Bill Maher snapped last night

[Joker]

just saw the vid (Thanks EdRyder), hillarious...Maher is awesome.

 

[Ghostvirus]

OMG! He went Jersey on that dude! Awesome!

 

[EdRyder]

No sweat brew

You know the thing that really gives me the ass is this "building Seven" malarkey.Its the old carrot on a stick routine.Get me to believe that and Il follow you to the rest of the bs.Because if thats a controlled demolition,then maybe just maybe ..The whole event was.
Clowns,....
Why cant they go pull that crap on Oprah
Hell -shes probly the only person left in a post 911 world that could even tell you "look under your chairs!!!" And you dont **** your pants

 

[Jerry!]

I feel the main problem with the "Bush planned it!" part of there argument is that they're actually saying GWB is smart enough to plan a massive conspiracy and pull it off without anyone finding out about it...the man makes up his own words and can barely speak for gods sake...

Well if you're going to buy into that theory, it would have to be more than just Bush behind this. I think it would involve a whole hell of a lot more people, and Bush would just be a figure piece really, not the head planner.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Has anyone ever have?

thinking individuals with an interest in politics and government before 9-11.
so, yeah.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Oh, they're ridiculous. I was in NY on 9/11, the first plane went over my building before it hit the WTC...I rode on the train that night with someone who was in the 2nd tower when the plane hit it. My friend's mom was in DC and saw the plane just before it crashed into the Pentagon. THEY WERE PLANES, PEOPLE.

The WTC had fire violation problems long before 9/11. I knew someone who worked there who said the fire alarms went off so often that they usually ignored them. My mom worked at a firehouse back when the towers were built, they were often referred to as "the world's biggest chimney." They were badly built, and the attack destroyed them completely.

Do I believe the government knew something like this would happen? Yes. Do I think they made it happen so we could go to Iraq, or whatever asinine theory they think? God, no. I don't defend Bush on much, but I never believed for a second he was responsible for anything like this.

And I love how Bill handled the protesters. Someone should do the same thing to the Loose Change idiots.

1st. of all no.
the towers were NOT, most decidedly NOT badly built, they were GENIUS! if your criteria for "badly built" was that they weren't up to code for the "2000 fire code" well, yeah, being built way before that will do that to you.
I mean, what are the odds of 2 planes hitting your building?
seriously, all these people saying the towers were built wrong are insane.
they were literal miracles of engineering at the time.

2nd.
why wouldn't you believe that the government would let 3,000 people die in order to expand US dominion of the world.
have you noticed that you're the country with the most bases all over the globe?
do you really think that it was a coincidence that the PNAC said that only until an attack happened in US soil, would it be feasible to attack Iraq and secure US interests in the Middle East? also a coincidence that people that penned this PNAC had close ties to the Bush administration, and had a great degree of involvement in the grooming of Governor Bush as a presidential candidate?

 

[terry78]

Well, it was a private showing, if he wanted to eject someone he had the right. It's not a public forum technically.

 

[danoyse]

1st. of all no.
the towers were NOT, most decidedly NOT badly built, they were GENIUS! if your criteria for "badly built" was that they weren't up to code for the "2000 fire code" well, yeah, being built way before that will do that to you.
I mean, what are the odds of 2 planes hitting your building?
seriously, all these people saying the towers were built wrong are insane.
they were literal miracles of engineering at the time.

2nd.
why wouldn't you believe that the government would let 3,000 people die in order to expand US dominion of the world.
have you noticed that you're the country with the most bases all over the globe?
do you really think that it was a coincidence that the PNAC said that only until an attack happened in US soil, would it be feasible to attack Iraq and secure US interests in the Middle East? also a coincidence that people that penned this PNAC had close ties to the Bush administration, and had a great degree of involvement in the grooming of Governor Bush as a presidential candidate?

 

[Apollo]

Never mind, I found it

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

And this is how conspiracy nay-sayers ultimately win the argument ^.



"Doesn't fit with my world-view or my personal perceptions of people I've seen on TV, so , it can not be true."


