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[Dr. Evil]

Dana White really ticks me off sometimes.

He's right though. He doesn't hate Women's MMA, all he's saying is that there isn't enough talent for one divison.

 

[Metallo]

Even if Morrison decides to stay in WWE and not rock the boat if Melina says anything negative about WWE theres a good chance WWE will punish him to get back at her.

I'd love to see her in TNA wrestling someone like Sarita but if not...I'm sure Batista has a position for her.

In WWE's eyes Natalya could take the jobber role to make to other girls look good. The only woman safe in WWE right now is Beth Phoenix...and The Bellas if they're pulling double duty on Johnny Ace's board.


Not surprised about Kozlov's release since he hasn't been around and that means creative forgets about him....even if the reason he's not around is because of an injury. Even Santino isn't doing much and without Santino Kozlov has nothing to do.

 

[BlackLantern]

He's right though. He doesn't hate Women's MMA, all he's saying is that there isn't enough talent for one divison.

nor has it shown itself to be a major draw

 

[Dr. Evil]

nor has it shown itself to be a major draw

He's also correct there.

 

[Specter313]

Melina and Gail are gone, yet ones like Rosa and Maryse are still here. Sigh. I can at least understand Gail's frustration, and I guess Melina just pissed someone off one too many times. Unfortunately, that probably means that it will keep some of the more worthless divas around longer.

 

[Wheels]

Morrison needs to drop Melina if he wants to be a star in WWE. If she's that important to him, then he should ask for his release now. WWE will probably keep him around though.

Who's ready to see JoMo job to Cole?

 

[Pink Ranger]

Those guys were entertaining. You loved to hate them. Most people that don't like Cole just want to see him go away.

Those others guys also added to the broadcast as heels. Cole detracts.

The difference between those other guys and Cole is that the other guys really "got" the concept of the heel commentator as the villain's advocate, who would actually advance an argument in favour of heel tactics. It didn't have to make sense; Bobby Heenan was the absolute master of going to absurd lengths to justify the actions of a given villain character, and Monsoon's exasperated reactions to Heenan's antics made them the best combined announce team in pro wrestling history.

Cole, on the other hand, just casts off insults on the faces but doesn't do much to advance the villain's cause (except for the Miz, and even then that has kind of gone by the wayside lately).

 

[BlackLantern]

the WWE wants performers they build and establish and ultimately control....Melina and Gail Kim have marketable skill and obviously don't need the WWE, at least from a talent perspective

 

[Kaleb]

I've always wondered if guys like Shawn Michaels,Steve Austin,Bret Hart,Rock were new comers to the wwe during this period who would survive and who would get cut?

 

[Wylie Times]

Anybody that's a fan of Morrison should be Thrilled that Melina got cut.....unless she talks him into quitting or doing something else stupid.

 

[TX85]

I'm not surprised that Kim left But I thought she would hold on a bit longer,I'm also not that surprised that Smith got released But I sure think he had some potential,I am pretty surprised about Melina though and it's a darn shame!!!

 

[TX85]

Anybody that's a fan of Morrison should be Thrilled that Melina got cut.....unless she talks him into quitting or doing something else stupid.

True!

 

[Specter313]

the WWE wants performers they build and establish and ultimately control....Melina and Gail Kim have marketable skill and obviously don't need the WWE, at least from a talent perspective

They kinda already had that with Melina though. She had little to no experience when they hired her and built her up through OVW and such. It was obvious she didn't have the most ring-experience and ability when she first debuted on tv, but she clearly improved over time. Gail established herself in TNA, but Melina was a WWE built diva.

 

[Pink Ranger]

I've always wondered if guys like Shawn Michaels,Steve Austin,Bret Hart,Rock were new comers to the wwe during this period who would survive and who would get cut?

Hart and Michaels were initially viewed as tag team specialists, and it took each of them a long time to become credible single stars, so neither of them would have made it in today's WWE.

Austin maybe, but the Rock definitely would make it, as he is the prototypical Vince McMahon wrestler.

 

[Kaleb]

Morrison can have a hissy fit and quit for all I care.

 

[Specter313]

I'm not surprised that Kim left But I thought she would hold on a bit longer,I'm also not that surprised that Smith got released But I sure think he had some potential,I am pretty surprised about Melina though and it's a darn shame!!!

The only thing I'm surprised about Smith is that it took this long. He hasn't been on tv in forever, and last there were reports about him, he was looking to get into something else, I can't remember what though, I think it might have been MMA.

 

[Nemi]

Anybody that's a fan of Morrison should be Thrilled that Melina got cut.....unless she talks him into quitting or doing something else stupid.

You are right but the bolded might be a big possibility unless he learned his lesson after Wrestlemania. It might be too late, like Metallo said they may punish him for any negative things she says about the company.

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

morrison will be gone by the end of the month. seriously this guy let melina talk him into doing doing while she rode the animal, ***** about her not being in a match she had no build up for and you really think she'll let him work for a company that sacked her

 

[Metallo]

I've always wondered if guys like Shawn Michaels,Steve Austin,Bret Hart,Rock were new comers to the wwe during this period who would survive and who would get cut?

On sheer talent they probably couldn't be denied but they'd have a MUCH harder time making it now.

Austin would end up a star but it would probably take much longer and he wouldn't be THE top guy. In his heart of hearts Vince wants a Hogan type and the only reason he went with Austin is because his back was against the wall WWF, was losing viewers, and WCW was kicking their a**.

Bret would have the same things working against him that guys like Morrison have against them but unlike the past Bret wouldn't have the luxury of figuring out how to create his own persona and style of talking. WWE would force him to read a script. And that would hurt him.

