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Bought/Thought for 1/19/11 - SPOILERS!

It sucks being unemployed again. So many good books out there. I gotta wait till Spring Semester at school starts up so I can get my financial aid check.
 
THOR #619: This is the fifth issue by Matt Fraction and Pasqual Ferry, and while Ferry's artwork (backed by Chris Hollingswoth's terrific colors) is always something to behold, the story has often been dodgy. Thor acts oddly, and the pace moves along far too slowly - a dilemma that has plagued Fraction's run on INVINCIBLE IRON MAN within the past year or two. By sheer virtue of this being the third (and last) comic this Examiner bought, it has to be covered. In truth, this issue is better than some of the last five. The crux of the story up until this point is that a race of red warriors are cutting their way through the mystical nine realms because Asgard has left that dimensional space to be set up in Oklahoma (where it was destroyed during SIEGE). Thor and the rest of his people are trying to rebuild, or at least move the rubble into piles. Under Fraction, Thor has suddenly revived his arch nemesis (and brother) Loki regardless of his role in Asgard's destruction, dismissed his Donald Blake persona in particular and many mortals in general, and as of last issue, revived his father Odin as well. One would think Thor was about to have a feature film and the comic was trying to go back to a similar status quo with all the subtlety of a sledgehammer through Jello. Odin, at the very least, calls out Thor for his idiocy in reviving Loki and fiddling while a threat mounts against them. Iron Man and Jane Foster also arrive, and Balder and Tyr make a final stand. Odin delivers exposition and screaming - his stock and trade. A technical problem that has plagued this entire run is that Pasqual Ferry often has panels stretch across two pages that are meant to be read as one long page versus two distinct pages, and it is not always obvious how one should read a two page spread until the panels seem awkward. The run by writer Kieron Gillen was surprisingly good; this one, however, seems to be more frustrating than epic.

I have to say I am with Odin on this one; Thor's been acting like a moron for some time now.

While not the worst thing Marvel publishes by any means, it is not worth $3.99 for a story in which a mere four panels are told within two pages. Matt Fraction will be writing FEAR ITSELF, Marvel's "event" for 2011, and THOR figures to be a key part of that. Given that THOR is also being relaunched into MIGHTY THOR in three months, obviously sales need another spike. Hopefully Fraction reclaims his A-game soon, although I doubt it. This series is being relaunched in April, which means this story will end in March. I'm not sure I can or desire to hold out that long.

I'm with you on this one! Thor is the first comic I've ever read. Fraction's image of Thor is pretty horrendous! I could understand Thor feeling sad about Loki being dead but come on! Loki has been the cause of many horrible things to happen to Asgard and it's people!

Fraction is just not doing it for me!!! I can't wait for his run end! Also I am not a fan of Ferry's and Hollingswoth's artwork! It just screams coloring book to me
 
The sad part about the Loki thing is that it would've been perfectly fine if Thor hadn't resurrected Loki himself. I can understand Thor, in the wake of his brother's death, remembering and dwelling mostly on the good parts of Loki and then rushing to protect the kid version who embodies all of those good parts again. But leaping to resurrect Loki himself after everything he did is a step too far. It just doesn't make sense. Thor has a lot of much more pressing problems than just missing his bro.

Meanwhile, emo/suicidal Balder is just pathetic and totally wrong for that character. :o
 
What about Scarlet? Isn't that supposed to be him in his element? Even though nobody's actually buying it?

All the issues so far has sold pretty well, actually. Not as good as the superhero stuff, but definitely very solid numbers for a more indie-ish books. Pretty sure each issue has cracked the top 30 or 40. Granted, it's only had 4 issues due to the bi-monthly series. Still pretty good, though.
 
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Except that'll never happen. Fraction has whatever Bendis has--no matter how terrible his comics are, people buy them in droves.

The only reason I'm buying a book written by him is because I love the character/book. I just believe that he just doesn't get Thor and thus can't write a proper story line for Thor! Bendis just strikes me as someone who gets too much credit cause I feel he is overrated as a writer!

Fraction... I don't much about him. So all I can go by is his work on Thor which mediocre at best!!
 
Fraction's actually a great writer, one of the best of the new crop of writers I think. His Casanova series is probably the best series to come out in the last decade. Five Fists of Science is damn good, too. Unfortunately, it looks not to have translated to his superhero work, outside IIF.
 
The sad part about the Loki thing is that it would've been perfectly fine if Thor hadn't resurrected Loki himself. I can understand Thor, in the wake of his brother's death, remembering and dwelling mostly on the good parts of Loki and then rushing to protect the kid version who embodies all of those good parts again. But leaping to resurrect Loki himself after everything he did is a step too far. It just doesn't make sense. Thor has a lot of much more pressing problems than just missing his bro.

Meanwhile, emo/suicidal Balder is just pathetic and totally wrong for that character. :o

I totally agree with you on both parts! I feel it would have been smarter for Thor being tricked into bringing Loki back or Loki excaping the afterlife. to just bring him back as child is just plain uncharacteristic of Thor!

Also Balder acting the way he is just plain stupid! The Norse gods where hardcore! I understand this is a comic but come on this comic is based the Norse mythos and those gods where extremely violent badasses!

Hell their verison of heaven is all about eating,fighting, killing, drinking and screwing! Both Thor and Balder would/should be happy for those who had fallen during the Siege mini-series!

Fraction just doesn't get Thor plain and simple! Simonson, Oeming and to certian extent JMS all understood Thor and how the Norse act!
 
I loved Fraction's Ages of Thunder mini, but his problem is that he's still writing the characters as he wrote them there. That overly angry, super-macho vibe worked for the ancient gods, back when they were a bunch of filthy bastards and liars, but it definitely doesn't work for the gods now. Stan Lee clearly had a more heroic, noble ideal in mind for the gods when he introduced their modern-day incarnations.
 