If it was back in the day and I told you that they were giving Indians blankets infested with small pox, you'd go:
", no one would really be that cruel."

Exact same thing happened when they finally liberated the camps in Nazi Germany.
People who weren't there yet got reports of how bad they were and they didn't rush in because they "knew" the Russians had to be exaggerating, 'cause, what they were saying just COULDN'T be true.



But, hey, awesome rebuttal......""


The fat kid is up on the counter, there's a step ladder lying on the ground below, he's covered in crumbs, chocolate smeared on his face, and there's an empty cookie jar,...
But when I tell you "I think that fat kid ate the cookies.", you say ""

 

[Matt]

The most evidence to support the truth movement is apparent impossibilities with the way the buildings collapsed. The "truth" movement ignores the countless engineers, architects, and other experts who testify to how the buildings could collapse under such conditions. But apparently none of this holds water because a few people with a computer and a belief in an evil reptilian overlord say so.

 

[Dorian Gray]

As much as I hate that attention ****e Maher he was well within his right to eject them from his audience....

 

[danoyse]

And this is how conspiracy nay-sayers ultimately win the argument ^.



"Doesn't fit with my world-view or my personal perceptions of people I've seen on TV, so , it can not be true."


If it was back in the day and I told you that they were giving Indians blankets infested with small pox, you'd go:
", no one would really be that cruel."

Exact same thing happened when they finally liberated the camps in Nazi Germany.
People who weren't there yet got reports of how bad they were and they didn't rush in because they "knew" the Russians had to be exaggerating, 'cause, what they were saying just COULDN'T be true.



But, hey, awesome rebuttal......""


The fat kid is up on the counter, there's a step ladder lying on the ground below, he's covered in crumbs, chocolate smeared on his face, and there's an empty cookie jar,...
But when I tell you "I think that fat kid ate the cookies.", you say ""

No, that was all the response the 9/11 conspiracy theorists deserve.

I was in NY on 9/11. I saw what happened with my own two eyes. I walked through those streets weeks after it happened. I know people who've worked on and in the WTC, I know first responders and people who worked at the site who can barely breathe now, and I know people whose relatives and friends were found in pieces in that wreckage--and one who's still waiting for anything to be found.

I have a friend in DC who was on the phone with my dad--she was checking in to see if he was alright after the WTC had been hit, and the plane that hit the Pentagon flew by while they were on the phone. So, no....I don't buy stories about secret cruise missles.

Yet, I've had these "theorists" try to tell me what I really saw. Or disputed things I actually saw, walked through, or experienced in the weeks following 9/11. How I couldn't possibly see dust from the buildings however many blocks away...because their theories say that's impossible. They tell me which way the smoke was blowing, when I watched it out a window in midtown for 6 hours live from my dad's office window. The idea that someone can tell me different is almost laughable, if it wasn't so pathetic and sad.

I'm not naive...any of that I had left disappeared long before 9/11. I don't trust our government, and I hate the choices they've made particularly in the last 6 years. But no, I don't believe they did this on purpose. I do think they knew damn well it was going to happen and failed to stop it, but I don't think they did it.

But don't try to tell me what *really* happened on 9/11. If you do, to that I can only say

 

[Jerry!]

I think that a lot of people don't want to believe the government was behind this. They don't want to entertain that thought. I don't want to either, but it wouldn't surprise me if that was the case, it really wouldn't.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

The most evidence to support the truth movement is apparent impossibilities with the way the buildings collapsed.

What?!

No way, a whole wing of "the movement" is devoted to the idea that the attacks were real, in line with the official story, but that the problem is that the government knew they were coming and allowed it to happen to further the goals of P.N.A.C.
Physics and architecture have nothing to do with any of it.

The "Truth Movement" is comprised of people who question the mainstream account of what happened that day.
Tons of them are more interested in stuff like:

The 9/11 investigations making light of the "Bin Ladin Airlift" during the no-fly period, and ignoring the long-standing Bush family business ties to the Bin Ladin family fortune. (A company in which both families held interests, the Carlyle Group, was holding its annual meeting on September 11th, with George Bush Sr., James Baker, and two brothers of Osama Bin Ladin in attendance.)


