Bought/Thought for June 9th, 2010 *SPOILERS*

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Avengers Academy started off with a great first issue. Gage has a knack for setting up good casts with compelling baggage. We saw it numerous times in Avengers: The Initiative--Taskmaster's inner turmoil between the safety of his usual MO and his ambition to become one of the big players; Tigra, Gauntlet, and the New Warriors uniting to recover their dignity and take the corrupt Initiative down; the surprisingly great star-crossed love story between Diamondback and Constrictor--and it's in full effect in this issue. The teaching staff comprises Hank Pym, Quicksilver, Tigra, Justice, and a very damaged Speedball, which is an eclectic group that's sure to have a lot of explosive clashes in its future. The students are a great blend of familiar high school archetypes with a lot of potential for far greater depth thanks to what looks to be the unifying theme of the series at this point: black sheep. The teaching staff are very much the black sheep of the Avengers and New Warriors because of their pasts (some more checkered than others) and the kids are black sheep because, as we find out toward the end of the issue, they're the six kids who were most tortured by Osborn and are thus the most at risk for turning to villainy. That's a bit of an oversimplification and obviously Hank has noble intentions for wanting to keep an eye on them, but the kids feel understandably betrayed when they learn of it. That sets up a pretty solid dramatic conflict for the first arc, which I'm looking forward to.

As far as individual characters, I'm liking most of the arcs Gage has set up in this issue. Hank, as in Mighty Avengers, makes no excuses for his mental instability; instead, it drives his desire to set the kids straight and make sure they never have to deal with the kinds of things he and the other staff have over their careers. Speedball has come back to his familiar name and costume, but his personality is still in Penance mode. Gone are his old wisecracks, replaced by a much harder edge and a lot of residual anger. A certain encounter after a training session seems to imply that Justice stuck around the Initiative-turned-Academy, in part at least, to keep an eye on Speedball and make sure he doesn't go off the deep end again, which feels absolutely perfect for the character, having been both friend and leader to Robbie on the Warriors. Quicksilver mentions he's with the Avengers to distance himself from Magneto to the public eye, now that Magneto is active once again with the increasingly militant X-Men, so presumably he's just sort of been stuck on the Academy's staff because that's where others felt he could do the most good. That works well for me because it gives Pietro a sensible reason for being a teacher while allowing him to remain as charmingly angsty about his situation as ever. Tigra has the least to do in this issue, but we learn that her extensive experience with all forms of law enforcement, both normal and superheroic, is her main reason for being a teacher. Makes sense. I expect we'll learn more about what Tigra's getting out of her presence on the staff later.

Among the students, I most liked Mettle and Veil. Veil is our POV character, so obviously she's developed the most. She's an outsider who's used to being humiliated, so she's got that everyman relatability factor that Marvel popularized and Gage writes her as enough of an individual that it doesn't seem trite. Mettle automatically won me over because he was surprisingly insightful while the other students were cracking jokes. He's a giant dude made of metal but he's very cool-headed and not at all whiny about his situation, as the typical teen hero probably would be. Hazmat, on the other hand, is definitely whiny, although she covers it up with vitriol. She's the standard angry b**** archetype. Finesse, on the other hand, is the standard stuck-up b**** archetype, since she learns everything at super-speed. Reptil is Reptil, and I guess he's there to provide a sense of familiarity to the Initiative audience. Striker surprised me; on one hand, he's your standard jock type--talented with his powers to the point of arrogance and wants the spotlight way too much for his own good--but he was also the prime mover among the kids--he pushed the plot along most by spurring the other kids to action. I wonder if he might end up with the leadership position Reptil wants so badly, leading to some good friction down the road...

McKone's art is the same as ever. If you like him, you'll like this; if not, you won't. I'm somewhere in the middle. He's technically proficient and even a good storyteller, but something about his style has never really sat well with me. His characters have kind of a soulless, vacant look to their facial expressions, I find, and his poses are always just a hair awkward. Still, the art is well done overall and my minor nitpicks certainly didn't create enough of a distraction to interfere with my enjoyment of the story.
 
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Hey, so remember when this arc of Captain America was solicited and Nubzles and I were like, "Oh, great, they're totally gonna undo everything cool that's turned Zemo into a compelling anti-hero over the last ten years," and people--mainly Dread--were like, "Come, come now, chappies, this is Brubaker we're talking about; surely he'll do it well and it'll all make sense."

