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Breaking News! Kim Jong-il Is Dead!

I'm wondering if Kim's death (and the murky situation regarding his youngest son as the successor and the old guards that are still there) will make it possible for a future reconcilation and reunion of the two Koreas.
 
1. Location and my citizenship are hardly one and the same in this age.
2. Weather or not I'm American, we only have "one" president(of the united sates). I never said our leader.

3. Yes the gop candidates are kinda looney.
4. I was being satirical, people don't cry like this unless there is some strange circumstance, I'd even say an assassination. This just seems uncalled for, especially given the circumstance.

Like everything in these people's existence is contrived.

I know. I was being satirical too.

Also though you may or may not be Canadian, it's still a reasonable guess that you could be.
 
I'm wondering if Kim's death (and the murky situation regarding his youngest son as the successor and the old guards that are still there) will make it possible for a future reconcilation and reunion of the two Koreas.
I don't think so. China has been keeping North Korea running for decades and have already come out saying they will support their allies North Korea.

The last thing China wants is a reunited pro-western democratic Korea sitting underneath them.
 
I know. I was being satirical too.

Also though you may or may not be Canadian, it's still a reasonable guess that you could be.

No worries.
I am Canadian though.

I don't think so. China has been keeping North Korea running for decades and have already come out saying they will support their allies North Korea.

The last thing China wants is a reunited pro-western democratic Korea sitting underneath them.

China is going to do whatever it takes to become the next superpower. I wonder what that means though.

I like how Japan used to be the little trouble maker and after the "little bombing" they seem nicer.
 
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I'm wondering if Kim's death (and the murky situation regarding his youngest son as the successor and the old guards that are still there) will make it possible for a future reconcilation and reunion of the two Koreas.

I wouldn't think so. South Korea and Japan are on high alert because of this and all the political pundits on the news say this is potentially the most dangerous time because they don't know what will happen next. There's fears that Jong-Un might want to go off on one like his lunatic father or that he might be too weak willed and just a puppet for the military (I'm paraphrasing, of course). You've got to remember that North Korea sunk a South Korean vessel earlier this year (and said to the world "it wasn't us, we swear") and Kim Jong-Il was in ailing health back then (apparently).


No worries.
I am Canadian though.

No problem. It's cool.
 
seems it is:
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Weirdest **** I've seen in a while :dry:

People are actually pounding the ground. Thought
that only happened during OTT scenes in films.
Considering they've been living under a brutal dictatorship since the 1950s , it's not surprising that people are actually mourning this monster's death.It's the only form of government most of these people know. It's like after Superman defeated Darkseid in the last episode of TAS and he expected the people to kill Darkseid , but they did the exact opposite. The ones that hate him have to pretend to mourn or they'll be put in a concentration camp or just executed on the spot.
 
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It was so weird...last night I was just watching this YouTube documentary on North Korea for the hell of it, then I randomly decided to check CNN.com and I saw that Kim Jong-il was dead. Eerie.

Anybody who wants to learn more about life in North Korea should definitely check out a book by B.R. Myers called The Cleanest Race: How North Koreans See Themselves and Why It Matters. Myers is a North Korea scholar who has focused on the propaganda produced for domestic consumption rather than the stuff they produce for foreigners. He does a great job of detailing the North's de facto ideology of xenophobic nationalism.

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One of his basic points is how during the Japanese occupation from 1910 to 1945, Koreans had been indoctrinated with the idea that they were part of a morally superior race centred on Japan. After the Soviets invaded the north, Kim Il-Sung's regime actually became more hospitable to former propagandists for the Japanese than the right-wing dictatorship in the South. Throughout the rest of the century, race-based nationalism became an ingrained part of the North Korean worldview; after the war they simply tossed the Japanese out of the equation and became the superior race themselves.

Kim Il-Sung and Kim Jong-Il are venerated in part because they are presented as the perfect embodiment of the Korean race. But this is different from the official racism of imperial Japan or Nazi Germany, which is predicated on the expansionist notion that the superior race must annex and subjugate other nations. North Korean ideology views the Korean people as inherently pure and virtuous, but also uniquely vulnerable as a result of these qualities. The idea is that the child race is so vulnerable in a cruel world that it needed the "Great Leader" or the "Dear Leader" to protect it.

The regime in Pyongyang is often accused of "brainwashing" its subjects, as if the formers secretly believed something very different, and the latter were passive or even unwilling victims of indoctrination. Perhaps this misconception derives from the mistaken belief that the personality cult - which looks much harder to swallow when regarded in isolation - forms the basis of the official worldview. In fact [...] the personality cult proceeds from myths about the race and its history that cannot but exert a strong appeal on the North Korean masses. In his classic book The Denial of Death (1973), the social anthropologist Ernest Becker concluded that man's fear of death and insignificance makes him look to his country for an "immortality project", a myth that will make him feel "vital to the universe, immortal in some way." The notion of every citizen's sacred mission to reunite the pure race and move it to the center of the world stage does a very good job of filling the North Koreans' need for significance, not least because everyone is given a role to play.
North Korean propaganda actually doesn't even try anymore to hide the fact that South Korea has far more material wealth. But it argues that this superficial wealth masks a world of ethnic contamination, unlike in the North, where the "people are as pure as the water they drink." This dualism of purity vs. filth is widespread in Korean culture. The implication is that the South is a "Yankee colony" groaning under the yoke of American influence, and that the Southerners yearn to be reunited with their Northern brethren.