Principals in US foreign policy under the current Bush administration (including Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle and others) have been instrumental in developing long-running plans for worldwide military hegemony, including an invasion of the Middle East, dating back to the Ford, Reagan and Bush Sr. administrations. They reiterated these plans in the late 1990s as members of the "Project for a New American Century," and stated a clear intent to invade Iraq for the purpose of "regime change." After 9/11, they lost no time in their attempt to tie Iraq to the attacks.


How it's well documented that the officials topping the chain of command for response to a domestic attack - George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Myers, Montague Winfield - all found reason to do something else during the actual attacks, other than assuming their duties as decision-makers.

If you ask who was in charge, Dick Cheney, Richard Clarke, Norman Mineta and the 9/11 Commission directly conflict in their accounts of top-level response to the unfolding events, such that several (or all) of them must be lying.


How the US air defense system failed to follow standard procedures for responding to diverted passenger flights.

NORAD, FAA, Pentagon, USAF, as well as the 9/11 Commission - gave radically different explanations for the failure (in some cases upheld for years), such that several officials must have lied; but none were held accountable.

How the US military and other authorities planned or actually rehearsed defensive response to all elements of the 9/11 scenario during the year prior to the attack - including multiple hijackings, suicide crashbombings, and a strike on the Pentagon.

The multiple military wargames planned long in advance and held on the morning of September 11th included scenarios of a domestic air crisis, a plane crashing into a government building, and a large-scale emergency in New York. If this was only an incredible series of coincidences, why did the official investigations avoid the issue?
There is evidence that the wargames created confusion as to whether the unfolding events were "real world or exercise."
So people think the wargames served as a cover for air defense sabotage.

This makes it doubly preposterous when Bush and Cheney say "No one could have forseen planes crashing into buildings."
TELEVISION FICTION WRITERS foresaw that exact scenario.


It's super damning how multiple allied foreign agencies informed the US government of a coming attack in detail, including the manner and likely targets of the attack, the name of the operation (the "Big Wedding"), and the names of certain men later identified as being among the perpetrators.

And it's a fact that certain prominent persons received warnings not to fly on the week or on the day of September 11th.
There's a lady whose office is the exact point where a plane hit.
Guess where she was that morning.
She was at Warren Buffet's golf tournament, held on an Air Force base.
It's his annual golf tournament for all of his high powered friends, and every single other year, it was held on a different date (I can't remember, like, April 20th or whatever), but in 2001, after all those years, he told everyone that this year, it would be held on the morning of September 11th, so all his high powered friends took that morning off.

If you watch 9/11 retrospectives, you will see a lot of CEO's, talking about how sad it is that practically their whole staff was taken out.

........and how unknown speculators allegedly used foreknowledge of the Sept. 11th events to profiteer on many markets internationally - including but not limited to "put options" placed to short-sell the two airlines, WTC tenants, and WTC re-insurance companies in Chicago and London.



There's, uh, a lot more to it than engineering and physics.

The "truth" movement ignores the countless engineers, architects, and other experts who testify to how the buildings could collapse under such conditions. But apparently none of this holds water because a few people with a computer and a belief in an evil reptilian overlord say so.

I've seen both sides of this because as I've said before, my favorite magazines are "Paranoia" and "The Skeptic"...and I'm here to tell you, you're generalizing.
There are people on both sides that ignore experts, and there are people on both sides who don't have an agenda and really want to get at the truth.
There are people who think the Gov't. let it happen, who also ridicule claims about explosives in the buildings, just as there are people who believe the gov't. was innocent, but there are too many suspicious or convenient "facts" floating around to buy their "Official Story".

 

[EdRyder]

Well you do indeed make a great many good points Wilhelm.
And I agree that it is preposterous when anyone in this administration could claim"Who could have foreseen"
Especially given evidence like that PDB Rice wouldn't admit to.
Il check out this 911 retrospectives,..I just assumed that these were the "Loose Change" people

 

[Jerry!]

