Ben Affleck To Team With DC’s Geoff Johns On Standalone ‘Batman’ Film

[I Am The Knight]

Maybe he saw the trailer for Arkham Origins, said "that looks cool!" and decided to turn it into a movie

 

[Rorschach2012]

Nah.

Heh Nolan had the story down perfect. But his interpretations were weak and too grounded in reality.

DCEU just needs to work on story. The universe they have created is far superior to Nolan's annoyingly realistic one

 

[BlueLanternKal]

Heh Nolan had the story down perfect. But his interpretations were weak and too grounded in reality.

DCEU just needs to work on story. The universe they have created is far superior to Nolan's annoyingly realistic one

I agree with this.

Don't me wrong, I still love the **** out of TDKT, especially Begins, but Nolan's Batman was very much it's own thing.

 

[The Joker]

Heh Nolan had the story down perfect. But his interpretations were weak and too grounded in reality.

The interpretations were brilliantly done, and got the spirit of the characters e.g. http://jokerfans.blogspot.ie/

That's just one of many reasons why they were roaring successes and regarded as some of the best CBMs ever, or in TDK's case the best CBM ever. I can show you links to where notable Batman comic book writers, including legends like Denny O'Neill creator of Ra's and Talia, praised the hell out of them, too, if you want e.g.;

http://screenrant.com/best-batman-movie-version-comic-book-writers/

http://www.mtv.com/news/1591040/dar...lain-their-take-on-the-well-known-characters/

O'Neill even said this; 'Several of the group applauded Christopher Nolan’s recent “Dark Knight” trilogy.

O’Neil, noting Nolan’s films used some characters that had originated in his works, said that in reading the script he thought, “He’s doing it better than I did … and why didn’t I think of this?”'

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/comi...rant-morrison-jim-lee-more-talk-batman-75/#/0

Can you show me similar praise for the DCEU because they are so 'great' with their less grounded approach? I think your argument is silly. Its like saying Schumacher's Batman movies are better by default just because they were more fantasy based.

DCEU just needs to work on story. The universe they have created is far superior to Nolan's annoyingly realistic one

Is that why they are critically hammered, divisive among fans, and box office disappointments because their universe is superior? There's not one area in reception that they have Nolan's Batman movies beaten.

Even the people involved in the DCEU say Nolan did it best. E.g.;

Affleck; "It’s an interesting thing to combine, because in the Nolan Batmans, which are the defining Batmans — so magnificent"

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/03/09/batman-v-superman-ben-affleck-wonder-woman

Snyder: “Chris set a tone for the DC Universe, and separated us from Marvel in a great way. We are the legacy of those movies.”

http://www.indiewire.com/2015/07/za...ng-the-dc-universe-from-the-ground-up-261356/

 

[Rorschach2012]

I don't buy it. I just generally don't like the overly realistic tone of the Nolan films. His reliance on realism totally ruined Ra's Al Ghul

So glad this universe allows for superpowers and the supernatural

 

[The Joker]

You don't have to buy it. Facts are still facts whether you choose to believe them or not. You can have a preference for a universe that has super powers. That's your right. But at the end of the day factually speaking a Batman movie that had a climax relying simply on Batman taking out SWAT teams, thugs, and saving hostages, was more of a hit with fans and audiences alike than one that had a finale three way free for all super powered battle with a Doomsday monster. Proving that super powers and supernatural don't automatically equal better Batman movie.

FYI the creator of Ra's Al Ghul, Denny O'Neill, loves Neeson's Ra's and the whole TDK trilogy. If the creator of the character loves it, and O'Neill is one of the old school legend Batman writers, then to paraphrase you I don't buy that they "totally ruined" Ra's.

Anyway all this is off topic and nothing to do with Batfleck's solo.

 

[DOBSON10]

Nolan and Bale's Batman are far superior to this version so far, in every way with the exception of aesthetic things like the Bat suit, Batmobile and Bat Cave... The acting and characterization of Bale's Batman is just on another level compared to Affleck in BvS. Affleck is solid, but it's really no comparison to me. Nothing against Affleck he's just not capable of giving the type of performances Bale can give, he's just simply not as good of an actor as Bale. The writing for characterizations in TDKT is second to none in Comic Book movies as well IMO.

As for Bat villains, it's too early to tell but the Nolan villains were all great besides Talia. Maybe they weren't as fantastical as one would like, but they were written very well for the most part and lifted enough from the Comics that I would still call them fairly accurate interpretations.

I definitely don't mind that this Universe is going to be more "unreal" but at this point it doesn't hold a candle to the Nolan movies in any other way outside of aesthetics & willingness to go into the more fantastical elements of the comics. I have a hard time envisioning this Universe topping it from a writing/characterization/storyline perspective, or even coming remotely close to be honest.

But to each their own, that's just my thoughts on it.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

There was a debate going around the JL forums that I thought would be relevant here.

What should the stakes of this Batman movie be? The Nolan trilogy had the theme every movie of saving the city of Gotham physically from destruction in most cases. But also saving the soul of Gotham, that it was a city worth saving.

MOS had Superman prevent Zodd's Genocide of the human race.
Wonder Woman seems to be trying to end World War 1 and defeat (Ares the cause of it?)
Suicide Squad had the Suicide Squad stop an invasion of Midway city and Enchantress's attack on the U.S military using Waller's mind.

Does Batman need something on that level, or more personal. Or have more of a mystery/conspiracy to solve?

 

[Slade W]

I would love him solving a mystery or conspiracy. "Smaller" things like that can be much more interesting than having to save the entire world

 

[terry78]

The appeal of Batman has always been his approach to not only the ground level threats, but the things that were obviously more supernatural or sci-fi in nature, as his mindset has always been like, "if I can't explain it, it doesn't exist." And seeing him deal with a Man-Bat or something is always crazy. He takes it in stride, but upon seeing something that is obviously a monster his response is often, "are you ****ting me right now?"

