Breaking News: Osama Bin Laden Is Dead! - Part 3

[Spidey-Bat]

I'm not giving compassion specifically to Bin Laden. Americans just get confused because they only have limited US media influencing them. I'm explaining that it will piss off some Muslims because correct tradition was not followed.

And some have no problem with it
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/...ows-compassion-of-islamic-law/?iref=allsearch

(video, starts at 3:30)
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/04/imam-talks-of-bin-ladens-death-and-beyond/?iref=allsearch

 

[Zack Snyder]

And apparently you live somewhere where you get "all the world's news?"

Look I understand where you are coming from as far as "US news" but some of us, go far beyond that when building our opinions....

I can only speak for myself...so I will say this, and leave it at this...

When I teach "apartheid" I do not just teach about South Africa, I include the Palestinians in this as well (this is just ONE example)....so please pull back alittle on your generalizations of...."nobody in the US cares...". That possibly is coming from your limited news media?????

I've seen a lot of coverage outside of the US. I've seen coverage in Lebanon where a child is killed during conflict, and it is covered like we cover a carjacking. The outrage that would be felt from such events in the US would be immediate. Unfortunately it has become a part of their life, it's not even shocking anymore. That is the reality. So if I objectively look at 911 I think "That was a bad day... terrible." When I objectively look at Palestinians for example I think "How hard is it to face this as a possible reality each and every day of your life?"

 

[Kelly]

Yeah no, I know that sounded weird, when I first jumped into the politics forum I saw a bunch of posts that made me think you were a jerk with poor diction, but that hasn't been the case since. Maybe you were drunk, I dunno. Either way, that's about as nice as I can be...

I never drink and post....

Wine goes with a good book and a fire, not SHH....

 

[Calvin]

I never drink and post....

Wine goes with a good book and a fire, not SHH....

Yeah... I don't, um... ever drink wine... while posting..... . . . yep. What were we talking about?

But yeah, seriously, I remember reading some of your posts and thinking "jesus, what an *******, what a moron" which I don't think anymore, so I felt like apologizing for the thoughts. Hey, there it is, I sound like a liberal again!

 

[Marx]

Cough syrup?

 

[Kelly]

Beer is left at the pub....

 

[Zack Snyder]

Given that everyone seemed to agree with you on your point regarding the Palestinians (we just disagree that we can't feel emotionally positive on the Osama thing despite that), indicates that you were wrong about that.

How so? I stated people on a message board interested and informed of politics is a small, nearly minute part of population in the US. I don't see where I was directing everything at the people on this board, I haven't been involved in the flow of the entire conversation. Where are the other millions of posters online making up the majority who would see my comments about Palestinians in the same light?

 

[Calvin]

Cough syrup?

True story, despite having done my share of drugs, I never really knew what cough syrup did to you, I thought maybe it just got you a little drunk. I had a horrible flu and cough last year, and was really struggling through the work week. I figured it was an excuse to down a bunch of cough syrup and be kind of tipsy, which would still allow me to do my job alright (VP at a consulting company, managing about 15 people directly). I downed one of those double sized Robitussin's before work. Holy crap was I wrong.

 

[Calvin]

How so? I stated people on a message board interested and informed of politics is a small, nearly minute part of population in the US. I don't see where I was directing everything at the people on this board, I haven't been involved in the flow of the entire conversation. Where are the other millions of posters online making up the majority who would see my comments about Palestinians in the same light?

It seemed by your post that you were specifically accusing the posters here of not understanding the Palestinian situation. Not only did we, but we all agreed with you on that, even though we disagreed with you on the Osama stuff. I was just pointing out that just because we're gung ho about the Osama thing, doesn't mean we're gung ho about what's going on there, and we're not gung ho about how the US has contributed to that. I do think we've done a ton of horrible stuff to contribute to the bad stuff going on over there, but I still think we're justified in reacting to Osama's death the way we have.

 

[Zack Snyder]

The funny thing is that people in here are *****ing that it wasn't a proper funeral.

You don't think a post like this has anything to do with the discussion that took place

Do you know how uninformed that looks to someone who is/or is versed in Muslim life

 

[Paradoxium]

Beer is left at the pub....

And a bottle of Jack Daniels after each post at SHH. t:

 

[Calvin]

You don't think a post like this has anything to do with the discussion that took place

Do you know how uninformed that looks to someone who is/or is versed in Muslim life

I think you're misreading that post. It wasn't meant to imply that I thought it was a "proper" muslim burial, it was pointing out that at the same time, we have some complaining that there wasn't a proper burial, while at the same time there are those complaining that Obama gave him a proper burial.

 

[Calvin]

And a bottle of Jack Daniels after each post at SHH. t:

I think we would all be better off if we had to take a shot with every post. We'd all be arm in arm singing in unison.

 

[Kelly]

How so? I stated people on a message board interested and informed of politics is a small, nearly minute part of population in the US. I don't see where I was directing everything at the people on this board, I haven't been involved in the flow of the entire conversation. Where are the other millions of posters online making up the majority who would see my comments about Palestinians in the same light?

That was not stated in your original post....

 

[Kelly]

And a bottle of Jack Daniels after each post at SHH. t:

Shhhhhhhhhhhhh.......