There are a lot of nutbags that come up with bull**** conspiracy theories, and those overshadow a lot of valid points others come up with. Lots of people just throw everyone who thinks that the government was behind the attacks into one bag and dismiss them, when its not as simple as that.

 

[Zoken]

So, the theory here goes that our governement not only knew of the attacks coming, and did nothing to stop them, but may have even encouraged or supported them? Is that the thinking?

No. I believe there may have been warning so this attack, whispers, rumors etc. picked up by intelligence agencies, but I also believe that they had warnings, whispers, and rumors of countless other attacks that didn't happen, never happened, and probably won't happen. They can't act on every single thing.

Who do I blame for all of this? a group of goddamn psychopaths who pervert a religion to support their hatred and fear. Call me naive if you must, but I refuse to believe that people within our own government would help that tragedy occur.

 

[Jerry!]

Would it really be that hard to believe though?

 

[Zoken]

yes

 

[Mr Sparkle]

No, that was all the response the 9/11 conspiracy theorists deserve.

I was in NY on 9/11. I saw what happened with my own two eyes. I walked through those streets weeks after it happened. I know people who've worked on and in the WTC, I know first responders and people who worked at the site who can barely breathe now, and I know people whose relatives and friends were found in pieces in that wreckage--and one who's still waiting for anything to be found.

I have a friend in DC who was on the phone with my dad--she was checking in to see if he was alright after the WTC had been hit, and the plane that hit the Pentagon flew by while they were on the phone. So, no....I don't buy stories about secret cruise missles.

Yet, I've had these "theorists" try to tell me what I really saw. Or disputed things I actually saw, walked through, or experienced in the weeks following 9/11. How I couldn't possibly see dust from the buildings however many blocks away...because their theories say that's impossible. They tell me which way the smoke was blowing, when I watched it out a window in midtown for 6 hours live from my dad's office window. The idea that someone can tell me different is almost laughable, if it wasn't so pathetic and sad.

I'm not naive...any of that I had left disappeared long before 9/11. I don't trust our government, and I hate the choices they've made particularly in the last 6 years. But no, I don't believe they did this on purpose. I do think they knew damn well it was going to happen and failed to stop it, but I don't think they did it.

But don't try to tell me what *really* happened on 9/11. If you do, to that I can only say

I'd like you to go back and read the post you happened to be responding to.
I'd like you to then read about the building of the twin towers, the engineer responsible was hailed as a genius at the time he designed the towers.
that much is irrefutable fact, because I had to read about him back when I was studying architecture, years before 9-11.
second of all, how does any part of my post affect "what you saw" I don't remember saying "robots flew into the towers" or that you "saw holograms" I merely stated the fact that 9-11 was a rather convenient event for people who were instrumental in George Bush's rise to power, people that have had the world to gain from this since it started, be it monetary or Political.
how is that refuting what you saw?
How does that have anything to do with wreckage or victims?
oh that's right.
It has NOTHING to do with those two things.
you should learn to read, you should think before you react.
scratch the last part, just learn to think, else the only one deserving "" is you.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

So, the theory here goes that our governement not only knew of the attacks coming, and did nothing to stop them, but may have even encouraged or supported them? Is that the thinking?

No. I believe there may have been warning so this attack, whispers, rumors etc. picked up by intelligence agencies, but I also believe that they had warnings, whispers, and rumors of countless other attacks that didn't happen, never happened, and probably won't happen. They can't act on every single thing.

Who do I blame for all of this? a group of goddamn psychopaths who pervert a religion to support their hatred and fear. Call me naive if you must, but I refuse to believe that people within our own government would help that tragedy occur.

because, it's not like anyone has profited from it right?

 

[Zoken]

because, it's not like anyone has profited from it right?

I didn't say I had proof, I didn't say I was supported by evidence or even historical trends. I just said that I refuse to believe that the Governement helped this atrocity take place.

 

[Jerry!]

Hey I don't want to believe it either. But I wouldn't be surprised in the least if they are behind it.

 

[Zoken]

Don't we already know that a conspiracy went on? what wast it, a dozen men infiltrated this country, took lessons in flying, then hijacked the planes. Isn't that enough of a conspiracy?