 

[JOE]

Could this movie obtain the first "Fresh" movie on Rotten Tomatoes? If I had to put money on it I'd say so. I have a TON of faith in the Batfleck on this one.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

Personal vendettas and old conspiracies.

Batman should be the "thriller mystery/crime-drama" of DC's cinematic universe.

Yeah, there are going to be great set pieces of Batman fighting his rogues, ninjas, and mobsters on the rooftops of Gotham.

But the people really want the World's Greatest Detective. The people want The Batman. Give them what they want.

 

[The Joker]

I would love him solving a mystery or conspiracy. "Smaller" things like that can be much more interesting than having to save the entire world

Plus it would be something different because all previous movies, including the Burton/Schumacher ones, had Batman dealing with city wide threats.

 

[Enriquespy]

Soo I guess soon this forum will change name soon.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

Could this movie obtain the first "Fresh" movie on Rotten Tomatoes? If I had to put money on it I'd say so. I have a TON of faith in the Batfleck on this one.

Fingers crossed Geoff Johns insures that Wonder Woman has a smooth post production.

 

[godisawesome]

I'd prefer something more personal, where even the collateral damage the villain's comfortable with is lower than in other films, and the stakes are more intimate to Batman.

My preferred scenarios:

- Survive Deathstroke. Deathstroke comes hunting Batman, being both an overwhelming opponent, but also a surgical antagonist. Think of it as being a mixture between a survival film and High Noon, in that the threat is focused entirely on Batman himself, but his near isolation against Deathstroke makes sense because honestly the cops are totally outmatched (maybe he even has to restrain Gordon from getting involved). Imagine Batman investigating a murder, only to discover it's Deathstroke overlapping his contracts; kill a target then treat the body as bait for when Batman arrives so he can pursue Luthor's 1 Billion dollar bounty on Batman's head. Deathstroke quickly blows up the Batwing/Batmobile, and Batman's gadgets run dry, and he's forced to retreat repeatedly whil Deathstroke cuts off his route to Wayne Manor and starts destroying so other sanctuaries. Nightwing ends up coming to his aid, and maybe he receives some shelter from Catwoman, but Deathstroke becomes the rare villain Batman can't outfight and can't easily outthink, forcing him to team up with Noghtwing and Catwoman to take on Deathstroke.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

The thread title.

 

[The Joker]

Fingers crossed Geoff Johns insures that Wonder Woman has a smooth post production.

Miracles do happen sometimes.

 

[sweetre15]

On a somewhat relevant note....In light of Paul Dini's work on Batman TAS, The first two Arkham games and various comics....Would it be better to have him as a script consultant for a Batman film than Johns?

Not knocking Geoff Johns abilities by any means but I sometimes feel like it would be a no brainer to involve Dini with a Batman film because of how well he does with the character.

 

[Omegabat]

On a somewhat relevant note....In light of Paul Dini's work on Batman TAS, The first two Arkham games and various comics....Would it be better to have him as a script consultant for a Batman film than Johns?

Not knocking Geoff Johns abilities by any means but I sometimes feel like it would be a no brainer to involve Dini with a Batman film because of how well he does with the character.

He's bit of a one hit wonder though.

 

[sweetre15]

He's bit of a one hit wonder though.

Dini is?

 

[Omegabat]

Dini is?

Yeah, I mean he tries to do the same thing with Harley, Freeze, Hush, Ivy etc every single time. He wrote one great story for many characters and spent the rest of his career trying to ape them.

 

[sweetre15]

Yeah, I mean he tries to do the same thing with Harley, Freeze, Hush, Ivy etc every single time. He wrote one great story for many characters and spent the rest of his career trying to ape them.

IDK, I mean his stories for Arkham Asylum, Arkham City, the tie in comics for them, Batman: Streets of Gotham, Batman: War on Crime and Mad Love were all very high quality Batman works. He also overall seems to also have a very solid understanding of the essence of the Batman mythos and Batman himself.

Hell if you ask some people, Batman: Mask of the Phantasm (which he helped write) is still the best Batman movie altogether.

 

[Omegabat]

IDK, I mean his stories for Arkham Asylum, Arkham City, the tie in comics for them, Batman: Streets of Gotham, Batman: War on Crime and Mad Love were all very high quality Batman works. He also overall seems to also have a very solid understanding of the essence of the Batman mythos and Batman himself.

Hell if you ask some people, Batman: Mask of the Phantasm (which he helped write) is still the best Batman movie altogether.

Oh, he has a fair few great hits, the problem is that he cant sustain them. For instance Hush is a character he tried him best to build up but he failed. Mr Freeze has the same story again and again, then there's his weird fantasy shipping like Harley and Ivy & Batman and Zatanna. If he's trying something new I'd be all for Dini but if he plans on using the same things he's known for then he'll just repeat his previous body of work.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

From an interview for "The Accountant", Affleck stresses that the Batman movie is still in very early development, and that title has not yet been finalized.

http://screenrant.com/ben-affleck-batman-solo-movie-title/


“I mentioned the other day… it’s been around for a long time, the movie… there is no Batman movie happening yet, we’re still trying to figure it out, you know, get the script and budget and all that stuff.” Affleck explained. “And someone said, ‘what are you calling it?’ and I had said, like, back when we were promoting another movie, I was like ‘we don’t have a name for it, we’re just going with The Batman or Batman movie’, and I said that, and everyone was like ‘Affleck announces the title of his Batman movie.’”