The conclusion of Myers' book is particularly interesting in regards to the future of North Korea:

The obvious retort to this wishful thinking [that Pyongyang wants better relations with the United States] is to ask how the DPRK could possibly justify its existence after giving up the confrontational anti-Americanism that constitutes its last remaining source of legitimacy. We are dealing with a failure here not just of information analysis but of common sense - a failure to understand that North Korea is one of two states laying claim to the same nation. It must either go on convincing its citizens that it is the better Korea or acknowledge Seoul's right to rule the whole peninsula.

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Much hope in the West centers on the infiltration of heterodox culture into the DPRK, but here too it would be folly to extrapolate from Cold War history. Blue jeans will not bring down this dictatorship. Race-based nationalism does not need to fear cultural subversion as much as Marxism-Leninism did. Hollywood films were all the rage in imperial Japan, and Luftwaffe aces famously flew into battle with Mickey Mouse painted on their fuselages. More to the point, perhaps, South Koreans were as ready in 2008 to believe that America was saving its deadliest beef for their consumption as they were in 2002 to believe that U.S. soldiers had run over two schoolgirls for the fun of it. Anti-Japanese sentiment, for its part, has actually increased in the ROK since a ban on Japanese cultural imports was lifted several years ago. There is little reason, therefore, to believe that smuggled CDs and DVDs will undermine the average North Korean's hostility to the outside world.

The DPRK is more likely to suffer a mass legitimation crisis if it is seen as failing on its own ideological terms. Such a perception could result from a humiliating retreat in regard to nuclear weapons, but the North Korean leadership is less likely than our own to make that kind of error. The chronic nature of the economic malaise poses a greater problem. It is all well and good for the military-first regime to shrug off responsibility for such matters, but if the acquisition of a nuclear deterrent constituted such a glorious victory over the U.S., where, the malnourished citizen may well ask, are the material fruits of that victory?

But most dangerous to the regime, as I have already said, is the inevitable spread of public awareness that for all their anti-Americanism, the South Koreans are happy with their own republic and do not want to live under Pyongyang's rule. There is just no way for the Text to make sense of this highly subversive truth. We should not, however, sit back and gloat over the regime's troubles, because it is bound to counter any sign of internal unrest by ratcheting up tension with America or South Korea.
 
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How have we gone this long without Celebration posted?

 
anyone find it a little creepy that the game homefront that has Kim Jong-un reuniting north and south korea and declaring war on the world only missed the date of Kim Jong-il's death by 2 weeks
 
wow was my post about the homefront coincidence deleted. seriously i was pointing out the irony as a joke
 
No worries.
I am Canadian though.



China is going to do whatever it takes to become the next superpower. I wonder what that means though.

I like how Japan used to be the little trouble maker and after the "little bombing" they seem nicer.

It means that it's their turn to "colonize" Africa.
 
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It's a sad day for golfing fanatics. Kim Jong Il had one of the most unbelievable golf games ever on his first try getting 11 holes in one and scoring a 34 under par.
 
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The mix of numbers and letters at the end of the YouTube hyperlink are what you put between the YT tags. Like so:

 
The scene with him and Hans Blix was so funny even Blix admitted he found it amusing.
 
Considering they've been living under a brutal dictatorship since the 1950s , it's not surprising that people are actually mourning this monster's death.It's the only form of government most of these people know. It's like after Superman defeated Darkseid in the last episode of TAS and he expected the people to kill Darkseid , but they did the exact opposite. The ones that hate him have to pretend to mourn or they'll be put in a concentration camp or just executed on the spot.
The Kim's have the anti-life equation. :wow:
 
UPDATE: North Korean TV has released pictures of Kim Jong Il laying in state.
 
Sacha Baron Cohens character from the new movie The Dictator comments on the deat:


General Aladeen (@RepublicWadiya) said:
OFFICIAL STATEMENT FROM HIS EXCELLENCY ADMIRAL GENERAL ALADEEN - SUPREME LEADER, ALL TRIUMPHANT GENERAL AND CHIEF OPTHAMOLOGIST OF PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF WADIYA

I am saddened to learn of the passing of my dear friend Kim Jong-Il. Our thoughts go out to his wife and 813 children. “K-Jo” was a great leader, good friend and average double’s badminton partner. He died as he lived, in 3-inch lifts. An extraordinary man, he did so much to spread compassion, wisdom and uranium throughout the world.

On behalf of myself, Ahmadinejad, Chavez and Newt Gingrinch, we would like to welcome his son, Kin Jong Un into the "Axis of Evil”

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:funny:
 
A lot of people here seem a bit confused as to the type of indoctrination and fanaticism that happens in North Korea. This video series called "The Vice Guide to North Korea" is incredibly informative on how insane this regime is.

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Pretty entertaining & informative video albeit somewhat depressing.


I really, honestly feel bad for those people. It's bad enough to be in a corrupt, controlling "government" but to be in one and not even realize it is even worse I think.
 
What is it with Communists and keeping their dead leaders on display? It's creepy.
 
Deification of a monster. We like to deify our monsters too, but for different reasons. The weeping video is disturbing. I wonder how many of those people were paid, and how many did so out of fear...
 
I won't be surprised if they dip him in gold.
...sadly, it wouldn't surprise me either.

Deification of a monster. We like to deify our monsters too, but for different reasons. The weeping video is disturbing. I wonder how many of those people were paid, and how many did so out of fear...

I've seen a couple people on various news stations here in the states suggesting that it was probably staged to some degree.
 

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