Brave and the Bold Casting Thread

[Eddie Dean]

It's true, to you. It's not fact. How about this? Jake Gyllenhaal did one Marvel movie. He's done. He doesn't want to do anymore. It's a fact. He could have signed on for multiple movies, but he made them kill his character. He didn't even come back for Far From Home, which other dead characters did. Actually, he is the least likely candidate.

 

[Invader Joker]

It's true, to you. It's not fact. How about this? Jake Gyllenhaal did one Marvel movie. He's done. He doesn't want to do anymore. It's a fact. He could have signed on for multiple movies, but he made them kill his character. He didn't even come back for Far From Home, which other dead characters did. Actually, he is the least likely candidate.

Except Gyllenhaal said in the past he wants to play Batman.




Also he didn't make them "kill Mysterio off" lol. At least there's no evidence he forced their hand to do so. And we've got no idea if he signed on for multiple movies or not. He's played dumb a lot in the past regarding the question of Mysterio coming back. And he clearly had a good time in Far From Home, so the idea of him returning in Spidey 4,5 or 6 isn't out of the realm of possibility.

The reason he didn't come back for No Way Home is simply because the movie was already too crowded, but Jake was actually open to it.

SPIDER-MAN: NO WAY HOME Writer Reveals Why Mysterio Didn't Return Despite Jake Gyllenhaal Being Open To It (**************.com)

And, what do you mean with "true according to me?" We're discussing the likelihood of these actors being cast or not and you aren't even making any real arguments for any of them. It is an actual fact that Gunn cares about height when it comes to casting. It is a fact that Gosling has not seemed terribly interested in joining a superhero franchise like this (the one time he got asked about Batman he didn't seem interested on it) and it is also a fact that Isaac and Hardy are too tangled up in other superhero franchises. It is also a fact that, based on the foundational castings for his new DCU, he seems to want to stick somewhat to tradition when it comes to the big characters (Which actually tracks with some statements he's made in the past regarding how he sees characters like Wonder Woman, Batman and Superman as "not needing to diverge from the source material too much because they're already too well established")

The only subjective thing I've said is regarding Driver looking horrible in the cowl but I've got no idea how you could even counter-argue that.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Venom does not go past three movies. Moon Knight is tv only. They’re not tangled up.

the Jake G stuff is smoke. He only signed on for one. He doesn’t want to do more. Fact.

 

[Invader Joker]

Venom does not go past three movies. Moon Knight is tv only. They’re not tangled up.

the Jake G stuff is smoke. He only signed on for one. He doesn’t want to do more. Fact.

According to what? lmfao He spent the entire press tour of Far From Home teasing the fact that he might appear again and every time he's been asked about it he said he'd be up for it. There's nothing in his career during the past 5 years that even hints at the fact he'd be "above that" in any way.


"Venom does not go past three movies. Moon Knight is tv only. They’re not tangled up."

There is zero scenario where Sony lets go of that cash cow before they even make him fight Spider-Man and Hardy is in love with the character to an absolutely insane extent. He's not letting that go after a third film. And Moon Knight isn't gonna stay as TV only, he's more than likely gonna show up on an Avengers film eventually especially with how they specifically set up Oscar Isaac's version up so he'd be able to take on bigger threats.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Nope, only three. No more Venom movies. Oscar Isaac will never be in an Avengers movie.

 

[Invader Joker]

Nope, only three. No more Venom movies. Oscar Isaac will never be in an Avengers movie.

Again: According to what?

 

[Eddie Dean]

According to who

 

[DKDetective]

According to whom...

 

[TheWallCrawler]

Casting Batman is just one of those things that totally triggers my ocd, no candidate seems to be good enough :P

All I know is Ryan Gosling absolutely does not fit the part. And as to Jake Gyllenhaal, he's quite far from the comic book look, but I adore all his performances that I've seen, so I wouldn't be upset if he was cast. Lee Pace I could take it or leave it

 

[B]

It's best to not try to think you have any clue what the director is thinking regarding casting behind closed doors, because just when you think they've hit the nail on the head with other casts in other projects & their choices couldn't be more easy to predict.. that's when the curveball will come.

*BOOM* Topher Grace as Eddie Brock

*BOOM* Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor

Obviously just because the casting choice might be unusual or a head scratcher initially doesn't mean they won't be good.