So much for that idea. :o

Baron Zemo shows up to whine at the Ghost on the first page, the Ghost tells him who the new Cap is, and you can practically see the switch in Zemo's head flick from "kinda/sorta good" to "nefariously, cartoonishly evil." Like, if Zemo had a mustache instead of a horribly scarred face concealed by a questionably colored mask, he would've been twirling it so hard it'd light itself on fire. Zemo spends the rest of the issue recruiting super-evil henchmen and catching the Falcon in an booby trap explosion. He makes sure it's non-lethal for some reason, but he still blows the f***er up like nobody's business. Oh, and the Fixer--who's STILL reformed in Thunderbolts as of like TWO F***ING WEEKS ago--must've gotten a dose of whatever patent-pending Good-B-Gone spray Zemo got doused with behind the scenes, 'cause he randomly decides to tag along on Zemo's murderous ride.

I mean, this is a Bendis/Millar-level character assassination. Remember how a lot of us were wondering why Wonder Man was suddenly such a dick in Avengers after the Avengers--both literally and figuratively--saved his life on more than one occasion? Take that, multiply it by ten, and that'll get you somewhere in the ballpark of how heinously Brubaker just s***s all over the past decade of Zemo's character development. I expect so much better of Brubaker because he's proven over his entire career that he's capable of much better than this dreck. Easily the worst issue by far of Captain America since he took the reins. It's just a shame that Guice's first issue as full-time penciler was wasted on it.

Anyway, the Nomad backup is better but still kind of mediocre. I don't know when this is supposed to take place, but I hope it's not during the Heroic Age. If it is, the idea of Rikki being homeless and destitute is just utterly ridiculous when she could hop over to wherever Steve is hanging out these days and have him basically hand her a fully furnished house/base of operations. Rikki mentions something about wanting to make her own way in this world, but that just shifts the silliness from the situation itself to her addle-brained pride. Still, the story itself isn't too bad. Kind of telegraphed the hell out of the creepy fat dude who invites Rikki to come home with him turning out to be a serial killer, but I'm still looking forward to the next part so I guess it got the job done.
 
What has Millar written off-character?
 
What has Millar written off-character?
Just about everyone in Civil War. But your rose-tinted goggles for Millar are gonna prevent you from seeing anything he's done as s***ty, so this is a pointless exercise and we both know it. :oldrazz:
 
I've read Civil War, but was the Clor that much a big deal? Yeah it glitched and killed a guy, but besides that it was the usual gizmo Reed, no?
 
Don't change the subject!
 
I've read Civil War, but was the Clor that much a big deal? Yeah it glitched and killed a guy, but besides that it was the usual gizmo Reed, no?
Asides from making Captain America an idiot, Iron Man a bigger dick, having Spider-Man side with Iron Man and reveal his secret identity, and Reed being a bigger dick it's all good.

Seriously, Millar would be a lot better writer if he just didn't make everyone such an unlikable *****e in his stories.
 
Reed lined up and did whatever the Government told him to do. But a year earlier when Waid was writing the FF, Reed and the FF invaded Latveria after banishing Doom to Hell. He proceeded to hang his FF Flag on the spires of Castle Doom and told Fury and the U.N. that he would be running the country.

The arc was called Authoritative Action and Reed showed very little regard for government trying to stop them from doing what was "right".


Then after being in trouble with the Government he then in turn lays down and takes it up the butt.


:ff: :ff: :ff:
 
I'm still stuck on the fact that building a murderous cyborg based on one of their best friends--who, by the way, happened to be presumed dead at the time--doesn't register as "a big deal" to Drazzy McDrazzerton over here. I mean, how much worse does it have to get? :huh:
 
Okay i'll forfeit from this discussion. I guess it's not hard to believe if i tell Dark Reign got me into Mainstream Marvel. :p So i'm still on the learning process!
 
Reed lined up and did whatever the Government told him to do. But a year earlier when Waid was writing the FF, Reed and the FF invaded Latveria after banishing Doom to Hell. He proceeded to hang his FF Flag on the spires of Castle Doom and told Fury and the U.N. that he would be running the country.

The arc was called Authoritative Action and Reed showed very little regard for government trying to stop them from doing what was "right".


Then after being in trouble with the Government he then in turn lays down and takes it up the butt.


:ff: :ff: :ff:

Honestly I can understand why Reed bent over for the government.

First of all, it makes sense for the Fantastic Four to support registration. Hell, even Sue supported registration. She just opposed the methods of enforcement.