I loved Fraction's Ages of Thunder mini, but his problem is that he's still writing the characters as he wrote them there. That overly angry, super-macho vibe worked for the ancient gods, back when they were a bunch of filthy bastards and liars, but it definitely doesn't work for the gods now. Stan Lee clearly had a more heroic, noble ideal in mind for the gods when he introduced their modern-day incarnations.

Oh yeah, forgot about that. It was pretty solid, too.
 
My thoughts on comics this week can be pretty easily summed up:

I'm dropping Thor for the first time in 7 or 8 years if Fraction's next issue is as utterly detestable as this week's.

Wow. I'd say I am with you, but I can say that the JMS run of THOR was the first time I'd actually paid to read THOR (my mother had a subscription to THOR in the 80's and 90's, but I rarely read it). I certainly won't miss it much.

Anyway, Avengers Academy was good. It made me love Tigra more than I ever have before. Those kids are total d-bags. I was disappointed in Veil going along with that s***. I liked her. But I guess I can understand her reaction. Regardless, it should be interesting to see how things pan out next issue. I hope Striker's ass gets booted out for good, but I know from solicitations that he's sticking around.

Christos Gage has long displayed a fondness for Tigra. She started getting more to do in AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE once he started co-writing it by issue #7 or #8, and she became one of the main stars once he took over solo duties on it when DARK REIGN started. He's been the only writer in recent memory who wanted to do more with her than offer cheesecake or "furry" fetish fuel. He has treated her like a strong heroine for at least the past 1-2 years. He's taken her victimization at the hands of Hood (and Bendis) and really turned it into story fuel. That's the way to do it.

To be fair, not ALL the kids went after Hood. To a degree it isn't like they're completely without a point. They're about to enter the hero game, and if villains feel they can simply waltz into a hero's home, smack them around and threaten their family, well, THEIR lives are in peril. They have been involved in battles against villains with grudges against Hank Pym, like Whirlwind, who are willing to hurt the kids just to get at him. To them, it may seem like the adults' way of doing things doesn't work and it's time to do something else. Of course, it isn't exactly the right thing to do, and as Tigra said, it's just being a bully. She did similar things herself for a bit, but now admits it was wrong and "an over reaction". She also is apparently the first of the adult heroes in that group who publicly admitted she needs help. Speedball has been burying it for a while, and Hank Pym needed a full intervention to try to get over Jan.

I am curious about where Gage will go with Taskmaster and Finesse next issue. Given his own mini, Tony Master could have easily had a kid and totally forgotten about her. The irony? Taskmaster, despite having some similarities to Wolverine (a killing machine with amnesia issues who has terrible secrets), he's suddenly become a lot more sympathetic to me.

I just hope Gage is actually allowed to, one day, have a final showdown type battle involving the Hood that really counts. It's unlikely because Bendis has used him as the New Avengers' exclusive nemesis for about 3 years now.

Except that'll never happen. Fraction has whatever Bendis has--no matter how terrible his comics are, people buy them in droves.

Not as much as you'd think. If you think the Fraction/Ferry run on THOR has outsold Gillen's, the numbers say you're wrong. The lowest that any issue of Gillen's 11 issue run on THOR sold was just over 51k (his final issue sold over 53k). Fraction's THOR was selling at 51k by his second issue on it, and by November, it was selling at 49k. His THOR ended 2010 with just over 45k sales. Technically, his THOR has remained a Top 25 book, but the Top 100 in general has been seeing diminishing sales. I mean, these were months where the #1 seller didn't sell 100k, and for some, Marvel's top seller didn't even hit 89k - numbers that ICV2 have claimed are the lowest since 2001 (when all comics were no higher than $2.99 and many were still $2.50 or $2.75). The fact that Fraction's THOR is being relaunched in April 2011, after only 8 issues, is a sign that Marvel is aware that sales are dwindling on his watch, so they're trying the only trick they know, a retitle/renumbering relaunch, to spike them, if only for a couple months (or less).

As for INVINCIBLE IRON MAN, sales on that book have fallen about 33% over the last year, including a 23% drop in the last 6 months. Fraction has been unable to keep Iron Man's core title selling above 50k for a very long time, and by November it was down to 40k (December saw a slight climb back to 41k, and I am sure issue #500 will see a spike due to collectors and variant covers).

My point is that comparing him to Bendis is a little absurd in terms as numbers go. Bendis' NEW AVENGERS and AVENGERS, as well as virtually all of Marvel's comics, have seen horrible sales drops in the final quarter of 2010, but Bendis' comics seem to outsell Fraction's by over 20k. If we're looking at raw sales, Dan Slott's ASM and Ed Brubaker's SECRET AVENGERS outsell Fraction's comics on a usual basis.

Gillen is taking over for Fraction on UXM, and you'll notice not a soul online is complaining. Marvel is expecting sales spikes for FEAR ITSELF, but to be blunt, I'd say that expecting that to match SIEGE's peak of some 135k or so sales might be expecting too much. Outside of comic sales, Marvel is better than it has ever been, but in terms of comic sales, things are looking like 2001 again. And Fraction's lost far more readers on THOR than Gillen did; the numbers don't lie. The drop from November to December alone was over 10%.

I like Ferry's art but not on Thor. I'd welcome the return to Coipel if Fraction weren't attached to it. But Braithwaite is awesome as well. I hope he's the regular artist on JiM and not just a one-off. His art style suits Thor's world really well.

I actually like Ferry's art on THOR, but he's drawn for some dodgy stuff lately. He drew an arc of Ellis' ULTIMATE FANTASTIC FOUR (or was it Mike Carey, I forget) about alternate realities that was nearly incomprehensible.

Lost interest in USM around the first Carnage arc and never looked back. Secret Invasion followed the pattern of all of Bendis' other arcs: lots of build-up to a thoroughly unsatisfying conclusion.