*BOOM* Hugh Jackman as Wolverine

*BOOM* Heath Ledger as The Joker

 

[old city outlaw]

 

[Invader Joker]

It's best to not try to think you have any clue what the director is thinking regarding casting behind closed doors, because just when you think they've hit the nail on the head with other casts in other projects & their choices couldn't be more easy to predict.. that's when the curveball will come.

*BOOM* Topher Grace as Eddie Brock

*BOOM* Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor

Obviously just because the casting choice might be unusual or a head scratcher initially doesn't mean they won't be good.

*BOOM* Hugh Jackman as Wolverine

*BOOM* Heath Ledger as The Joker

The thing with those "curveball" castings is that the reasoning behind them always came with a sense of wanting to reinvent the entire character. It made sense for Raimi and Eddie Brock, since Raimi didn't even like Venom in the first place. And it also made sense for Snyder and Luthor since he wanted all the real-world parallels to Zuckerberg or whatever and since his entire philosophy of BvS and MoS was to make it reaaally contemporary it was actually a natural direction for him to go.

There is no real reason to believe that'd make sense with Gunn and Batman though.

In interviews even as far back as the TSS press tour he referred to him along with Superman and Harley Quinn as characters whose characterization is already so well-written and defined in the comics he only needs to stick to that and remain as faithful to that as possible. The inspiration he already singled out for this movie points to a very particular type of Batman, the comics he likes do so as well, and so on.

As far as Hugh Jackman goes... well, he was a head-scratcher because he was a complete unknown. It's extremely unlikely a complete unknown will get cast as Batman for this because while for young actors (as Hugh was at the time) the prospect of them getting their big break as the lead of a blockbuster is not really that far-fetched, it does become waaay more unlikely for actors in their 30s-40s since if they've been in the industry for that long and haven't been lucky with anything, it's very unlikely they'll suddenly get a role as big as Batman. In fact I can't think of any actor in that age range as the lead of a superhero movie that you could argue was a complete unknown like Jackman before they got cast.

Heath is a whole other topic since in his case you're talking about an objectively brilliant actor and a brilliant pick for Joker that mostly got **** on because of poorly veiled homophobia and hatred of teen romance movies. I can't think of any actor for Batman that'd generate that sort of backlash while also simultaneously being an objectively perfect pick for the part. The one actor of that ilk was Robert Pattinson, but I don't really think there are any equivalents for DCU Batman.

 

[Eddie Dean]

The Suicide Squad cast is anything but conventional lol. Pete Davidson? German Youtube Guy? He changed King Shark's entire character so he could be funny Groot Stallone.

 

[Invader Joker]

The Suicide Squad cast is anything but conventional lol. Pete Davidson? German Youtube Guy? He changed King Shark's entire character so he could be funny Groot Stallone.

He's gone on record as explaining that he views C-lister characters like that as different because since they aren't iconic nor do they have super-established personalities in the comics he can change them from the ground up without having much of a problem. It's actually why he explained liked dealing with those sort of characters since the more iconic ones intimidated him for a bit because he really saw no reason to change them. Superman, Batman, Harley Quinn, Spider-Man, etc he views as different because he sees no reason to change them from their original portrayals. When he wrote Harley in TSS, he explained his entire philosophy for writing her was just to stay as true to the comic portrayal as possible and that he views other iconic characters like that as well.

 

[Eddie Dean]

OK, but what about staying true to a comic book character means that someone like Adam Driver or whoever couldn't be Batman.

 

[Eddie Dean]

It's also worth noting that the only time we've had confirmed casting from Gunn of "A-Listers" is two people, which is a very small sample size.

AND

He's not directing this movie. He will have say in who is Batman, but it will be a colab between him and the director.

 

[Invader Joker]

It's also worth noting that the only time we've had confirmed casting from Gunn of "A-Listers" is two people, which is a very small sample size.

AND

He's not directing this movie. He will have say in who is Batman, but it will be a colab between him and the director.

It's a small sample size because again, he doesn't care or prioritize hiring known names in any way, which is something that we know befause it's something he explicitly stated before even in Rosenbaum's podcast.
And the director might have a say, but it's Batman. It's DC Studios most important property. I don't buy for a second it wouldn't be Gunn making the final decision, especially since he's not being cast only for this movie but for any animations, videogames, tv shows, etc in which Batman might appear. At the end of the day it'd be Gunn using this actor the most.