Second, in the case of Reed you have to take into account the two times that Reed has broken the law: the first being when he stole the rocket ship that he was building which resulted in their getting superpowers (and turning Ben into a "monster") in which he feels guilty over; and second the invasion of Latveria that you mention. The Fantastic Four were punished severely for their takeover of Latveria. Reed had to sign away all of his patents, public perception was against the Fantastic Four for the events in Latveria (which would have soured again if they went against registration because the public was for registration), Ben was killed, and his family almost broke apart.

With that rationality, one would think after the two major times you went against the government you faced disasterous consequences, that you would go with them the next time.

The problem with Reed in Civil War was that they made him far too cold and callous and building a ****ing robot clone of Thor!

Or how they didn't use Reed's past actions of law breaking resulting in disasterous consequences for his family as the reason why he was pro-reg and instead had him promote McCarthyism and absurd mathematics :awesome:.
 
Going back to Brubaker for a second, as much as I adore the guy's body of work, this isn't the first time Brubaker has committed character rape. Anyone who read X-men Deadly Genesis knows this. Brubaker single-handedly ruined professor Xavier and the effects of that are still felt in the X-books. I never really forgave him for that but because of his stellar work on Cap and DD, I've overlooked it. But as good as Bru is, every now and then he throws a "What the...?!!" at us.
 
I hold Deadly Genesis near and dear to my heart as a constant reminder that even good writers still have to take a **** every once in a while.
First of all, it makes sense for the Fantastic Four to support registration. Hell, even Sue supported registration. She just opposed the methods of enforcement.
I don't think it made a lick of sense for Sue to support registration either. She knows firsthand and intimately the price you and your family pays for public scrutiny. She's constantly complaining about it in every other story, and for good reason because her children are constantly in danger in every other story. For her to tell Pete "It's not so bad" with a straight face -- and this isn't even considering that she's rich and has the resources that Peter Parker can only dream of -- was just ridiculous.
 
Honestly I can understand why Reed bent over for the government.

First of all, it makes sense for the Fantastic Four to support registration. Hell, even Sue supported registration. She just opposed the methods of enforcement.

Second, in the case of Reed you have to take into account the two times that Reed has broken the law: the first being when he stole the rocket ship that he was building which resulted in their getting superpowers (and turning Ben into a "monster") in which he feels guilty over; and second the invasion of Latveria that you mention. The Fantastic Four were punished severely for their takeover of Latveria. Reed had to sign away all of his patents, public perception was against the Fantastic Four for the events in Latveria (which would have soured again if they went against registration because the public was for registration), Ben was killed, and his family almost broke apart.

With that rationality, one would think after the two major times you went against the government you faced disasterous consequences, that you would go with them the next time.

The problem with Reed in Civil War was that they made him far too cold and callous and building a ****ing robot clone of Thor!

Or how they didn't use Reed's past actions of law breaking resulting in disasterous consequences for his family as the reason why he was pro-reg and instead had him promote McCarthyism and absurd mathematics :awesome:.

At best this would be a good explanation for Reed not actively / publicly opposing registration, while still privately believing that it was stupid.
 
Are we seriously debating Civil War in 2010?
 
Hey, so remember when this arc of Captain America was solicited and Nubzles and I were like, "Oh, great, they're totally gonna undo everything cool that's turned Zemo into a compelling anti-hero over the last ten years," and people--mainly Dread--were like, "Come, come now, chappies, this is Brubaker we're talking about; surely he'll do it well and it'll all make sense."

So much for that idea. :o

Baron Zemo shows up to whine at the Ghost on the first page, the Ghost tells him who the new Cap is, and you can practically see the switch in Zemo's head flick from "kinda/sorta good" to "nefariously, cartoonishly evil." Like, if Zemo had a mustache instead of a horribly scarred face concealed by a questionably colored mask, he would've been twirling it so hard it'd light itself on fire. Zemo spends the rest of the issue recruiting super-evil henchmen and catching the Falcon in an booby trap explosion. He makes sure it's non-lethal for some reason, but he still blows the f***er up like nobody's business. Oh, and the Fixer--who's STILL reformed in Thunderbolts as of like TWO F***ING WEEKS ago--must've gotten a dose of whatever patent-pending Good-B-Gone spray Zemo got doused with behind the scenes, 'cause he randomly decides to tag along on Zemo's murderous ride.

