Bought/Thought February 11, 2009 - SPOILERS

[TheCorpulent1]

Right or wrong, amnesty is amnesty.

 

[Dread]

And amnesty for Loki was still dumb, er, "naive" at best after all this time. Thus, no matter what, I can't help but feel Thor kind of deserved what happened. "Fool me 12,000 times, shame on me," as was said.

A is A. Loki is Loki. Villains almost never change. Immortal villains? Less than never.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Brothers are brothers.

 

[Manic]

*scoff*

Adopted brothers. Adopted brothers where one was destined to bring down your entire civilization, and has spent your mutual childhoods and adulthoods pulling pranks on you and hurting others you love.

Thor was an idiot to allow Loki back into his home.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I really wish we had more stories of the good times in Thor and Loki's youth. Loki wasn't always a huge a**hole, but it's tough to actually back that up when all you have are like 3 stories in the entirety of the comics' history.

 

[Dread]

I still have to say that despite most dismissing Hercules as a simple, drunken brawler, he has WAY more clarity about the nature of immortal gods and his own devious kin than Thor seems to.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, in fairness, he's exposed to it a hell of a lot more. Just about all of the Olympians are back-biting *****ebags, whereas Loki's the only really bad apple among the Asgardians (the Enchantress is devious but she tends to rein herself in before she does anything really bad). And although Loki's a jerk, he's only been outright evil for about half his very long lifespan, and even then, Thor's successfully appealed to his nobler side on a few occasions.

 

[Dread]

Skurge the Executioner spent ages doing rotten stuff as Enchantress' smitten love-slave. Of course because Enchantress in the end genuinely wants Thor's love, she has to rein herself in to some degree because Thor would never love a monster.

Even if Loki's even been evil half his life, half of, like, 4,000 years is still a very long time. There comes a time when Thor needs to stop seeing him through rose colored glasses, especially when it concerns New Asgard, after 15 years of stepped up schemes and after Loki JUST LED THE DESTRUCTION OF OLD ASGARD. It was foolish of him to grant Loki amnesty, and it was a shame virtually no one called Thor on it, no, "are you NUTS!?" from any of the other Asgardians. And until Balder actually stands up for himself and does something, anything, that doesn't fit a piece of Loki's sinister puzzle into place, then he is still a puppet for the trickster god, with the strings being his own rigid, inflexible personality. And I can't enjoy that too much. Loki does all the talking, and Balder usually approves it. That isn't leadership. Thor was hardly perfect but at least he wasn't as easily manipulated, which is saying something. Lord knows I would be suspicious if my girlfriend was missing and my mortal enemy with a habit of illusions and shapeshifting suddenly was in a female body. But, whatever.

And I hate to sound like Joe Q for a second, but the problem with "proving what Loki did" is that everything is magical and it has no rules. Unless you somehow detect it with other magic or "Odinsight" or whatever, there is no way to prove it because it is magic. Thus one has to wait until JMS drops something in Thor's lap and that can ware thin.

I honestly, HONESTLY doubt that if Thor bent his "new life on a new world" amnesty in Loki's case that any of his allies or subjects would have thought it unreasonable. But, water under the Destroyer armor at this point.

Characters who refuse, utterly REFUSE to see what any fan can see is obvious or change to their situation become frustrating. Why the hell do you think Spider-Man fans have been screaming for years? In some ways Thor is almost the same. Peter will never grow up, and Thor never sees Loki for the menace he is.

 

[roach]

In some ways Thor is almost the same. Peter will never grow up, and Thor never sees Loki for the menace he is.

And Homeland security thinks Green Goblin is better at keeping America safe than Captain America......im begining to think that the Marvel Universe is the simple minded one

 

[Manic]

And Homeland security thinks Green Goblin is better at keeping America safe than Captain America......im begining to think that the Marvel Universe is the simple minded one

I remember back when Grant Morrison was writing The Authority and only managed to squeeze out 2 issues, he had the characters stranded in an alternate universe that was a "low energy universe" that was incapable of housing superpowered beings without eventually collapsing, and it certainly wasn't capable of allowing their super high tech multiverse-sailing shift ship to power up enough to leave.

