (literally).

wills would be pretty equal, it's just skills (or manipulation of that will) that are different

Maybe. Neo's will was so strong that even when Smith had finally assimilated him he was still able to destroy him. I still think Supes would have him when it was all said & done, though.
As for bringing their girls back, an ongoing theme throughout superhero mythology is that there is no more powerful motivater than love. Love was the only thing that could stop the Hulk, when all kinds of missiles, bombs, bullets, tanks & a drop from the outer atmosphere had failed. It caused both the suppression and restoral of Spider-Man's powers. Superman gladly traded his powers for it. It kept Daredevil fighting with a severe wound, against one arguably more skilled opponent & another twice his size. It even blinded Wolverine & drove Cyclops to the brink of madness. Blade knowingly walked into a trap. Villains keep kidnapping the heroes' ladies because they know it'll draw them out. You can't really rate a person's will by what they'll do in the name of this all-powerful force.

 

[jrpstarwars]

I'm beatin' Superman right nowt:

 

[November Rain]

Maybe. Neo's will was so strong that even when Smith had finally assimilated him he was still able to destroy him. I still think Supes would have him when it was all said & done, though.
As for bringing their girls back, an ongoing theme throughout superhero mythology is that there is no more powerful motivater than love. Love was the only thing that could stop the Hulk, when all kinds of missiles, bombs, bullets, tanks & a drop from the outer atmosphere had failed. It caused both the suppression and restoral of Spider-Man's powers. Superman gladly traded his powers for it. It kept Daredevil fighting with a severe wound, against one arguably more skilled opponent & another twice his size. It even blinded Wolverine & drove Cyclops to the brink of madness. Blade knowingly walked into a trap. Villains keep kidnapping the heroes' ladies because they know it'll draw them out. You can't really rate a person's will by what they'll do in the name of this all-powerful force.

a beautiful post.

alright, let's leave love aside for a moment.

trinity was dead in revolutions and Neo didn't threaten the matrix itself and instead went to take down agent smith. He was destined to lose the final fight and be assimilated although it took a few films to realise that this was his purpose. Still his will allowed him to fight on.

I think neo may need his will focussed by perhaps morphues to stand a reasonable chance though.

overall, it wouldn't be a complete white wash but i would give it to the man in blue.

Still think David Banner is more than capable of taking him down fair and square in a confrontation.

 

[jrpstarwars]

alright, a superman program is already part of the matrix then.

i'm only trying to hyptothetically give neo an even-ish playing ground considering it wouldn't even be a fight if it was in the real world.

Superman IS plugged in to the matrix. Just as Neo, Morpheus, Hulk, Batman, Wolverine, Stan Lee, Stephen Hawking, Bill Gates, Colin Powell, Gen. Schwartzkoff, Bill Clinton, George Bush, Franklin Roosevelt, Adolf Hitler, Albert Einstien, Henry Ford, Thomas Edison, Ben Franklin, George Washington, John Smith, Christopher Columbus(not the director), Joan of Arc, Napolean, Julius Caesar, and Jesus H. Christ!!! Just to name a few.

And you November Rain, you are in the Matrix. You always have been. You're entire life has been a computer program...

 

[November Rain]

you can't plug superman into the matrix...



I see you missed that little point wallace raised earlier.

 

[jrpstarwars]

He's been plugged in since he was a child, as have you November Rain. He knows only the Superman that you and Wallace know.

Are you listening Rain?