The Dark Knight Caine Describes Ledger's Joker

-Microwave emitter not vaporizing the water in people

This meme is SO tired, SO pretentious and SO UTTERLY CLUELESS. Fact is, the military HAS worked on using microwave emitters as weapons. It works on - HELLO? ANYONE HOME? - whatever it's aimed at. Just like any other weapon. The one in the film obviously had its energy output "aimed" DOWN.

The real problem is that these things take too long to work and use up too much power. They aren't terribly practical, at least not yet, but not for the reasons you keep brainlessly droning on about.

So give it a rest, you're embarrassing yourself.
 
This meme is SO tired, SO pretentious and SO UTTERLY CLUELESS. Fact is, the military HAS worked on using microwave emitters as weapons. It works on - HELLO? ANYONE HOME? - whatever it's aimed at. The one in the film obviously had its energy output "aimed" DOWN.

The real problem is that these things take too long to work and use up too much power. They aren't terribly practical, at least not yet, but not for the reasons you keep brainlessly droning on about.

So give it a rest, you're embarrassing yourself.

well it wouldn't explain the toxins people would get from a hot steamy shower or boiling water.

also thats very interesting, didn't know that
 
Ya joker, along with other Batman villains are like the lore of vampires, they change with each author and are never the same. Some vampires can go out in the sun, another version they can't. Both valid reasons why, same genre and theme yet different views.

allow me to chip in on this debate. The Joker is mad, psychotic, period, his method of skin coloring does not affect that in my eyes. The contention obviously comes because (iirc) there's no definitive Joker origin and he is such a long established character than people have grown very attached to their image of him. For me the key element ofs the Joker's personality are 1) the fact he is a psycho and 2) his 'taste for the theatrics' and NOT his skin.

Over and out :)
these posts are the arguments for interpretation. there are many many more. but these two are big parts of the interpretation argument. it's getting to the point where there are three camps. the people who think joker should definitely be permanently white. those who now have begun to think that permanently white is old hash, and should be abolished. and those who believe in interpretation.

cap'n's vampire analogy is perfect for batman villains. other than their names, nothing is completely written in stone.
 
This meme is SO tired, SO pretentious and SO UTTERLY CLUELESS. Fact is, the military HAS worked on using microwave emitters as weapons. It works on - HELLO? ANYONE HOME? - whatever it's aimed at. Just like any other weapon. The one in the film obviously had its energy output "aimed" DOWN.

The real problem is that these things take too long to work and use up too much power. They aren't terribly practical, at least not yet, but not for the reasons you keep brainlessly droning on about.

So give it a rest, you're embarrassing yourself.


So you're saying that during that whole time, when everybody was running around and the microwave emitter was, nobody walked or ran into the "line of fire?"

And don't give me that "they weren't close enough" crap. The sewers started going up a few seconds BEFORE the microwave emitter was ontop of them.
 
wow... be gone with the name calling. If anything people who are for make up are narrow-minded because they see the pictures and go ok well thats settled. The perma white crowd comes up with different theories on the skin

You mis-understand, Captain. I've thought long and hard about how Joker could be using make-up, be it white or flesh toned, what he might actually look like, and how whatever happens to him happens. Just because I don't post every idea I have doesn't mean I've not thought about it.

It just be-fuddles me on ow so many people are somehow convinced that because Joker isn't permaclown that means he's somehow less of a Joker. I once tried to tell people here that his behavior, his personality is what should count. Within minutes, I got responces like, "Oh so you wouldn't mind if the Joker was an 80 black woman wearing make-up???"

I know there's just no pleasing some people, and there's no way in hell to lease everyone. We have a crazy, scary, psychotic clown of a Joker, and people don't see that because, well darn it, he's not been bleached.

Similarly, theother side of the coin is the "he wears make-up! OMG that's brilliant/Nolan is gawd" syndrom, which is actually worse.

What about taking each version as it's own? I've not seen anyone else that can do that. Love it or hate it, Nolan and Co. have something going for them here...it all depends on if he can pull it off or not.
 
This meme is SO tired, SO pretentious and SO UTTERLY CLUELESS. Fact is, the military HAS worked on using microwave emitters as weapons. It works on - HELLO? ANYONE HOME? - whatever it's aimed at. Just like any other weapon. The one in the film obviously had its energy output "aimed" DOWN.

The real problem is that these things take too long to work and use up too much power. They aren't terribly practical, at least not yet, but not for the reasons you keep brainlessly droning on about.