He has good ideas but I just can't stand his writing style. Besides the aforementioned (major) pacing issue, his dialogue just annoys the hell out of me and unnecessarily decompresses his already-decompressed storytelling style even further. It doesn't need to take a full page of "ums" and "uhs" and back-and-forth monosyllabic banter for Spider-Man to communicate to Captain America that a bad guy is escaping, for example.

But to each his own. :)

I stayed on USM until the end of the Clone Saga, which was worse than the 90's version (due to having hindsight) and never looked back. At the time, the most harsh reviews of anything I'd ever reviewed on SHH were for that. At one point I recall writing something to the effect of, "I hope every copy of this sells just so they can all be piled onto a bonfire so it's atoms can be wiped from the earth" or something. It was 2006 I think; I was still in college.

His whole Charlie Huston and David Finch run was really, really weird. I could not for the life of me figure out what was going on. But after Huston left, MK had some pretty good runs that really explored his insanity and self conflict. I feel like MK is one of those characters that has an untapped potential that no writer has seemed to bring out yet.

The Huston run on MOON KNIGHT started dark and then went absurdly dark and I left after issue #19 or so. I tried Hurwitz' VENGEANCE OF THE MOON KNIGHT run, and while it was far from perfect, it was an improvement. Moon Knight barely had a 3-4 month break between launches now, so I think it is wise of Marvel to try to give him a little rest before the Bendis/Maleev run.

I'm with you on this one! Thor is the first comic I've ever read. Fraction's image of Thor is pretty horrendous! I could understand Thor feeling sad about Loki being dead but come on! Loki has been the cause of many horrible things to happen to Asgard and it's people!

Fraction is just not doing it for me!!! I can't wait for his run end! Also I am not a fan of Ferry's and Hollingswoth's artwork! It just screams coloring book to me

I like the artwork, but, yes, it's the script that isn't doing it for me on THOR. To be honest I might have dropped it this week, but it was a slow week and I need at least 3 comics to review at Examiner. My shop didn't have YOUNG JUSTICE #0; if it had, I may have tried that.

The sad part about the Loki thing is that it would've been perfectly fine if Thor hadn't resurrected Loki himself. I can understand Thor, in the wake of his brother's death, remembering and dwelling mostly on the good parts of Loki and then rushing to protect the kid version who embodies all of those good parts again. But leaping to resurrect Loki himself after everything he did is a step too far. It just doesn't make sense. Thor has a lot of much more pressing problems than just missing his bro.

Meanwhile, emo/suicidal Balder is just pathetic and totally wrong for that character. :o

I agree here. Loki coming back as an 11 year old itself isn't a bad idea. But having Thor revive him AS that idealized brother he imagined is, well...you could say neurotic at best. The sort of thing Hercules would scream at Zeus for doing.

Now more than ever, Hercules is coming off as the god who has half a brain. He's never done stuff as stupid as Thor has done the last few months.

Fraction's actually a great writer, one of the best of the new crop of writers I think. His Casanova series is probably the best series to come out in the last decade. Five Fists of Science is damn good, too. Unfortunately, it looks not to have translated to his superhero work, outside IIF.

To be fair, Fraction translated to superhero work fine with THE ORDER, which ran for 10 issues before INVINCIBLE IRON MAN launched. Because it was good, it sold poorly, and he ended it before it would have been canceled, essentially. It's a shame because he hasn't written anything better for Marvel solo; IMMORTAL IRON FIST still was alongside Brubaker. Since THE ORDER, it's been all downhill for Fraction in terms of solo superhero work. Which is a shame because THE ORDER was very good; it did what Gage is doing with AVENGERS ACADEMY now, only a few years earlier.

It seems any writer who does critically acclaimed work who suddenly enters the big leagues at Marvel suddenly has their work suffer. It sure did with Bendis. Brubaker has had his stumbles since he's gotten higher books, like an Avengers one. And now Fraction. What's the common thread? The editorial team. Whatever they're doing, they're stifling whatever talent the big guys have when they reach that level. It isn't deliberate but I don't think it is a coincidence anymore. Now that Axel Alonso has more official power over that stuff, I am curious if this may change or remain the same.

On the other hand, it seems all the writers who work through "the minor leagues" of the Marvel Adventures line for years before slowly moving up seem to have done better. Jeff Parker, Fred Van Lente, Sean McKeever, Paul Tobin, etc. Christos Gage is an exception, but there always are. I always feel Gage still doesn't get enough credit around the Internet; he's every bit as reliable for quality as Jeff Parker and Fred Van Lente are. AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE became a markedly better book once Gage took it over solo, and I in no way mean that as an insult to Dan Slott, who is another terrific writer who launched that book and did great work on it; Gage's game was just better on it. When Gage and Slott double-team for a story, it's always great. Gage's AVENGERS ACADEMY is the best Avengers book on the racks, bar none. He's also written for TV, but doesn't treat comic book work as any sort of second class gig, unlike some other TV writers I could mention.

Dan Slott's been in the industry for a very long time and I have to say he's lived up to BIG TIME on ASM; if he hadn't I wouldn't be on it now. I gave it a chance for that promotion and I haven't regretted it. His MIGHTY AVENGERS, while not perfect, was still one of the best runs on Avengers since 2004. He and Gage have sort of worked off each other with a lot of Avengers stuff and it's paid off.

It is weird, though, that you have a class of writers who have done exceptional work, but once they enter the Executive Bathroom level, the quality seems to stagnate (at best), while you have another class of writers who may not quite be there yet or are close and they're the ones hitting quality grand slams. And to me that means something in editorial is happening, or NOT happening.
 
I had actually forgotten about The Order, too. Never did get around to reading it, unfortunately, but thanks for the reminder.