Shawn has the charisma but again his size would hold him back..but that didn't stop him before. But the fact that WWE would force him to use the WWE way of presenting himself on tv today were guys get less promo type (and what they do get is scripted) would hurt him.

There would be no tag division for Bret or Shawn to sharpen their in ring skills nor would their be a midcard/IC title scene where they could work on mic skills or in ring work

Another factor is would these guys be coming to WWE today with the same territorial training they had in the 70's and 80's or would they all be products of the WWE farm system?

If they were all products of FCW it would be even harder for them today.

Of all the guys you listed Rock would have the best and easiest chance of making it today. he was the one that was the most a product of WWE from his early days, he has the looks, the charisma, and the size.

When it comes to actual learning and success I truly believe this is the WORST time in WWE history for any young talent to start and develop.

the WWE wants performers they build and establish and ultimately control....Melina and Gail Kim have marketable skill and obviously don't need the WWE, at least from a talent perspective

WWE wants to create the next marketable Trish Stratus. They want a blond model type who they think they can teach to wrestle. Unfortunately they are hiring on looks and not even taking into account natural aptitude.

Otherwise they are non potent eye candy thats also kept around to keep the men happy on the road.

The difference between those other guys and Cole is that the other guys really "got" the concept of the heel commentator as the villain's advocate, who would actually advance an argument in favour of heel tactics. It didn't have to make sense; Bobby Heenan was the absolute master of going to absurd lengths to justify the actions of a given villain character, and Monsoon's exasperated reactions to Heenan's antics made them the best combined announce team in pro wrestling history.

Cole, on the other hand, just casts off insults on the faces but doesn't do much to advance the villain's cause (except for the Miz, and even then that has kind of gone by the wayside lately).

Its easier that JR is back on commentary because Coles heel act in the play by play position was even worse but Cole still distracts from the in ring action all together.

 

[venom892]

Not surprised with any of the releases.Nonetheless my thoughts

DH Smith-The biggest disappointment. He and Kidd should have been involved in the Nexus angle defending their title against different members.They could have lost it to Gabriel/Slater and then won them back towards the end of the Wade Barret lead Nexus.Then they could have be the center of the tag division.On his own Smith could have had great singles matches with Kidd,Sin Cara,Danielson and others.He actually had a great match with Zack Ryder a couple weeks ago on Superstars.

Chris Masters-Had improved since his last stint and I thought it was rumored he was in line for a midcard push.Not a huge loss but he could have been a fixture in the IC title division.He'd be better than Ezekiel "Scoop Slam" Jackson.

Melina-Great talent but a bit too much of a trouble maker.I bet if she kept her mouth shut she would have stayed.

Gail Kim-A real shame.In the top five divas easily.Could have had great fueds with Beth and Neidhart.But she was wasted and the only fued she had was with the Bellas over Danielson that didn't even conclude.She could have contributed a lot more.

Vladmir Koslov-At one point got a main event push but thank god that didn't pan out.I agree with this cut.

 

[BlackLantern]

Kozlov was one of Stephanies "projects"...wonder how that's going over back there

 

[Wylie Times]

I've always wondered if guys like Shawn Michaels,Steve Austin,Bret Hart,Rock were new comers to the wwe during this period who would survive and who would get cut?

Shawn would survive, only Taker is favored by Vince more.

Rock would make it, he'd be pushed in the same way that Cena is now probably.

Austin would end up like Punk, get jerked around for years and finally get a push when Vince is short on talent.

Bret would be cut or used to get younger guys over.

 

[Kaleb]

Shawn would survive, only Taker is favored by Vince more.

Rock would make it, he'd be pushed in the same way that Cena is now probably.

Austin would end up like Punk, get jerked around for years and finally get a push when Vince is short on talent.

Bret would be cut or used to get younger guys over.

Shawn would be new to the company why would Vince suddenly fav the new guy?esp when shawn isn't the stereotypical type wrestler that Vince is looking for?

 

[Wheels]

You are right but the bolded might be a big possibility unless he learned his lesson after Wrestlemania. It might be too late, like Metallo said they may punish him for any negative things she says about the company.

Which is why he will no doubt be jobbing to Cole soon.

The ultimate burial.

 

[Metallo]

Shawn would survive, only Taker is favored by Vince more.

Rock would make it, he'd be pushed in the same way that Cena is now probably.

Austin would end up like Punk, get jerked around for years and finally get a push when Vince is short on talent.

Bret would be cut or used to get younger guys over.

Kaleb is right. I assume we're talking about young Michaels and co. here. If Shawn came to WWE now a 23 year old rookie I doubt he'd get the chance to develop the Shawn Michaels bravado Vince came to respect nor would he get the platform to showcase it on if he did.

Shawn didn't impress Vince overnight. It took years..and back then it was a place where Shawn could learn and have some creative freedom when he did. He and Jannetty would be f***ed in a WWE tag division today. There is no Hart Foundation, no Brainbusters, no Demolition to work with.

The whole landscape is different. Everything from creative to the other talent these guys would be working with. I think the same applies to Taker.

Vince would hire Taker on his size alone...but would the Vince McMahon of today and his creative team cronies create the Undertaker gimmick or even have the great talent that (eventually) helped show what Taker was really made of later on? Hogan and Taker had no mind blowingly amazing match at Surv Series 91 but Taker getting his first title off Hogan meant something. WWE has no star today of Hogans caliber and even if they did they'd probably bungle a similar first title win: see Cena vs Sheamus at TLC.