Black Panther: Should they include the heart shaped herb?

[Donald Thomas]

Hey Donald, what did you think of Civil War's Spider-man and Peter Parker?

Aloha,
Like I've been saying from the start. NO ONE can present the Marvel super heroes like Marvel. What ever they are paying Kevin Feige, it's not enough. He has proven that he knows how to present these characters in the truest light to their comic book presentation. I think Spider-Man Homecoming will break every record of the past 5 Spider-Man movies.Black Panther was presented so well, I predict it will be one of the MUST GO TO movies of 2018.
Spidey rules except in Wakanda

 

[Gamma Ra]

What do you guys think?

I think they should. It is part of the Black Panther Mythos, there is nothing wrong with it.

 

[TheRedWraith]

I think they should. It is part of the Black Panther Mythos, there is nothing wrong with it.

I can't remember but was it the suit making him superhuman or was he already superhuman without it, I think he was but I can't be sure.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

He seemed pretty strong and agile outside of the suit.

 

[Chesterfield]

T'Challa is superhuman sans the suit.

 

[Wylie Times]

I can't remember but was it the suit making him superhuman or was he already superhuman without it, I think he was but I can't be sure.

He was superhuman without the suit.

Before we saw him in the suit we saw him leap across the room to protect his father and he survived a huge blast that would have killed a normal person. During Bucky's escape we see T'Challa go toe to toe with him and leap at least 15 feet in the air to cut off Bucky's escape.

The only things we didn't see from T'Challa in terms of his powers were his superhuman senses.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Not to nitpick but T'Challa is more of a metahuman like Cap, not superhuman.

Right?

 

[Wylie Times]

Not to nitpick but T'Challa is more of a metahuman like Cap, not superhuman.

Right?

In the MCU Cap is basically superhuman. Once your start out running cars, holding helicopters in place, and throwing motorcycles you've gone past peak human/metahuman levels.

 

[metaphysician]

In the movies, Cap is flat out superhuman, as is T'Challa. I'm not sure how "metahuman" is supposed to be different than "superhuman".

 

[Mike5575]

The term "metahuman" is the same as superhuman. But, I think DC has rights to that word, so you'll never hear that word thrown around in the MCU.

I would still argue though, that some of Cap's feats aren't superhuman. Outrunning a car may be impressive, but humans could possibly run up to 40mph. It depends on how fast the cars were going. The helicopter thing is tricky since it is also working against gravity and not just Captain America.

 

[Chesterfield]

And picking up and throwing a motorcycle...Cap, Bucky and T'Challa in the movies are straight up superhuman.

 

[metaphysician]

Also, that 40 MPH number isn't really accurate. It comes from a calculation of of how fast one could theoretically run if you railed all the limiting biomechanical factors to their limits, given the basic materials used to compose a human body. The actual world record sprint is only 28 MPH, and I seriously doubt we will ever see anything close to a 40 MPH sprint without notable human augmentation.

That said, the real issue is that any attempt to explain away Cap's ( and Bucky's and T'Challa's ) physical feats as "actually not really superhuman" ends up breaking Occam's Razor. It takes considerably more complexity and sophistry to make such a rationalization, feat by feat, than the much easier explanation of "they are superhuman". The only reason anybody even tries is because of comic book precedent, a precedent that the movies have never actually invoked in the first place.

 

[TheRedWraith]

And picking up and throwing a motorcycle...Cap, Bucky and T'Challa in the movies are straight up superhuman.

Not only did he throw the (presumably 1,000 pound) motorcycle something like 15 feet, he threw it so hard it went through a military suv's engine compartment completely stopping said SUV that was going fast enough and had enough inertia to cause the backend to pop up in the air by a signifigant amount as a result of the sudden stop.