Anyway, I think the answer to your conundrum is actually pretty simply. It's quite cynical, and maybe even depressing to think like this, but I think a lot of it boils down to a simple formula. You do the popular stuff to 1) Pay the bills, and 2) Finance the projects you actually want to do. People obviously do number one all the time, and it's kind of a necessity, since the direct market is not kind to indie creators. A good example of the second is Grant Morrison with 52. He wasn't planned to do it, originally, but DC asked him, and he bargained to do it into exchange for continuing Seaguy, a Vertigo series that sold so terribly they didn't even want to print the planned sequels.

That's not to say these writers don't put real effort into those works. It's obvious Morrison is really putting a lot of time and thought into his Batman work, but I suspect most of them really don't. I hate to say that, since I'm essentially saying their mainstream superhero work is their 'hack' work, which may not be true, but it's generally my suspension. Fraction, for example, is heavily criticized for decompressed storytelling, and anyone whose read a single issue of Casanova knows that Fraction knows how to load an issue with content without killing the pace or anything (the series was actually released in a slim format with, I believe, 18 pages as opposed to 22, for $1.99, and generally had about two-three times as much content as three regular sized comics nowadays).

Of course, you do have a point with editorial. Very few writers really have the kind of freedom someone like Grant Morrison has with the mainstream superhero fare (and even he gets the occasional edit here and there), so maybe if they had that they would be more inclined to bring their A-game to these comics, but God only knows what can of worms that opens.

And, then, I guess sometimes it's as simple as the writers not being all that suited for one thing as they are another.
 
Thats a great point Tron Bonne about writer creative freedom. I'm incredibly surprised DC let Morrison do the thing she did to Batman. I mean he actually gave Bruce Wayne a 10 year old biological son! JMS tried to give Peter Parker some kids and well....the rest is history (not saying it was a good decision to begin with, just making a point). I think the best work at marvel over the last 10 years at marvel stemmed from creators just doing what they wanted with the characters with no interference from editorial.

I mean, say what you will about Bendis but if a writer proposed 20 years ago to have Spiderman and wolverine on the Avengers, editorial would have shot it down. Joe Quesada was pretty much like "Sure, why not? See what happens.". Now the Avengers are the biggest franchise in comics. For the most part it seems like Marvel seemed to have a pretty laissez faire attitude towards story ideas during this last decade. Writers were doing all sorts of crazy crap to characters, some of it stuck, some of it didn't. But i think if you give a good writer the freedom to do what he wants, it produces good results the majority of the time.
 
I had actually forgotten about The Order, too. Never did get around to reading it, unfortunately, but thanks for the reminder.

No prob.

Anyway, I think the answer to your conundrum is actually pretty simply. It's quite cynical, and maybe even depressing to think like this, but I think a lot of it boils down to a simple formula. You do the popular stuff to 1) Pay the bills, and 2) Finance the projects you actually want to do. People obviously do number one all the time, and it's kind of a necessity, since the direct market is not kind to indie creators. A good example of the second is Grant Morrison with 52. He wasn't planned to do it, originally, but DC asked him, and he bargained to do it into exchange for continuing Seaguy, a Vertigo series that sold so terribly they didn't even want to print the planned sequels.

That's not to say these writers don't put real effort into those works. It's obvious Morrison is really putting a lot of time and thought into his Batman work, but I suspect most of them really don't. I hate to say that, since I'm essentially saying their mainstream superhero work is their 'hack' work, which may not be true, but it's generally my suspension. Fraction, for example, is heavily criticized for decompressed storytelling, and anyone whose read a single issue of Casanova knows that Fraction knows how to load an issue with content without killing the pace or anything (the series was actually released in a slim format with, I believe, 18 pages as opposed to 22, for $1.99, and generally had about two-three times as much content as three regular sized comics nowadays).

But, what "smaller" projects do a lot of these type of writers want to push? Did Bendis have to do a hundred events and Avengers books to keep POWERS going (which comes out about once a quarter) or to get TAKIO published under Icon? I don't imagine Marvel refusing to allow Bendis to write, say, SCARLET (which is Icon) or MOON KNIGHT unless he "had" to do something else. If anything, I imagine Marvel will publish, or consider publishing, anything he wants.

Marvel's Icon is different from Vertigo, though. It's basically an imprint that allows writers to do whatever they want, just to stay under contract with Marvel and Marvel likely gets a minor cut of the sales from publication (perhaps 10% or so) - which beats the 0% Marvel would get if such projects were published at Image or elsewhere. Brubaker has CRIMINAL and Fraction has CASANOVA, but I didn't think Icon was such a big deal.

Of course, you do have a point with editorial. Very few writers really have the kind of freedom someone like Grant Morrison has with the mainstream superhero fare (and even he gets the occasional edit here and there), so maybe if they had that they would be more inclined to bring their A-game to these comics, but God only knows what can of worms that opens.

Marvel gave Morrison a lot of leeway with X-Men. After all, that was the midst of the Bill Jemas era, the sales weren't as high as they'd become in, say, 2006, and he was a big name. His X-Men was a Top 5-10 seller. They balked at him killing off Magneto, and they would later rip out much of his entire run's purpose, root and stem, but at the time he got a lot of leeway. Perhaps not as much as DC gives him, but he's been further entrenched at DC.

I think a problem with editorial at Marvel, at least until recently, is there is an awkward push of putting out an agenda while at the same time there being little structure on how to handle it or what the finer details are. The SHRA is an easy example. That was the fundamental detail of CIVIL WAR, the law under which it and THE INITIATIVE that came later would be built upon. Yet no two writers seemed to agree on what it meant. Mark Millar intended it to mean superheroes HAD to reveal their identities to the government - NOT the media and/or the public at large. JMS, who at the time was writing ASM and FANTASTIC FOUR, seemed to believe it meant revealing one's identity not only to the government, but to the media and public AS WELL. Big difference. And other details about the law other writers would make up as they go and had no coordination with how they fit together. And this doesn't even get into all the personalities written out of whack.