So give it a rest, you're embarrassing yourself.
cool. good call. and then for fear toxins, you could say any hallucinogen can be chemically altered to prey on fear (at least it can be done for a movie and still make enough sense, like chemical bleaching). and then for a secret society of terrorists, there is the illuminati. but no one believes in the illuminati. fact is. people can cry about realism on both sides all they want, and it doesnt matter at all. because "Realism" has nothing to do with anything when it comes to the joker debate.
 
You mis-understand, Captain. I've thought long and hard about how Joker could be using make-up, be it white or flesh toned, what he might actually look like, and how whatever happens to him happens. Just because I don't post every idea I have doesn't mean I've not thought about it.

It just be-fuddles me on ow so many people are somehow convinced that because Joker isn't permaclown that means he's somehow less of a Joker. I once tried to tell people here that his behavior, his personality is what should count. Within minutes, I got responces like, "Oh so you wouldn't mind if the Joker was an 80 black woman wearing make-up???"

I know there's just no pleasing some people, and there's no way in hell to lease everyone. We have a crazy, scary, psychotic clown of a Joker, and people don't see that because, well darn it, he's not been bleached.

Similarly, theother side of the coin is the "he wears make-up! OMG that's brilliant/Nolan is gawd" syndrom, which is actually worse.

What about taking each version as it's own? I've not seen anyone else that can do that. Love it or hate it, Nolan and Co. have something going for them here...it all depends on if he can pull it off or not.

I actually remember you getting that response..


moving on, ya I misunderstood you, forgive me. Ya actually both sides are a tad narrowminded, I thought you were bashing people who want the permawhite.

I really don't care personally, doesn't bother me either way.
 
So you're saying that during that whole time, when everybody was running around and the microwave emitter was, nobody walked or ran into the "line of fire?"

And don't give me that "they weren't close enough" crap. The sewers started going up a few seconds BEFORE the microwave emitter was ontop of them.
eh. you can use pseudo-science to explain that the microwave emitter only reacts to flouridated water. or only water that was touching that water at the time of emission. there's all kinds of things you could explain with just one line of dialogue. but that's not needed. reality has nothing to do with this.
 
I Have It!
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Well, if this is the poster, so much for the "dead bat" theory.
 
I actually remember you getting that response..


moving on, ya I misunderstood you, forgive me. Ya actually both sides are a tad narrowminded, I thought you were bashing people who want the permawhite.

I really don't care personally, doesn't bother me either way.

most sensible thing i've heard all morning.
 
eh. you can use pseudo-science to explain that the microwave emitter only reacts to flouridated water. or only water that was touching that water at the time of emission. there's all kinds of things you could explain with just one line of dialogue. but that's not needed. reality has nothing to do with this.


Same with permawhite.
 
i know. i said that. that's my whole point. none of this matters and it's a stupid argument on both sides. you should read my posts that support your side =D


Then everybody should stop arguing, and in effect stop posting, becuase then all we'll have to talk about are the few and far between updates.


The boards will be DEAD.
 
I actually remember you getting that response..*


moving on, ya I misunderstood you, forgive me. Ya actually both sides are a tad narrowminded, I thought you were bashing people who want the permawhite.

I really don't care personally, doesn't bother me either way.
(*what did you think on that...because i thought is was laughable)

No no, I don't bash one side unless I take the other side down as well.

Personally, I don't really care either, although I do think this Joker seems very interesting to say the least.
 
Then everybody should stop arguing, and in effect stop posting, becuase then all we'll have to talk about are the few and far between updates.


The boards will be DEAD.
well i agree with the stop arguing part. but i don't think that this argument makes up THAT much of this board. i'd say it's like 10% tops. which is too much for any conversation. especially a pointless one. but i think people can agree about stuff, or speculate on things without getting enraged over this.
 
(*what did you think on that...because i thought is was laughable)

No no, I don't bash one side unless I take the other side down as well.

Personally, I don't really care either, although I do think this Joker seems very interesting to say the least.

I proceeded to think of Whoopi Goldberg in her 80s as the Joker and it was Fantastic.
 
Then everybody should stop arguing, and in effect stop posting, becuase then all we'll have to talk about are the few and far between updates.


The boards will be DEAD.

Umm...no. We've not just been arguing back and forth for months. Every little bit of info, ever picture, every website was/has been combed through, and it's been fun to play the games.

