Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel the Vampire

[Iron Man]

I envy you, getting to watch this show with fresh eyes. If you thought season 1 was great, hold on to your hat.

I'm pretty much completely unspoiled too. Although I do know some bits here and there, most of the show is unknown to me so I'll probably come on here posting about being shocked when it's all old news to you guys t:

 

[Harry_Lime02]

I envy you, getting to watch this show with fresh eyes. If you thought season 1 was great, hold on to your hat.

Yeah, season 1 is actually my least favourite. It doesn't really have any episodes I'd consider standouts and has some of the worst of the show. Teachers Pet and The Pack are horrendously bad.

But it was still finding its feet, and hadn't quite built up all the elements it needed to reach its full potential yet.

 

[Iron Man]

Yeah, season 1 is actually my least favourite. It doesn't really have any episodes I'd consider standouts and has some of the worst of the show. Teachers Pet and The Pack are horrendously bad.

But it was still finding its feet, and hadn't quite built up all the elements it needed to reach its full potential yet.

I thought it was okay. It had some decent episodes and some not so decent episodes. But first seasons can be excused to a certain extent because as you said, shows are still finding their footing during that period.

 

[Sawyer]

I have a soft spot for The Pack, due to the fact that it was the first episode I ever saw.

 

[Matt Mortem]

Is that the one with the Hyenas?

 

[Sawyer]

Yeah.

 

[Matt Mortem]

That was my first episode seen too. I was pretty young when I saw it so it definitely stuck with me. Good episode.

 

[Havok83]

Yeah, season 1 is actually my least favourite. It doesn't really have any episodes I'd consider standouts and has some of the worst of the show. Teachers Pet and The Pack are horrendously bad.

But it was still finding its feet, and hadn't quite built up all the elements it needed to reach its full potential yet.

From season one, I thought Angel, Witch and Prophecy Girl were the good ones

 

[Harry_Lime02]

I have a soft spot for The Pack, due to the fact that it was the first episode I ever saw.

You'd honestly have to pay me to watch it again. I remember I was 20 minutes through it and it already felt like an eternity.

Prophecy Girl: By finale standards, I thought it was disappointing. It was pretty safe and by-the-numbers, and when you compare it to the other 6, which are all pretty great, it can't really hold a candle to them.

My fave is probably Nightmares, which is probably an unusual pick. I like episodes that mess with the status quo on a large scale. The Puppet Show was fun, as well.

 

[Havok83]

Puppet Show was one of the more memorable ones. I liked it as well. I watched the first season when it originally aired but skipped all of season 2 and didnt get back to the show till season 3 was over and in reruns. I loved it and watched from season 4 till the end. I know alot hated season 4 but I loved it bc it was my first full season as a fan. I loved Buffy and Riley as I didnt have the same attachment to she and Angel that others did and I liked the change in atmosphere from HS to college. Adam was a lame Big Bad but the Initiative itself was a different and interesting concept

 

[Harry_Lime02]

Yeah, like I said earlier, I don't particularly care for Adam or Riley, or even the overall plot, but some great almost-standalone episodes like Hush, Restless, Superstar and Something Blue makes up for it, IMO.

 

[DarkSovereignty]

which one was superstar... was that the one where jonathan alters reality to make him a famous demon hunter/awesome person?

 

[Primal Slayer]

It surely is. Every time I watch Season 4 I love it more. A lot of the episodes were good.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Riley was an okay love interest. He was a safe character, which coming after Angel just wasn't right. However, his last episode in season 5 is AWESOME!

Adam I loved the idea, but I had my problems with him overall. Could have executed it better.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Adam I loved the idea, but I had my problems with him overall. Could have executed it better.

He was potentially cool, but suffered for several reasons.

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First of all: he was almost all build-up, but we saw so little of him until the last few episodes of the season. It would have been better if we first saw him for his intended use, killing monsters, and THEN see him getting out of control and killing Initiative people.

Second of all, Buffy using her Matrix-powers to defeat him was almost cringe-worthy.

 

[Spider-Fan]

He was potentially cool, but suffered for several reasons.

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First of all: he was almost all build-up, but we saw so little of him until the last few episodes of the season. It would have been better if we first saw him for his intended use, killing monsters, and THEN see him getting out of control and killing Initiative people.

Second of all, Buffy using her Matrix-powers to defeat him was almost cringe-worthy.

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I actually liked he was mostly mystery, but they let it go on too long. They needed to show him be badass an episode or two sooner. Like around when they did for Caleb. I 100% agree on his defeat, though. Absolute crap.

 

[KenK]

He was potentially cool, but suffered for several reasons.

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First of all: he was almost all build-up, but we saw so little of him until the last few episodes of the season. It would have been better if we first saw him for his intended use, killing monsters, and THEN see him getting out of control and killing Initiative people.

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I think it would have been too cliched, anyway. Most viewers would have just been counting down to when he would turn on the initiative. Adam, both in concept and visual was essentially Frankenstein's monster. If you know that story, there'd be no suspense to seeing him serve the initiative as the humans intended, for any prolonged period of time

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Second of all, Buffy using her Matrix-powers to defeat him was almost cringe-worthy.

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The important thing to note is that the whole point was that after a season of everyone pretty much going their own way, and drifting apart somewhat, (Willow's exploration of witchcraft . . and other stuff, Xander's job-hopping while his friends are in college, Giles with no library, etc) The four had to be closer than they'd ever been to fight Adam. Their very essences had to co-mingle with Buffy's.

 

[Havok83]

I thought it was also anticlimatic that Buffy doesnt even fight him in the season finale. All Big Bad's get taken out in the finale but her final showdown with him happens for it. I think Restless should have maybe been tweaked and aired prior to Primeval

 

[The Question]

I thought it was also anticlimatic that Buffy doesnt even fight him in the season finale. All Big Bad's get taken out in the finale but her final showdown with him happens for it. I think Restless should have maybe been tweaked and aired prior to Primeval

I disagree with that completely. Restless, like every other season finale, was the culmination of the season that had proceeded it. The central struggle of season four wasn't stopping Adam and The Initiative, it was the main characters trying to maintain their relationships and sense of self while their world changed radically around them. Adam and The Initiative were simply the most immediate and physical threat to that. Besides, it was a break from the usual formula, which I found refreshing.

 

[Harry_Lime02]

Primeval felt more like a finale, but Restless was by far the superior episode. I loved that they chose something more unconventional and character-based to end the season with.

 

[DarkSovereignty]

besides, weren't the events of restless directly caused by how the gang defeated Adam anyway? the story wouldn't had made sense if it had taken place before primeval.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Ya. If they hadnt evoked the first slayer then Primeval wouldnt have happened.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Restless was the perfect way to end the series. It kind of mirrored the feelings of the group. And instead of just seeing the big bad fight and then ending and next season jumping to 3 months later, we actually get to understand what it's like to come home after a fight like that, all wired but absolutely zonked, and have weird dreams filling your head.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I remember watching Dracula for the first time and seeing Dawn at the end made me go "WTF! Am I forgetting something here?" But love how Joss alluded to her in S3 and 4.

 

[Havok83]

besides, weren't the events of restless directly caused by how the gang defeated Adam anyway? the story wouldn't had made sense if it had taken place before primeval.

thats why I said tweaked it bc as it stood, chronologically it had to happen after Primeval. With some tweaking, the episode could have stood on its own before it

I remember watching Dracula for the first time and seeing Dawn at the end made me go "WTF! Am I forgetting something here?" But love how Joss alluded to her in S3 and 4.

When did he allude to her in season 3? All I recall was the stuff from Restless in season 4