Can someone please destroy Activision?

[Spider-Jay]

The consensus from all the different reviews on every site and videogame magazine prove my first point. Look at the scores of most of the PS3 games as opposed to 360 games. Look at how many exclusives on the 360 are rated 9 or 10 compared to how many exclusives on the PS3.

And your whole argument just sounds like an upset fanboy. The only people who start out by saying something so stupid as "Oh, well, I knew the fanboys would get whiff of this thread eventually. It was inevitable I suppose". Is clearly showing themselves to be a fanboy that can't take criticism of your precious game system. I've spent more of my actual hard earned money on Playstation products then you probably have so don't tell me I'm a fanboy of anybody simply because I am not blindly following Sony.

I hate to say this, but as much as you like to call people fanboys, you suspiciously reek of fanboy odour as well.

While I would agree with you that the 360 is the defacto gaming console for this gen it is far from being the machine of most value on the market.

 

[StrainedEyes]

I'm all for Activision trying to force Sony to make a price cut.

 

[Spider-Jay]

Valve is a diferent ball game, and i respect their choise.
What Gabe Newell said was that he is in the business to make great games and great experiences, not to spend a lot of time cracking the best way to make games for a certain dificult console.
By other words, Valve cares more about the games than the money they can make by making it multiplaform, and that, deserves some respect.

Valve is Microsoft´s third party (and don´t be caught off guard if, one day, they become first party), and nothing will ever change that.

Hold on, let me get this straight.

So Valve says they are in it for making the best gaming experiences and not caring about the money. Right, so they are all about the gamers.

Problem: They are shutting out 23 million potential customers and robbing them of the opportunity to experience said games.

As for making the best game experiences, you do realize that any game experience that could be made on the 360 could be made on the PS3 as well right? That way, the awesomeness of Newell and friends could be shared among double the people. Hooray!

In other words they are lazy. Simply lazy. If a team like Ubisoft Montreal, who has nowhere near the same talent as Valve could produce products that are of equal quality on both consoles, then Valve has no excuse. Either they're super lazy or have MS has paid for exclusivity.

And Valve is not Microsoft's third party. They are Microsoft's nothing.

They are simply a third party.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

No, i have to disagree.
They lost most of their exclusives because it was bound to happen, even if the PS3 had the same price tag of the Xbox.
RE, FF, GTA...all those games could never continue being exclusives, they only did last gen because Microsoft was still taking their first steps in the console business.
People seem to forget that Sony never had real competition for two generations in a row, not taking away their merit, but that was the big reason why the PS1 and PS2 sold like they did.
MGS was the only one missing, but not anymore, now all big third party franchises are multiplatform.

Activision is the biggest publisher out there, so, it´s big and it can very well make a domino effect

Sony lost their exclusives because they got cocky, the only reason it was bound to happen is because Microsoft has done such a great job this generation of securing their place as the core gamer leader of the console race. You say they kept their exclusive last gen because Microsoft was taking thier, well then why wasn't the same true for the PS1. Sony had success with the PS1 because the went out and paid the money for exclusive like Mortal Kombat 3 and Doom, Metal Gear was big but that came later. Activision is just reacting to what the consumer is telling them, why pay higher production costs for a lower return on investment, video games are a business and the trend is leaning heavily in favor of the 360 and Wii. Hell when you're previous system outsells your new system, that's sending a loud message to 3rd party developers.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

All of you are fanboys if you dont own both the 360 anf PS3 like me, so HAH!

 

[Spider-Jay]

All of you are fanboys if you dont own both the 360 anf PS3 like me, so HAH!

360/PS3/Wii owner here bro!t:

In terms of usage:

360>PS3>>>>Wii

EDIT: Technically the PS3 is my brother's but we live in the same house, so whatever!

 

[amazingfantasy15]

Hold on, let me get this straight.

So Valve says they are in it for making the best gaming experiences and not caring about the money. Right, so they are all about the gamers.

Problem: They are shutting out 23 million potential customers and robbing them of the opportunity to experience said games.