*cough* leaked pics *cough*

The boards would NOT be dead, and to assume that does nothing but support the argument of arguing, which is, as most people can safely say now, pointless.
 
well i'd love to stay up longer and defend permawhite, and defend make-up, and defend interpretation, and defend not arguing, BUT, i need to sleep at some point, so, i'm off. i'll catch you guys later. laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate
 
So you're saying that during that whole time, when everybody was running around and the microwave emitter was, nobody walked or ran into the "line of fire?"

And don't give me that "they weren't close enough" crap. The sewers started going up a few seconds BEFORE the microwave emitter was ontop of them.

Gee, another idiot who'll yap on cluelessly. READ the linked articles, if you can. The microwave makes people uncomfortable, without damaging them! If you stand there, uncomfortable, for long enough you might explode, I suppose. Most people just find a new place to stand. Used on crowds, the idea is to quell riots. More importantly, the train in the film was MOVING over a fixed water main. That means the rays are always focused on the water in the pipes, not on moving targets (people).

Yes, the sewer pipes burst right away. No way that happens in real life - there's too much water to heat up. Plus there's the matter of penetrating all that concrete and steel. That's all artistic license for the sake of the film, and if one wanted to criticize the weapon in an intelligent and informed way (not that this stops some people), it would be on that basis. No one wants to sit around waiting for water to boil, so they showed the mains popping like teakettles. Aside from that, the film described pretty much the way that sort of weapon works, if the goal is to destroy a water supply.

I learned about this sort of thing while doing PR for an engineering institute that was working with the US military on various projects. But don't let the facts stop you! Do drone on witlessly, we are all so impressed.
 
cool. good call. and then for fear toxins, you could say any hallucinogen can be chemically altered to prey on fear (at least it can be done for a movie and still make enough sense, like chemical bleaching). and then for a secret society of terrorists, there is the illuminati. but no one believes in the illuminati. fact is. people can cry about realism on both sides all they want, and it doesnt matter at all. because "Realism" has nothing to do with anything when it comes to the joker debate.

I agree, though you do have to "sell" whatever you're doing to the audience. If they don't buy in, you have a flop. It is not, as you say, a matter of 'realism' per se so much as it a matter of acceptance. We buy into completely unrealistic films all the time.

What Nolan has done to Batman is strip away the "comic book" detachment of the character. Batman had previously been portrayed, in all his "live action" incarnations, as existing within a comic book world that depended on comic book rules. In that world, Batman was a hero loved by cops (who were almost never jealous or suspicious of him). He could show up at parties and ribbon cuttings. His gadgets showed up out of nowhere. And so on. The suspension of belief required in order to care about the character was rather extreme.

Nolan changed the rules under which Batman operated, which had made him become increasingly ridiculous. All Schumacher did was follow that road to its logical conclusion, which the WB execs encouraged him to take. At the end of that road was Adam West. So Nolan had to start over ("begin") again entirely.

As far as "fear toxin" goes, I don't find the idea unfeasible. There ARE drugs out there (I suppose one could look them up, if one really cared) that increase paranoia and anxiety in most people. ALL drugs do what they do "on most people". But on some people, they will have odd effects. There has been talk that some people would become addicted to Scarecrow's toxin, and would seek him out to buy it. Supposedly such a sale is happening in an early scene in the film. And that is possible.
 
Gee, another idiot who'll yap on cluelessly. READ the linked articles, if you can. The microwave makes people uncomfortable, without damaging them! If you stand there, uncomfortable, for long enough you might explode, I suppose. Most people just find a new place to stand. Used on crowds, the idea is to quell riots. More importantly, the train in the film was MOVING over a fixed water main. That means the rays are always focused on the water in the pipes, not on moving targets (people).

Yes, the sewer pipes burst right away. No way that happens in real life - there's too much water to heat up. Plus there's the matter of penetrating all that concrete and steel. That's all artistic license for the sake of the film, and if one wanted to criticize the weapon in an intelligent and informed way (not that this stops some people), it would be on that basis. No one wants to sit around waiting for water to boil, so they showed the mains popping like teakettles. Aside from that, the film described pretty much the way that sort of weapon works, if the goal is to destroy a water supply.

I learned about this sort of thing while doing PR for an engineering institute that was working with the US military on various projects. But don't let the facts stop you! Do drone on witlessly, we are all so impressed.


I'm sorry. All I heard were childish insults.


Try again scooter.
 
I'm sorry. All I heard were childish insults.
Try again scooter.

Clownboy can't take a dose of reality. So now he's pouting. No surprise, I've seen your posts before.

Sorry 'scooter' (oh brother), spent more than enough time on you today. Offered you the facts, you can't face them. Rather like your real life I'd expect. "Childish" indeed.
 

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