Marvel editorial, bluntly, has taken a long time to realize when an agenda hasn't worked or isn't working. M-Day as a direction has failed. The intention was to try to get mutants back to being "rare and special" again - the idea being that them being "in the millions" worldwide was too much. Ironically, with a population in the millions, this allowed writers, like Grant Morrison, to tell a lot of minority relation stories that had more baring on the real world. Once the mutants were reduced to under 200, or less than a Facebook fanpage, those stories ceased. Now the X-Men became, effectively, the Inhumans (while the Inhumans went into space to become the Kree Elite, basically). But the bigger dilemma is there being 198 mutants and the rest of them being depowered is a story line, not a status quo that can be built upon. It seems there has been little firm editorial direction on where to go with M-Day, and years of time have been wasted making things up as they went along (which is obvious because if things HAD been planned that poorly...then frankly, some editors should have been shown the door). Now of course we have Hope and 5 new mutants, but given how many of the 198 have been killed during crossover events, and things are still the same. Some Handbooks seem to believe that new mutants are being born again, while the general editorial line is, "only the 5 lights have activated".

So the impression is that editorial gives an idea of, "whatever you do, this, this, and this MUST HAPPEN," but then gives no clue how to get there or where there is or what happens after one gets there.

Joe Casey of all people has accused Marvel of playing "too safe" in these low sales times, feeling that deaths and resurrections and all that have been done too often to cause much spark ( http://www.comicsbeat.com/2011/01/19/working-for-a-living-joe-casey/ ). Certainly, pushing two Thor or Cap comics a week isn't exactly breaking the bank, although it is breaking shop budgets.

And, then, I guess sometimes it's as simple as the writers not being all that suited for one thing as they are another.

That is also true. Not every writer can write every thing. Stephen King may be the balls for horror or sci-fi, but I wouldn't trust him to do a superhero story, or a children's fairy tale. Brian Bendis at his best was fine for crime pulp stuff or solo heroes who were related to the former; USM and DAREDEVIL catered to that, his Avengers work has not. As for Fraction, I'm not sure what his best is to be honest. He was fine on THE ORDER and he has a lot of good ideas, but he needs to tighten his pacing and make sure that the characters he wants to write are the same as the characters who have existed - the Thor he writes, for instance, may as well be Ragnarok.

I've had a friend tell me that how many issues an arc will be is determined more by the editor than the writer (or rather a writer cannot take 6-12 issues to tell a story unless the editor agrees). Well, I think it is long past time Marvel tightened a lot of **** up in their comics. DC's running circles around them in terms of pricing, and if word gets out that, well, DC's top books actually have THINGS HAPPEN WITHIN EACH SINGLE ISSUE, well...that could be a dilemma.

Some writers seem to get pace better (Dan Slott, Christos Gage, Jeff Parker, Fred Van Lente) and others just don't (Bendis, Fraction, and sometimes Brubaker).
 
But, what "smaller" projects do a lot of these type of writers want to push? Did Bendis have to do a hundred events and Avengers books to keep POWERS going (which comes out about once a quarter) or to get TAKIO published under Icon? I don't imagine Marvel refusing to allow Bendis to write, say, SCARLET (which is Icon) or MOON KNIGHT unless he "had" to do something else. If anything, I imagine Marvel will publish, or consider publishing, anything he wants.

Marvel's Icon is different from Vertigo, though. It's basically an imprint that allows writers to do whatever they want, just to stay under contract with Marvel and Marvel likely gets a minor cut of the sales from publication (perhaps 10% or so) - which beats the 0% Marvel would get if such projects were published at Image or elsewhere. Brubaker has CRIMINAL and Fraction has CASANOVA, but I didn't think Icon was such a big deal.

I guess maybe bad wording on my part; I should have said and/or in between those two things, they don't necessarily go hand and hand. Usually, it's probably one or the other (like the Morrison example with Seaguy was probably pure number 2 since he doesn't have to worry about scraping enough for the bills, I imagine). I'd say a majority of it is number 1, because that's where the real money is. Most indie stuff really just doesn't sell well enough initially to keep a writer going and need more solid funding from big projects. Some of them, admittedly, could probably live off their creator-owned project, like Millar and Bendis, so they probably do it still because they either A) really do enjoy it or B) want more of that nom nom money regardless.
 
I should read The Order on Marvel's digital format... I wonder if it's available...
 
Question: How is "Invincible Iron Man" at #500 now?

I count:
Volume 1: #1-332
Volume 2: #1-13
Volume 3: #1-89
Volume 4: #1-35
Volume 5: #1-33

That's 502 issues.

Is it that they didn't count Volume 5: #31-33 because the title on the cover had "War Machine" covering "Iron Man" up? It was still counted as "Iron Man: Director of S.H.I.E.L.D." on the fine print inside the books... That has to be it.
 
Its best to not try and think too hard about it man.
 
Question: How is "Invincible Iron Man" at #500 now?

I count:
Volume 1: #1-332
Volume 2: #1-13
Volume 3: #1-89
Volume 4: #1-35
Volume 5: #1-33

That's 502 issues.

Is it that they didn't count Volume 5: #31-33 because the title on the cover had "War Machine" covering "Iron Man" up? It was still counted as "Iron Man: Director of S.H.I.E.L.D." on the fine print inside the books... That has to be it.

That is correct, they didn't count the final War Machine: Weapon of S.H.I.E.L.D. issues the same way that Marvel didn't count the Incredible Hercules when they renumbered the Incredible Hulk or how they didn't count the final Journey into Mystery issues when they renumbered Thor.
 
Holy cow! I finally got around to reading some new comics, see this thread is two pages long...and, there is nary a review!!!