 

[Invader Joker]

OK, but what about staying true to a comic book character means that someone like Adam Driver or whoever couldn't be Batman.

Driver's biggest problem is that he'd look like **** in the cowl lol

 

[B]

The thing with those "curveball" castings is that the reasoning behind them always came with a sense of wanting to reinvent the entire character. It made sense for Raimi and Eddie Brock, since Raimi didn't even like Venom in the first place. And it also made sense for Snyder and Luthor since he wanted all the real-world parallels to Zuckerberg or whatever and since his entire philosophy of BvS and MoS was to make it reaaally contemporary it was actually a natural direction for him to go.

There is no real reason to believe that'd make sense with Gunn and Batman though.

In interviews even as far back as the TSS press tour he referred to him along with Superman and Harley Quinn as characters whose characterization is already so well-written and defined in the comics he only needs to stick to that and remain as faithful to that as possible. The inspiration he already singled out for this movie points to a very particular type of Batman, the comics he likes do so as well, and so on.

As far as Hugh Jackman goes... well, he was a head-scratcher because he was a complete unknown. It's extremely unlikely a complete unknown will get cast as Batman for this because while for young actors (as Hugh was at the time) the prospect of them getting their big break as the lead of a blockbuster is not really that far-fetched, it does become waaay more unlikely for actors in their 30s-40s since if they've been in the industry for that long and haven't been lucky with anything, it's very unlikely they'll suddenly get a role as big as Batman. In fact I can't think of any actor in that age range as the lead of a superhero movie that you could argue was a complete unknown like Jackman before they got cast.

Heath is a whole other topic since in his case you're talking about an objectively brilliant actor and a brilliant pick for Joker that mostly got **** on because of poorly veiled homophobia and hatred of teen romance movies. I can't think of any actor for Batman that'd generate that sort of backlash while also simultaneously being an objectively perfect pick for the part. The one actor of that ilk was Robert Pattinson, but I don't really think there are any equivalents for DCU Batman.

I understand the possible reasoning behind the casting of various actors & what they may or may not have been trying to go for, however the point I was trying to make was that casting choices can be surprising & at this point I don't think anybody can be categorically ruled out of contention.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Driver's biggest problem is that he'd look like **** in the cowl lol

I think they might be able to design a cowl that would fit his face, just a thought.

 

[B]

It's also worth noting that the only time we've had confirmed casting from Gunn of "A-Listers" is two people, which is a very small sample size.

AND

He's not directing this movie. He will have say in who is Batman, but it will be a colab between him and the director.

This is another issue also, it would be odd for Gunn to be the person in charge of casting Batman, unless he's actually going to feature in Superman: Legacy or one of Gunn's own projects prior to B&B. Even then, you'd still think the actual director of film would have just as important a voice in the casting.

 

[Eddie Dean]

I'm sure Gunn will have a hand in it, but I don't think a director is going to not be involved in casting the lead of their movie.

 

[Invader Joker]

I understand the possible reasoning behind the casting of various actors & what they may or may not have been trying to go for, however the point I was trying to make was that casting choices can be surprising & at this point I don't think anybody can be categorically ruled out of contention.

I am very confident on ruling out all the dudes that are already tangled in other franchises and would cost like 10 million since the first film.

 

[Invader Joker]

I think they might be able to design a cowl that would fit his face, just a thought.

I'd have to see a manip but I genuinely don't think it's possible to make such a cowl lol Regardless, I also think his face would in general look really bad as Bruce Wayne as well especially for a "traditional" take. His voice is great and he's a good actor, he could probably play Bruce really well in a podcast or something, but while looks aren't everything, they also aren't something you can just flat out ignore when it comes to someone with a face as unique as Driver's. That look just doesn't work for the character on any level unless they were doing a full reinvention of Batman, which doesn't seem like something Gunn would do.

I'm sure Gunn will have a hand in it, but I don't think a director is going to not be involved in casting the lead of their movie.

Never said the director is not going to be involved, just that Gunn is gonna have the final say.

 

[Eddie Dean]

idk if you know this, but Adam Driver is considered a very sexy man and can be a dark brooding hero. Doesn't seem not traditional at all.