I mean, this is a Bendis/Millar-level character assassination. Remember how a lot of us were wondering why Wonder Man was suddenly such a dick in Avengers after the Avengers--both literally and figuratively--saved his life on more than one occasion? Take that, multiply it by ten, and that'll get you somewhere in the ballpark of how heinously Brubaker just s***s all over the past decade of Zemo's character development. I expect so much better of Brubaker because he's proven over his entire career that he's capable of much better than this dreck. Easily the worst issue by far of Captain America since he took the reins. It's just a shame that Guice's first issue as full-time penciler was wasted on it.

Anyway, the Nomad backup is better but still kind of mediocre. I don't know when this is supposed to take place, but I hope it's not during the Heroic Age. If it is, the idea of Rikki being homeless and destitute is just utterly ridiculous when she could hop over to wherever Steve is hanging out these days and have him basically hand her a fully furnished house/base of operations. Rikki mentions something about wanting to make her own way in this world, but that just shifts the silliness from the situation itself to her addle-brained pride. Still, the story itself isn't too bad. Kind of telegraphed the hell out of the creepy fat dude who invites Rikki to come home with him turning out to be a serial killer, but I'm still looking forward to the next part so I guess it got the job done.

I haven't read the issue but I'm gonna go ahead and say you're overreacting. Nobody has done **** with Zemo in years, who gives a ****. He'll get his ass kicked by Bucky-Cap and then we can move on to people that actually matter.
 
I haven't read the issue but I'm gonna go ahead and say you're overreacting. Nobody has done **** with Zemo in years, who gives a ****. He'll get his ass kicked by Bucky-Cap and then we can move on to people that actually matter.

Agreed. I have no attachment to Zemo. The Zemo I know was an evil mofo. Zemo just learns his place in this issue. There is no place left to be a Osbourn, Fury, Stark-type "hero". Cap is not going to let Zemo do some of the questionable things he did in Thunderbolts. As for him snapping and wanting to go after Bucky, I can understand that. This is clearly a daddy issue with him, and that can be a tough thing to answer with logical responses. He doesnt choose to kill Sam or Buck becasue he is being a comic book villain (this is the Heroic Age, a return to the classic dicotomy). It's obvious there is a piece of history missing which will be revieled later in the arc. I say just go with it. I founds the issue to be fun and I am excited that Buck is getting his own rogues gallery. Is this a mis-characterization? Yes. Are most comic fans going to care? No. Thunderbolts is still a relativley short-ordered Marvel book, and most of us would prefer an twisted evil villain to another anti-hero.
 
Are we seriously debating Civil War in 2010?
Well like I said elsewhere...I, for one, long for the days when the most aggravated I got about comics was over how ****ing stupid Sally Floyd was going to be that week.
 
Well like I said elsewhere...I, for one, long for the days when the most aggravated I got about comics was over how ****ing stupid Sally Floyd was going to be that week.

I have a pic for this.

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I haven't read the issue but I'm gonna go ahead and say you're overreacting. Nobody has done **** with Zemo in years, who gives a ****. He'll get his ass kicked by Bucky-Cap and then we can move on to people that actually matter.
Obviously, I give a f***. I don't care that nobody's done anything with him in years. That's a failure on Marvel's part for not recognizing what a great character they had. I don't care that other people don't care about Zemo, either. My second-favorite character at Marvel is the Black f***ing Knight. :o
 
Obviously, I give a f***. I don't care that nobody's done anything with him in years. That's a failure on Marvel's part for not recognizing what a great character they had. I don't care that other people don't care about Zemo, either. My second-favorite character at Marvel is the Black f***ing Knight. :o

That's a you problem, not a Marvel problem. Become a Spider-Man fan, he's a lot more stable....
 
I never said it wasn't a me problem. Everyone takes different things away from the comics. If others can enjoy Captain America around the fact that Brubaker casually destroyed 10 years of Zemo's (and the Fixer's) characterization, more power to 'em. I can't. I'm probably gonna ditch Cap for the remainder of this arc, actually.
 
I never said it wasn't a me problem. Everyone takes different things away from the comics. If others can enjoy Captain America around the fact that Brubaker casually destroyed 10 years of Zemo's (and the Fixer's) characterization, more power to 'em. I can't. I'm probably gonna ditch Cap for the remainder of this arc, actually.

OVERREACTION ALERT! OVERREACTION ALERT!

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Finish the arc like a ****ing man, maybe Brubaker will have a reason to this "madness". Maybe Zemo is on his period.
 

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