As for making the best game experiences, you do realize that any game experience that could be made on the 360 could be made on the PS3 as well right? That way, the awesomeness of Newell and friends could be shared among double the people. Hooray!

In other words they are lazy. Simply lazy. If a team like Ubisoft Montreal, who has nowhere near the same talent as Valve could produce products that are of equal quality on both consoles, then Valve has no excuse. Either they're super lazy or have MS has paid for exclusivity.

And Valve is not Microsoft's third party. They are Microsoft's nothing.

They are simply a third party.

Totally agree. Microsoft is paying for the exclusivity, just like Microsoft pays so they can get exclusive DLC for a number of high profile games.

 

[Havok83]

Sony lost their exclusives because they got cocky, the only reason it was bound to happen is because Microsoft has done such a great job this generation of securing their place as the core gamer leader of the console race. You say they kept their exclusive last gen because Microsoft was taking thier, well then why wasn't the same true for the PS1. Sony had success with the PS1 because the went out and paid the money for exclusive like Mortal Kombat 3 and Doom, Metal Gear was big but that came later. Activision is just reacting to what the consumer is telling them, why pay higher production costs for a lower return on investment, video games are a business and the trend is leaning heavily in favor of the 360 and Wii. Hell when you're previous system outsells your new system, that's sending a loud message to 3rd party developers.

with the way the economy is and the fierce competition out there, the only way to secure 3rd party support is pay for it. Thats the reason why there hasnt been as many 3rd party exclusives this gen with the PS3, bc Sony hasnt been willing to pay for it. Thats not their goal and not really worth it since most "exclusives" these day end up being timed anyway. No, they've taken a different approach and that has been to pour that money back into their own 1st and 2nd party studios and work on creating original IPs and reinventing the old ones they had. Sony arguably has the most/best 1st and 2nd party support out there. That stuff truly is exclusive and will never go anywhere and they are more than happy with that

 

[Spider-Jay]

Totally agree. Microsoft is paying for the exclusivity, just like Microsoft pays so they can get exclusive DLC for a number of high profile games.

Yep. MS has been very intelligent handling their relationships with developers and it has paid off big time for them.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

with the way the economy is and the fierce competition out there, the only way to secure 3rd party support is pay for it. Thats the reason why there hasnt been as many 3rd party exclusives this gen with the PS3, bc Sony hasnt been willing to pay for it. Thats not their goal and not really worth it since most "exclusives" these day end up being timed anyway. No, they've taken a different approach and that has been to pour that money back into their own 1st and 2nd party studios and work on creating original IPs and reinventing the old ones they had. Sony arguably has the most/best 1st and 2nd party support out there. That stuff truly is exclusive and will never go anywhere and they are more than happy with that

If their 1st and 2nd party support is so great why are they in third place right now? Besides that, PS1 and PS2 were built on 3rd party support. Sony went in the complete opposite direction this generation from what made them a success in the past two generations.

 

[Tron Bonne]

If their 1st and 2nd party support is so great why are they in third place right now? Besides that, PS1 and PS2 were built on 3rd party support. Sony went in the complete opposite direction this generation from what made them a success in the past two generations.

The price, I believe, is the main reason they are at where they at right now. I don't know if they'd completely take 2nd place if they had been more competitively priced, but it would be a much closer race at this point

All of you are fanboys if you dont own both the 360 anf PS3 like me, so HAH!

I'll see you on that and raise you a Wii

 

[Raiden]

All of you are fanboys if you dont own both the 360 anf PS3 like me, so HAH!

I own 360 and Wii, but I cannot justify buying a PS3, at least to my wife (she already put up with my 2 console systems). I love my 360 but I must say if not for the fact that my friend has 360 and I wanted to play games with him, I probably would have gone for PS3 instead. I can understand Activision's rationale for considering dropping PS3 development, though, since it's a tough time and companies have to maximize their earnings and minimize costs. There is no loyalty to anyone except the mighty dollar.