Oh, and I do think there is some decent Bendis stuff out there, too. Ultimate Spider-Man has been consistently good for the past couple years, and Scarlet has been fantastic! (Not to mention, even though parts of the final issue stunk, Siege was the best of all of Marvel's mini-events last year.)

Onto some quickie reviews!

Superior #4

I enjoyed Millar's Nemesis much better than this title; but, I give mad props to not being charged $3.99 for his comics. While we're still waiting for issue #2 of Kick-Ass 2 to come out (you'd think the they could have done a few issues before releasing the first...and, I dread thinking how LONG it will take to complete the second story arc), Millar's other two books haven't been that long of a wait. What this book suffers from is that it's not original in the least; but, for those who haven't read enough What If-style Superman stories, you'll probably be happy with what's in here. (But, really, did I need another scene with a female reporter putting herself in danger to try and meet the elusive new hero?)

Yeah, I'm complaining about the book...but, I don't feel all that upset. Again, I mean, I'm just so friggin' happy I'm not being overcharged!!! I think every other Icon comic adds that extra buck. And, I still was interested enough, and we got a decent ending with a tease about who Superior's enemy will eventually be. :yay:

Wolverine And Jubilee #1

Thank GOD! Finally, a new Wolverine series that grabs me with the first issue. Picking up where Jubilee left off in Curse Of The Mutants, we see her having to be infused with Logan's blood about every 24 hours to ward off the major effects of being a vampire. Problem is that she's peeved to the upmost degree! (And, the girl has some attitude throughout the book.) Good appearance by Rockslide; but, GOSH, I'd love if some writer would just kill off Pixie.

If you didn't get to spend much on comics this month and are looking for something new to give a look-see, you probably won't be disappointed. PLUS, it's only $2.99!!! :yay::yay:

Morning Glories #6

I guess a new storyline is beginning; but, boy, am I sometimes just confused about what Nick Spencer is doing with this book. I'm still not sure what's up with this boarding school; and, now one of the students we've met in the previous issues is working for the (enemy?). I'm still onboard...and, this book gets tons of praise...but, I still feel like it's devoid of any real emotion for it's cast. Maybe I need to reread these issue again. Either way, his new comic from last week, Infinite Vacation, is the one everyone should be hunting down. :dry::yay:

The Boys #50

The Boys hits the Big 5-0! But, with very little fanfare. This issue continues the flashback tale of how Butcher became the man we know today; and, while it's not as good as previous issues (Hughie and his girlfriend really are the heart and soul of this book), it finally provides a little insight on this character's past. It's all gearing up for the final two years of this title. We also get a couple of interviews tossed in, the most interesting being from when DC dropped the book and Ennis and crew went to Dynamite; and, a very short preview of Ennis' upcoming new title, Jennifer Blood. (I'll pick up the first issue, but not from this preview. Really, four pages does not give a reader much to go on.) :yay:

Feeding Ground #1 (of 6)

We get a super-thick issue for only #3.95...but, don't let that fool you. It's just a 28-page story told twice, once in English and once in Spanish. I'm interested by what I've read; but, I have no idea where this book is going. All I can say is it's about a town in Mexico, called Barbecho, where hard times have made it practically a ghost town. We cut between two scenes, one showing a family having to deal with the town's oppressor, Don Oso, and a group that are trying to cross the border to a better life.

Is this a good story? I couldn't tell you, as sometimes we just don't get enough to go on with a first issue. (Kind of like Parker's Underground, that started out rather slow, but got more suspenseful and intense with each new issue.) I'm hoping the same is true with this. A mild :yay:.

Savage Sword #1

Not sure if my shop got this in late, or if it was delayed; but, this $7.99 80-page anthology was interesting enough. We get some original material, like the first part of a story by Paul Tobin that sees Conan fighting some strange demons who are chasing a female thief. (It's only 8 pages long, so reader only get their feet wet with that.) Next, it's a complete 8-pager, starring John Silent from the world of Solomon Kane, by Scott Allie. (It's alright...but, hard to get into 8-page stories.) Readers are treated to a couple more stories, one in prose-fashion; but, the real gem is a classic from Roy Thomas, featuring a character I've never met before: Bran Mak Morn. It's 38-pages in length, and reminds me of some of the stories I've read in Marvel's old Savage Sword Of Conan. (These stories are in color, though.) :yay:

Iron Man #500

Yeah, this issue might be over-priced to some; but, I found it worth the money for a complete 56-page story...and, one that's much better than a lot of Fraction's recent work. (Last time I enjoyed an issue this much was Invincible Iron Man Annual #1.) This is a tale that flashbacks from current time, where Tony Stark is asking Peter Parker about a design he was working on ... but can't remember ... due to the wiping of his memory the year previous, to the year 2052, where Tony Stark is the slave of The Mandarin, and his two children, Ginny and Howard Stark, are freedom fighters trying to end The Mandarin's reign. We don't find out until the end what the two stories have to do with the other..and, we get a nice Iron Man/Spider-Man team-up thrown in; but, how nice not to have another nine-issue story from Fraction.

Yep, if you wish to get some Iron Man action without the usual Fraction B.S., this is a book worthy of spending your hard earned cash on! (Oh, and you get a 6-page prologue to Iron Man 2.0 thrown in, too.)

So far, this is my Pick Of The Week...maybe because my expectations were so damn low. :woot:
 
While not everyone liked the last NEW WARRIORS series, I thought one of the best parts of it was Jubilee becoming Wondra, a costumed heroine who used technology for power and who had used her X-experience to lead a team. Unfortunately, that all went out the window to have the late 80's mallrat and 90's fashion victim chase another trend, TWILIGHT. If werewolves become hot **** in the next decade, I expect her to shack with Jack Russell any day now.