 

[Christopher Nolan]

in a few days our president solved two important questions

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Just noticed the poll. I'd release them. They may be gruesome, but we can see Kennedy's autopsy and that's probably a lot worse. I also think it'd be better for them to be officially released than eventually leaked by someone.

 

[Hound55]

I disagree ardently, I think it would be far better for your country if they were leaked "accidentally"...

 

[Yurka]

Just noticed the poll. I'd release them. They may be gruesome, but we can see Kennedy's autopsy and that's probably a lot worse. I also think it'd be better for them to be officially released than eventually leaked by someone.

The "gruesome" aspect I think has nothing to do with it, anyone can google much more gory and disturbing images. I believe the main reason is they're afraid of potential repercussions, and I agree with Obama for not releasing them.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Releasing the photos is just wrong in so many ways. As hypocritical our media is, they can simply just wait 20 years or so for all I care.

 

[Fading]

I'm mixed on it in all honesty.

The truth is, conspiracy theorists have nothing to do with it. There are groups who will always claim, even if they see it, that it's photoshopped for an Obama poll bump. They would physically have to be holding the body for it to satisfy them.

So if not for them, then who? Us? Is it our curiosity? A morbid curiosity? Wanting to see his blood as a sort of revenge? I don't think it's entirely that either.

The Middle East then? From what I'm hearing most of them don't care. With the recent changes and riots, it seems like Osama is a relic, no longer relevant (as a public face that is) to the majority of them (from news reports it even seemed most were happy as many ppl, not just Americans, have been killed by him). Plus, along with the conspiracy theorists, many who followed him wouldn't believe it anyway, unless they, again, had the body in their hands (and if they did they'd make it into a shrine).


So I'm not sure who REALLY needs to see it. On the other hand we see gory images all the time. Just watching River Monsters on animal planet the other day showed a body after Pirahna's had a go at it, I'm sure that was probably every bit as gory. I also am not so sure that a picture of him would necessarily set the Middle East on fire, nor make Osama's followers rush their plans to attack us anymore.

John Stewart made a good point, that it would make war a bit more real. Seeing the things that actually happen, and not simply locking everything away. We kind of get desensitized to war, because while always hearing about it, unless you have a loved one in the army it rarely ever directly impacts you.




So to me, it comes down to, maybe more violence, maybe not. Gore that would only bother children, who's parents should guard them from it anyway. Maybe some 9/11 survivors and family members would like to see it for closure. Also that I'm always for more transparency with our Government, as long as it's the truth, the more info the merrier as long as it's tastefully done.



....I guess I'm fine either way. As long as it's not used as a political tool, and used in as respectful a manner as something like that should be. Not that's I'm saying Osama deserves respect, but death, gore, and the emotions tied around what he's done and his image are different (whether that be to those who hate him, or would die for him).

So I really have no problem with the way Obama handled it, nor would I have had any major issues if he had shown it (especially if it was only to the 9/11 families, key world leaders for proof, and our political leaders who have already seen it so they don't stir up conspiracy theories)..

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42927020/ns/world_news

the funny thing about these wacko's raging about wanting a "holy war" is that if the USA had a similar much less constrained mentality, these people would probably be dead several times over. It's more by chioce not limitation this doesn't happen for alot of "supporters".

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

The photos will get released by Wikileaks or some other way. It may take months or years, but it will happen eventually. This way the President doesn't seem ghoulish.

I would like to see them personally, partly out of curiosity and partly to shut up the conspiracy-theory idiots, but I'm willing to accept there's reasons they are not being released that we might not know about. If a cartoon of Muhammed or a Koran burning can cause widespread riots and death in the Middle East, then I guess the Obama administration wants to err on the side of caution and make sure they don't do anything provocative that will endanger our troops overseas.

 

[craigdbfan]

Amid talks of the information "fog" of details in regards to the killing of Bin Laden, Al-Qaeda confirms/released first/new statement on Osama Bin Ladens death

Al-Qaida on Friday confirmed the killing of Osama bin Laden and warned of retaliation, saying Americans' "happiness will turn to sadness."

The confirmation came in an Internet statement posted on militant websites, signed by "the general leadership" of al-Qaida. The announcement opens the way for the group to name a successor to bin Laden. His deputy Ayman al-Zawahri is now the most prominent figure in the group and is a very likely contender to take his place.

The statement, dated May 3, was the first by the terror network since bin Laden was killed Monday by U.S. commandos in a raid on his hideout in Abbottabad, Pakistan. The statement's authenticity could not be independently confirmed, but it was posted on websites where the group traditionally puts out its messages.

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We stress that the blood of the holy warrior sheik, Osama bin Laden, God bless him, is precious to us and to all Muslims and will no go in vain," the statement said. "We will remain, God willing, a curse chasing the Americans and their agents, following them outside and inside their countries."

"Soon, God willing, their happiness will turn to sadness," it said, "their blood will be mingled with their tears."

In the statement, al-Qaida also called on the people of Pakistan — "where Sheik Osama was killed" — to rise up in revolt against its leaders. It also said that an audio message bin Laden recorded a week before his death would be issued soon.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

Al Qaeda sound desperate. They know they're finished.

Man, the conspiracy nutjobs will go crazy when that audio recording is released though, not grasping the fact it's old.