 

[Havok83]

If their 1st and 2nd party support is so great why are they in third place right now? Besides that, PS1 and PS2 were built on 3rd party support. Sony went in the complete opposite direction this generation from what made them a success in the past two generations.

a number of reasons already stated in this thread. Their initial high price point was a big factor in turning off people

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

Hold on, let me get this straight.

So Valve says they are in it for making the best gaming experiences and not caring about the money. Right, so they are all about the gamers.

Problem: They are shutting out 23 million potential customers and robbing them of the opportunity to experience said games.

As for making the best game experiences, you do realize that any game experience that could be made on the 360 could be made on the PS3 as well right? That way, the awesomeness of Newell and friends could be shared among double the people. Hooray!

In other words they are lazy. Simply lazy. If a team like Ubisoft Montreal, who has nowhere near the same talent as Valve could produce products that are of equal quality on both consoles, then Valve has no excuse. Either they're super lazy or have MS has paid for exclusivity.

And Valve is not Microsoft's third party. They are Microsoft's nothing.

They are simply a third party.

I don´t really know what to say after this....
You know what a third party partner is, right?

So, by your logic, Insomniac and Sucker Punch (among others) are robbing 30million potential consumers of the opportunity of playing their games because they don´t go to other platforms.
You do realise that those two companies only make games for Sony platforms and are not 1st party, right?
That´s exactly the same as Valve.
And when a company (Valve) doesn´t make games for Sony or for Nintendo..yes, they are seen as third party partners, in this case, for Microsoft, because they make games for their console games

 

[Havok83]

I don´t really know what to say after this....
You know what a third party partner is, right?

So, by your logic, Insomniac and Sucker Punch (among others) are robbing 30million potential consumers of the opportunity of playing their games because they don´t go to other platforms.
You do realise that those two companies only make games for Sony platforms and are not 1st party, right?
That´s exactly the same as Valve.
And when a company (Valve) doesn´t make games for Sony or for Nintendo..yes, they are seen as third party partners, in this case, for Microsoft, because they make games for their console games

Sucker Punch and Insomniac are perfect examples of 2nd party studios. They are indepedent but only make games for 1 1st party system. They are not outright owned by Sony but the IPs they develop for are owned by Sony and their projects are funded by Sony. MS does not have that same hold on Valve. MS doesnt own Valve's IPs. If Valve wanted to bring Left for Dead to the PS3, they could. Insomniac however couldnt bring Resistance to the 360. In fact Valve's IPs, have been released on the PS3; they just outsourced the development to a different studio (ex. Orange Box)

 

[Spider-Jay]

I don´t really know what to say after this....
You know what a third party partner is, right?

So, by your logic, Insomniac and Sucker Punch (among others) are robbing 30million potential consumers of the opportunity of playing their games because they don´t go to other platforms.
You do realise that those two companies only make games for Sony platforms and are not 1st party, right?
That´s exactly the same as Valve.
And when a company (Valve) doesn´t make games for Sony or for Nintendo..yes, they are seen as third party partners, in this case, for Microsoft, because they make games for their console games

Nope.

Insomniac's/Sucker Punch's games are on Playstation platforms because Sony owns the IP to those games. They don't own the companies outright, but they do own the software they develop should Sony invest a certain amount of money for their development. Hence, even if Insomniac/SP wanted, games like Ratchet and Infamous cannot be developed for another platform. If they wanted to do entirely new IPs however that's different.

The situation is different with Valve.

MS does not own any of Valve's IPs. Hence any game Valve comes out with can be brought to other platforms should they decide to do so.

As such Valve's upcoming games like LFD2 are coming to the 360 and not the PS3 simply because the company deemed it so, not because Microsoft owns them.

In other words, Valve is just as much a third party partner of Sony or Nintendo just as Kojima Productions was always a third party partner of Microsoft.

Both companies simply made the decision to bring their game on only one console.