Marvel strikes me as a "low common sense universe" where the collective population and governments aren't capable of making sensible decisions or coming to logical conclusions.

 

[roach]

I remember back when Grant Morrison was writing The Authority and only managed to squeeze out 2 issues, he had the characters stranded in an alternate universe that was a "low energy universe" that was incapable of housing superpowered beings without eventually collapsing, and it certainly wasn't capable of allowing their super high tech multiverse-sailing shift ship to power up enough to leave.

Marvel strikes me as a "low common sense universe" where the collective population and governments aren't capable of making sensible decisions or coming to logical conclusions.

my thoughts exactly....I wonder if the Watcher yells at his monitor when he see Marvel earth do something stupid

 

[kguillou]

Your definitely right about the "logical conclusions" part, i mean how many times have we seen this: Oh no guys! doctor octopus is on the loose again! This is horrible isnt it Peter? Peter? Guys have u seen Peter? He was just here a second ago, oh look, its Spiderman! Why does Peter always miss it when spiderman comes?!" lol

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

Well, that's just a genre conceit more than anything.

 

[kguillou]

I know i know, but you cant help but notice how silly it is sometimes. lol

 

[Dread]

And Homeland security thinks Green Goblin is better at keeping America safe than Captain America......im begining to think that the Marvel Universe is the simple minded one

That is why I have come up with a theory that the Celestials, back during their old Hosts of the planet, they gave mankind a genetic disposition to immediately distrust, hate, or become paranoid of any super-powered or costumed champion of noble intent, but to blindly worship and follow to the grave any aforementioned person or being to proves to be corrupt at best and insanely sadistically evil at worst. This explains that the periods where Iron Man has been the most beloved by the media is usually when he is at his *****iest.

The "low common sense universe" is also not a bad one.

 

[BrianWilly]

Okay, I just read Captain Britain and MI-13.

F*** me, it's good.

 

[roach]

the 616 Universe shall hence be known as LCS

 

[Dread]

Okay, I just read Captain Britain and MI-13.

F*** me, it's good.

Quite good.

Naturally, of course, that means it is selling so poorly that most of the buzz around it now is whether Marvel is planning to cancel or relaunch it, and how soon.

 

[BrianWilly]

Gawd. Why do you all suck?? READ THIS BOOK.

 

[Dread]

I reread this week's issue, and I am really enjoying Cornell's Dracula, and I have high hopes for this arc. The characters are getting on a roll in the story and the art is still terrific. At the very least, the book will last until the end of this arc, which will be issue #13-15 or so. Marvel was VERY quick to try to squash the cancellation rumor, and the word is that it has editorial support. So, it could get a RUNAWAYS-style relaunch. U.K. sales are also unknown.

 

[Manic]

I read MI-13. Hell, I blogged about it. I just don't understand why people stop reading comics that are good. I blame Marvel's "only the event books are worth reading" tactic of marketing.

 

[Keyser Soze]

*scoff*

Adopted brothers. Adopted brothers where one was destined to bring down your entire civilization, and has spent your mutual childhoods and adulthoods pulling pranks on you and hurting others you love.

Thor was an idiot to allow Loki back into his home.

In all fairness, adopted or not, family is family. And I'm sure there are many of us who have a chronic f***-up in our family who continually hurts us and lets us down, but we keep on giving them chance after chance, BECAUSE they're family. The same could apply to Loki, albeit on a much grander scale.

 

[Themanofbat]

The ASM issue was good....

 

[yenaled]

Think REBELS was my favourite comic of the week. Might be early days but I actually think it might prove better than Guardians of the Galaxy which is a impressive.

I sense this being the new title I will cry about in two years when it is canned.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

REBELS and Captain Britain and MI-13 were both great. I got caught up arguing Thor with Dread so I forgot to mention that. I loved seeing Dane in full regalia for his meeting with Storm. And now he has two Ebony Blades, one of which may be connected to Dracula himself. Oh, oh, and Blade is developing an actual personality! "I'll want the whole damn percolator," he says. Heh.