You make INVINCIBLE IRON MAN #500 sound good, but...I just finally freed myself from that series. And while Fraction is fine for an oversized one shot, afterward he'll go right back to taking 5 issues to do what Dan Slott could do in two. And usually it's best to make a clean break with a book that hasn't thrilled me in a while (and "a full calendar year" counts as a while to me).

I guess maybe bad wording on my part; I should have said and/or in between those two things, they don't necessarily go hand and hand. Usually, it's probably one or the other (like the Morrison example with Seaguy was probably pure number 2 since he doesn't have to worry about scraping enough for the bills, I imagine). I'd say a majority of it is number 1, because that's where the real money is. Most indie stuff really just doesn't sell well enough initially to keep a writer going and need more solid funding from big projects. Some of them, admittedly, could probably live off their creator-owned project, like Millar and Bendis, so they probably do it still because they either A) really do enjoy it or B) want more of that nom nom money regardless.

Well, a writer who does stuff for the money is called something. It starts with an H and ends with an "ack". And that's a lethal insult in some circles. I mean clearly there is some creative desire and process.

I just think that for the higher up, big stuff, that means that your stories have to run through those big Creator Summits in which all the editors and whatever sit at a roundtable and plan the stuff. And maybe all of that doesn't exactly produce the best quality story. Which is why a side mini for SHADOWLAND can be better than SHADOWLAND itself. Because bigger stuff gets a checklist of stuff is has to cover, like a narrative shopping list, while a story elsewhere is under less scrutiny.

I mean so long as stuff sells, Marvel won't care. But the problem is, their stuff hasn't been selling as well anymore. 2010 was not a great year for pure comic sales. And with DC looking to win the price war for at least the first half of 2011, it may not get much better. SHADOWLAND did well for a DAREDEVIL story, selling around 50k or so at peaks (or where DD himself sold in 2008-2009), but that's bad for a line wide event. And SIEGE was making headlines for scoring lower sales than FINAL CRISIS (although, to be fair, SIEGE's sales stayed consistent; after the second issue drop of some 10-20%, it stayed steady over 100k an issue). I will be surprised if FEAR ITSELF sells better than SIEGE did for long.

I think Marvel have to realize that they can cancel a bunch of books and make some spare mini's cheaper and even cut some rare ongoing titles, like INCREDIBLE HULKS, back to $2.99. But until more of their Top 35 sellers are $2.99, it will limit how many copies of comics retailers buy, and their line will still suffer.

But, now I am hopping all over. I just think "something" happens to a lot of writers at Marvel in terms of quality once they hit the top of the pyramid, and while it's easy to nitpick the skills of Bendis or Fraction, I do think part of the issue may be editorial somehow. That's the common denominator, after all. But of course it also depends on the writer. Dan Slott has all eyes on him for BIG TIME, and yeah it's not the same as NEW AVENGERS and a line wide crossover mini, but it's still a lot of power on ASM and he's delivering.
 
I think you overestimate the whole price war thing, Dread. I doubt many people decide what comics they buy based on price like that. In other words, I doubt many people would say, "I'd really like to buy Avengers, but JLA is $1 cheaper, so I'll buy that."

Long term, it may benefit DC, but I doubt it. Never underestimate people's innate stupidity in thinking that something is inherently better if it's more expensive (think Basketball Shoes)

In the end, the company that makes the best comics, and gets buzz for them wins. Price affects it somewhat (and at some point, the disparity does start to affect it), but I doubt as much as you may think.
 
That is correct, they didn't count the final War Machine: Weapon of S.H.I.E.L.D. issues the same way that Marvel didn't count the Incredible Hercules when they renumbered the Incredible Hulk or how they didn't count the final Journey into Mystery issues when they renumbered Thor.
Which was stupid, especially now that they're re-renaming Thor back to Journey into Mystery but keeping the numbering that excludes those '90s Journey into Mystery issues. Like kguillou said, it's best to just not think about it. :doh:
 
Man, finally got my books and read them. Mediocre week, though not a horrible one. My wife forgot to get Avengers Academy but I'm nto fretting it. It's not exactly a title I look forward to every month so I'll just get it sometime before the next issue comes out. I also picked up two issues from last week or the week before (don't remember) Deadpool and Batman & Robin. Both were okay. I'm glad Cornell's work on B&R is only one arc though or I'd be worried. Eagerly anticipating Tomasi and Gleason's run.

Wolverine & Jubilee #1 - I certainly enjoyed this issue but I miss the development we had in New Warriors, where Jubilee became Wondra. Now granted, it isn't necessarilly gone, just ignored. She's not being shown as some teenybopper immature brat or anything, so that's good, but I wish she'd have kept her tech, or at least bring it up somehow. Now ignoring that, this new vampire direction could be interesting for her. Without it, and without Wondra, she's kinda been nothing since Generation X ended so at least something prominant is happening with her. My only real gripe with the issue, and it's barely even that, is that I think this was the first issue since Generation X 75 when Jubilee and Emma Frost interact and there was nothing spoken about how Emma used to be Jubilee's teacher back in the day. There was prime time for it and it could easily have fit in with the conversation but little continuity nods after long periods of nothingness can be refreshing at times.

Anyhow, it was a good issue and I'm curious where the story goes. I'm not a huge Wolverine fan but seeing him bounce off of an older Jubilee is a little nostalgic and like old times. I like that.

X-Men Legacy 244 - This serves as an unofficial followup to the Emplate arc a while ago and as the lead-in to Age of X. The focus of the story is shared by Rogue (of course) and Blindfold - who sees images of something horrible coming. The characters and readers are led to believe that thing is some creature left behind by Emplate's attack but we come to realize that isn't it at all, but rather whatever mystery that brings the Age of X... which occurs mysteriously in the end.

It was good but not fantastic.