In conclusion: There is no such thing as Microsoft's Valve. It is only Valve.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

Sucker Punch and Insomniac are perfect examples of 2nd party studios. They are indepedent but only make games for 1 1st party system. They are not outright owned by Sony but the IPs they develop for are owned by Sony and their projects are funded by Sony. MS does not have that same hold on Valve. MS doesnt own Valve's IPs. If Valve wanted to bring Left for Dead to the PS3, they could. Insomniac however couldnt bring Resistance to the 360. In fact Valve's IPs, have been released on the PS3; they just outsourced the development to a different studio (ex. Orange Box)

You call it 2nd party, i call it 3rd party partners, but it´s the same deal (to tell the truth, i never heard of them being called 2nd party, but that´s cool).
They are the perfect example of it, and yes, MS doesn´t own anything of Valve, but the deal is more or less the same, more even when, i believe (and after Gabe saying that about the PS3) that The Orange Box was the first and last of their games on the PS3.
But even if it isn´t, a 3rd party as no real obligation to only make games for one console alone, look at Level 5 for example, which only makes games for Sony when it comes to home consoles, but as several on the DS, hell, they were even going to make a Xbox game last gen, but it got cancelled (True Fantasy Online).

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

In conclusion: There is no such thing as Microsoft's Valve. It is only Valve.

I never said anything like Microsoft´s Valve...just like there isn´t a Sony´s Insominiac or a Sony´s Sucker Punch.
And yes, MS doesn´t won any Ip from Valve, that was never the point, look at my previous post.
It´s like Bungie....
Microsoft is not a 1st party anymore, but they only do games for MS, sure they are all on the Halo universe, but when they do something else (they will, sooner or later), i bet it will be exclusive just the same.
I see Bungie being to MS what Insomniac is to Sony.

 

[Havok83]

I never said anything like Microsoft´s Valve...just like there isn´t a Sony´s Insominiac or a Sony´s Sucker Punch.
And yes, MS doesn´t won any Ip from Valve, that was never the point, look at my previous post.
It´s like Bungie....
Microsoft is not a 1st party anymore, but they only do games for MS, sure they are all on the Halo universe, but when they do something else (they will, sooner or later), i bet it will be exclusive just the same.
I see Bungie being to MS what Insomniac is to Sony.

And thats a great correlation bc they now have a similar relationship. Bungie would now be a second party developer for MS since MS no longer owns them

 

[Spider-Jay]

I see Bungie being to MS what Insomniac is to Sony.

Now THAT would be a correct and valid comparison!

EDIT: Damn, Havok seems to consistently beat me to the point!

 

[Havok83]

Now THAT would be a correct and valid comparison!

EDIT: Damn, Havok seems to consistently beat me to the point!

lol...we seem to be on the same wavelength

 

[Shaolin Kenobi]

I'm still waiting for the absolute "must have" title that will drag me into a PS3.
God Of War III isn't the one.. though it is attractive.
I've heard rumours (or perhaps wishful thinking) that Star Wars: The Old Republic will be out on the PS3.
I can hold onto a thread of hope that it won't strictly be PC... I would buy a PS3 for it though.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

I'm still waiting for the absolute "must have" title that will drag me into a PS3.
God Of War III isn't the one.. though it is attractive.
I've heard rumours (or perhaps wishful thinking) that Star Wars: The Old Republic will be out on the PS3.
I can hold onto a thread of hope that it won't strictly be PC... I would buy a PS3 for it though.

The last i heard was last year when EA said Star Wars: The Old Republic and Warhammer Online were both being considered for console release, and that is, PS3 and 360.

 

[Spider-Vader]

I'm surprised it took so long for someone big to complain to Sony about their bad prices & the related bad sales (PS2 sold more than PS3 a month or two ago). PS3 is just like the other systems except with Blu-Ray, not worth $600 as an initial price.

No I'm not a fanboy because I had a PS1 & PS2 & have a (dusty) Wii.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

The LivePlaystation blog is saying that Sony will announce a price cut on this year´s TGS, but i can happen sooner because of Activision´s Ultimatum.
That, and the announcement of a PS3 Slim.

http://liveplaystation.webnode.com/news/ps3-price-cut-to-be-announced-at-tokyo-games-show/