Cameron's "Avatar"

[Anita18]

i think he is saying that critics will watch Amelia and will then see the avatar trailer. and after the movie they will talk about it and will promote it.

i think this will not happen.

Serious critics never talk about trailers, nor do they "promote" movies that haven't come out yet. (That's AICN's job. ) They just review what's in front of them.

 

[firsttimeposter]

According to inconention.com

Avatar could get awards for film editing/music original score/sound editing/sound mixing/visual effects

not sure how they come to that conclusion as i m sure they havent seen it all-

i might be wrong though..

 

[dark_b]

Serious critics never talk about trailers, nor do they "promote" movies that haven't come out yet. (That's AICN's job. ) They just review what's in front of them.

i agree.
plus dont big critics get special screenings?

lets face it. the trailer will get teh biggest attention now on the internet and in november with Christmas Carol . if they had a plan to promote avatar through movies then they failed. summer is over. you know the big movies star trek,harry potter and transformers?

 

[matrix_ghost]

According to inconention.com

Avatar could get awards for film editing/music original score/sound editing/sound mixing/visual effects

not sure how they come to that conclusion as i m sure they havent seen it all-

i might be wrong though..

It's not that difficult to see why they come to that conclusion , based on what other tech-heavy movies got.
With this CGI involved , it's pretty much a given that this movie will most likely be nominated for the technical awards

Best VFX
Best Sound Effects
Best Sound
Best Editing

Aside from that Avatar will have a sweeping score ala Titanic and it won't be a minimal score like what Brad Friedel did with Terminator. Those scores ( the former) also get nominated.

Hell i think that Avatar will alsmo be nominated for Best Art Direction and maybe costum design as well.

 

[dark_b]

i think it will be funny after the movie is out when some people will say that avatar has a chance to get a nomination for best actress of Neytiri(CGI character). of course this wont happen hehehehehhe but belive me some will say.

of course there is no way that they would nominate a CGI character hahahahahha.

 

[matrix_ghost]

i think it will be funny after the movie is out when some people will say that avatar has a chance to get a nomination for best actress of Neytiri(CGI character). of course this wont happen hehehehehhe but belive me some will say.

of course there is no way that they would nominate a CGI character hahahahahha.

Exactly i do think they should never nominate an actor or actress who plays a digital character in a movie. People are claiming that Andy Serkis not getting an award or nomination for his work on LOTR is a travesty. But really his Gollum appearance is so different from how Serkis looks. It's not just the performance but also the visual look of a character that makes the audience believe.
CGI gives you the freedom to actually change the performance of an actor to your liking.

 

[dark_b]

Exactly i do think they should never nominate an actor or actress who plays a digital character in a movie. People are claiming that Andy Serkis not getting an award or nomination for his work on LOTR is a travesty. But really his Gollum appearance is so different from how Serkis looks. It's not just the performance but also the visual look of a character that makes the audience believe.
CGI gives you the freedom to actually change the performance of an actor to your liking.

plus it would be an insult to all the CGIartist who spend hours on the computer and had to listen Cameron everyday insulting them how fake it looks.because there is no way that they translated 100% from Zoe to Neytiri. cgi artist still had to do fixes and hand animate her face a little ot make it work. plus ears? all hand animated.

fact is that what we willsee from Neytiri is not 100% from Zoe Saldana. so she should not get an nomination. back with Gollum it was even more obvious. even more CGI artist worked even more on gollum like they did on the avatars and na'vi.

 

[Nivek]

Exactly i do think they should never nominate an actor or actress who plays a digital character in a movie. People are claiming that Andy Serkis not getting an award or nomination for his work on LOTR is a travesty. But really his Gollum appearance is so different from how Serkis looks. It's not just the performance but also the visual look of a character that makes the audience believe.
CGI gives you the freedom to actually change the performance of an actor to your liking.

So, going by that logic, any actor in Make-up should not be nominated? Technically, CG allows more of an actor to come through and express than them working under layers of foam-rubber. Please explain...

 

[BlackLantern]

So, going by that logic, any actor in Make-up should not be nominated? Technically, CG allows more of an actor to come through and express than them working under layers of foam-rubber. Please explain...

well, that's under the assumption that the movie is any good....sure it looks great, but the story doesn't seem to support the visuals

if anything, Cameron might get a nod for Best Director...and that would only be if the critics like the movie and the Academy doesn't want to **** Cameron for being a bastard

 

[Dark Donnie]

What's the new trailer gonna be attached to?

 

[terry78]

What's the new trailer gonna be attached to?

Either Astro Boy, Amelia, or Vampire's Assistant.

 

[Octoberist]

I wanna say Vampire's Assistant might be the way to go.

 

[Jackasscoley15]

Exactly i do think they should never nominate an actor or actress who plays a digital character in a movie. People are claiming that Andy Serkis not getting an award or nomination for his work on LOTR is a travesty. But really his Gollum appearance is so different from how Serkis looks. It's not just the performance but also the visual look of a character that makes the audience believe.
CGI gives you the freedom to actually change the performance of an actor to your liking.

You do know that Gollum's appearance was based on Serkis, right? Without Serkis, we would have gotten this:

And even Weta animators on the DVD said that Serkis's performance was the driving force of Gollum. See for yourself, very little changed from his performance to what we saw on screen.