X-Factor 214 - I semi-dropped this title but last week I bought the 3 issues I was behind on and this week I bought this one... and man it's all crap. I didn't like a single issue, though a couple scenes here and there were decent, and the only thing that keeps me is my love for the characters themselves. Personally, I think Peter David's lost his touch on this book.

As for this issue itself it's focused on Darwin as he's in some type of mental hell or something that is like a western movie. It's not very good and kind of confusing. The only interesting part has something to do with Rahne's son becoming the Beast of the Apocalypse (biblically believed to be the Anti-Christ) but save that, the rest of the issue was just kinda bleh. Darwin's adaptive abilities had some good moments though.

I love every one of these characters so it pains me to get so little enjoyment out of this series. I'm hoping that it's just hit a dull spot and that it'll pick up soon.

Amazing Spider-Man 652 - Minus the MJ moments the rest of the issue is good. I think the Scorpion looks stupid in his new suit but whatever. The plot itself was very good and I'm eager for the next issue. Can't wait for the New Avengers! Oh, and I've loved every comic I've seen drawn by Caselli and this was no exception! As for the MJ stuff, I just wish they'd kill her off or get rid of her. If you aren't going to write the MJ that's been on the page for the past 20 years then don't write her at all... that's my opinion. I'm not afraid of change but this new status quo for her isn't appealing at all and goes against the character that's been established for years.

And the backup rocked! I really enjoyed the Shadowland Power Man mini (it's the only Shadowland mini I picked up) and this story was a great follow up to that. It reminds me of how you'd have random Shroud or Prowler backups in the 90's comics and I always liked that - bringing in character not necessarilly Spidey characters but linking them to him in minor ways to make his universe feel bigger. Power Man could easily be one of those characters. And despite the fact that I don't give a crap about the Looter, I'm intersted where the story goes. I hope Power Man shows up further in the story but I doubt it.

Green Lantern Corps 56 - I really enjoyed this issue. This title's suffered some since Blackest Night and Emerald Warriors hasn't been very good at all, but this issue really sparked for me. I always like it when the Green Lantern Corps and the Sinestro Corps butt heads and them doing it here while trying to not break their truce was an interesting read. Sinestro is finally going up against the Weaponer and both Green and Yellow Corps have to look on debating on how to react. They're interupted by John Steward and the now armed Thunderers. Also, it looks like Arkillo's tong is growing back, which is good. Next issue is the conclusion and I'm eager to read it.

Ultimately, I'm eager for all the Green Lantern titles to just reach the War of the Green Lanterns. It's been building to that and the build up's not been impressive, but hopefully the story itself will be better and I hope better things are on the horizon beyond that.

Brightest Day 18 - This was a pretty good issue and it's starting to feel like this book is going somewhere decent. A good part of the story focuses on the conclusion of the Hawks story, which ties into the Pink Saphires and Carol Ferris. Their quest, given by the White Entity, is concluded as they return home. Their curse if finished and as Deadman shows up being controlled by the White Ring, they refuse to separate as demanded and are evaporated to bits (which I'm assuming isn't as obviously a death as the page makes you think).

This feels like it's picking up but I get the nagging feeling it won't be worth all the time and money I've put toward it in the end, but we'll see.


Best and Worst of the week

Best: Wolverine & Jubilee - Not that it was amazing or anything but it was definately my best comic of the week. The personal connection between Logan and Jubilation is handled well and Utopia's reaction to her being a vampire was good. The art was nice and the forthcoming plot seems interesting. For $3 this should be a very intersting mini.

Worst: X-Factor 214 - No surprise here. A couple good lines doesn't save a comic and this was boring. I like Darwin but this issue didn't do it for me.
 
I think you overestimate the whole price war thing, Dread. I doubt many people decide what comics they buy based on price like that. In other words, I doubt many people would say, "I'd really like to buy Avengers, but JLA is $1 cheaper, so I'll buy that."

Long term, it may benefit DC, but I doubt it. Never underestimate people's innate stupidity in thinking that something is inherently better if it's more expensive (think Basketball Shoes)

In the end, the company that makes the best comics, and gets buzz for them wins. Price affects it somewhat (and at some point, the disparity does start to affect it), but I doubt as much as you may think.

Even Marvel's top selling ongoing titles have had horrific sales drops since they all were $3.99. NEW AVENGERS can't even sell at 89k anymore. And what a glut of Top 25-35 $3.99 comics do is that in order to stock up on them, retailers have to cut ordering smaller books, and so do readers.

Marvel publishes too many "useless" $3.99 and $4.99 books. They need to trim the line and make most of their books as cheap as possible, and make them good. The era of "throwing everything against a wall and seeing what sticks" has to end. That's not a strategy; that's what chimps do when they're bored. Limit the mini's, and when something IS launched, focus on it. Don't spit out 15 new books in a month and promote none of them. Every launch needs to be treated like it was special.

And everything has to be done to make a new launch appealing. You make the price so low that it hits impulse buy territory - $1.99 or $2.50 perhaps. And then you do something that may be difficult....make a story that isn't a festering pile of donkey feces. Instead, Marvel sees debut issues as a chance to milk the suckers because that's the only issue anyone buys (or overorders). So began the era of Marvel needing to sell an editor's soul to the devil to get any new launch to last 12 issues, and then having to sacrifice a virgin to get it to last 18 issues, and then having to sacrifice a town of virgins to get it to last, dare I say, to issue 25 without a relaunch, renumber, or whatever.

Marvel knows how to do this. They rolled this way from about 2000 to 2003-2004 or so. That was the bedrock that the better years of 2005-2007 did for sales.

If even 10% of comic book readers are repelled by prices, well...that's a huge chunk of the market. The total reading audience, according to official and extensive research, is 300,000 people. That's fallen at least 10% over the past 5 years. Nobody can afford to even risk it calling another 10% by 2016.
 
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