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[Anita18]

It's not that difficult to see why they come to that conclusion , based on what other tech-heavy movies got.
With this CGI involved , it's pretty much a given that this movie will most likely be nominated for the technical awards

Best VFX
Best Sound Effects
Best Sound
Best Editing

Aside from that Avatar will have a sweeping score ala Titanic and it won't be a minimal score like what Brad Friedel did with Terminator. Those scores ( the former) also get nominated.

Hell i think that Avatar will alsmo be nominated for Best Art Direction and maybe costum design as well.

Best Art Direction and Best Costume Design for sets and costumes that don't exist in real life? That's even more of a reach than a Best Acting nomination for a CG character.

 

[Sawyer]

Looking forward to the new trailer.

 

[BestGirl]

but Wolverine was horrible....it made money though....if Cameron wants to hype the movie a different way and rely on word of mouth, I commend him....Im sure he's going for the kind of repeat viewership that kept Titanic going

I'd be more comfortable with that approach if Avatar had a smaller budget. If this method doesn't pay off Avatar could flop big time. Regardless, I can't wait to see the trailer next week.

 

[omid17]

i like this pic

The interesting thing to note is not the fact that we’ll soon be getting a new “better” Avatar trailer (wasn’t it inevitable?), but the fact that it’ll be three and a half minutes long.

damn 3:30 min long, kick ass

 

[xwolverine2]

well if this movie makes its money back then cameron will waste another ten years on a sequel to this...

 

[Electrofarce]

well if this movie makes its money back then cameron will waste another ten years on a sequel to this...

Waste?

I think you mean "wisely spend".

 

[matrix_ghost]

So, going by that logic, any actor in Make-up should not be nominated? Technically, CG allows more of an actor to come through and express than them working under layers of foam-rubber. Please explain...

CGI frees up limitations an actor would otherwise have. Take Gollum for example. You seriously think that Serkis would be able to pull of that look for gollum for the whole shoot ? No he couldn't. And while Serkis's facial performance was used as reference alot of the work was done by animators in order to get those things just right. Hell look at what PIXAR is doing. They don't even have actors like Serkis driving an entire performance. Alot of the stuff is just the animators working on for months and months and even to this day the audience simply falls of love of the actors because of their believability

With make up you really can go so far before either augmenting a performance with minor CG work ( the mouth of sauron for example) or you'll have to use animatronics ( the angel of death in Hellboy 2).

btw i didn't say that actors in make up don't need to be nominated. It depends on just how much make up is used but it is definately possible for actors to act with layers of make up on. However the difference here is that with make up you can only go up to a certain point whereas with CGI you can basically play anyone.

 

[matrix_ghost]

plus it would be an insult to all the CGIartist who spend hours on the computer and had to listen Cameron everyday insulting them how fake it looks.because there is no way that they translated 100% from Zoe to Neytiri. cgi artist still had to do fixes and hand animate her face a little ot make it work. plus ears? all hand animated.

fact is that what we willsee from Neytiri is not 100% from Zoe Saldana. so she should not get an nomination. back with Gollum it was even more obvious. even more CGI artist worked even more on gollum like they did on the avatars and na'vi.

Agreed.
An CG artist might look an a performance and on the insistance of the director might change the look to heighten certain emotional states.

 

[BlackLantern]

I'd be more comfortable with that approach if Avatar had a smaller budget. If this method doesn't pay off Avatar could flop big time. Regardless, I can't wait to see the trailer next week.

Cameron has poured a decade into this project....critical acclaim is nice and all, but if the returns are phenomenal...Cameron is going to look silly

 

[matrix_ghost]

You do know that Gollum's appearance was based on Serkis, right? Without Serkis, we would have gotten this:

And even Weta animators on the DVD said that Serkis's performance was the driving force of Gollum. See for yourself, very little changed from his performance to what we saw on screen.

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I doubt we'd get that kind of half-assed animation with gollum. That's a very early rendering of him. His final look would've been as he is in the movies. They just changed Gollum\s face making it look more like serkis.

ANd i don't doubt that Serkis's performance drived Gollum. However going by that logic , Pter Jackson could've just put Serkis in a make up suit and play the character. Yet he didn't. Gollum looks like a junkie and Serkis has the size of a bodybuilder. He's using his body language to portray the character but alot of the stuff was "exxagerated". His face was more about keyframe animation , as was his hands and for the body movements , mo-cap was used.

SO while Serkis might give a performance of his character looking sinister with wide eyes , the animators could amplify that with the gollum model to make it look really sinister.

 

[Kane52630]

its weird, i said over the weekend if they dont show anything new, ill start being worried
I think Cameron is watching us

 

[matrix_ghost]

well if this movie makes its money back then cameron will waste another ten years on a sequel to this...

Are you trying to get flamed with posts like these?

Seriously he has said that if Avatar becomes a success , he'll make the 2nd and 3rd movie. However it won't take so much time because the tech is there now. He wants to upgrade is the speed of the animation and the performance capture.

The only thing that might slow dow the development of the sequel(s) is his adaptation of Battle Angel. Rumors are that Cameron is busy with early tests and if he's sticking to his plan he'll make Battle angel before Avatar 2.
He's pretty booked for the next 10 years making Avatar first , then Battle ANgel ,, followed by AVatar 2 , Battle Angel 2 , Avatar 3 and Battle ANgel 3