Comics Can Spider-Man be saved?

[Themanofbat]

And for the record Herry, just because you and I have had differences of opinion in the past doesn't necessarily mean that I like or approve of what Marvel's been doing with my favorite character these last few years.

We have not seen eye to eye on a few issues, but the one thing we have in common (other than a love for Spidey & your sister ) is that we really aren't approving of the current state of the books. Myself though, being 38 1/2 years of age, is merely waiting for better times to come, because I have enough problems in life than to give myself ulcers over what a few idiots think they can and cannot do to my favorite wall-crawler... hence, my rather laid-back approach to all this nonsense. Because if 31 years of reading comics has taught me anything, it's that there's always something better just around the corner.

I'm glad to see that you've mellowed a bit without losing your passion over the current sad state of affairs. It's one thing to be fiesty and passionate, but to show disrespect towards others is never nice... something I thought you were quick to do in the past.

I hope to see more of the "new" you in the future.

Cheers...

 

[The Venomator]

Id just love to ring up Marvel and ask them what the hell they are doing to Spidey. I mean "If it aint broke then dont fix it" He's had his powers messed with twice now over the last few years and now they are going to "out" his identity in civil war. Why cant they just leave good things alone instead of spoiling them beyond repair?!

I agree, spidey is a marvel legend and he's been messed with too many times over the last couple of years. As have some of the villains in my estimations

 

[Herr Logan]

hahahahahahahahahahahahah.... brilliant.... ...hahahahahahahahaha

How's it going Herry? It's been a while.

I hope that all is well with you, your sister, and your whole family.

And for the record Herry, just because you and I have had differences of opinion in the past doesn't necessarily mean that I like or approve of what Marvel's been doing with my favorite character these last few years.

We have not seen eye to eye on a few issues, but the one thing we have in common (other than a love for Spidey & your sister ) is that we really aren't approving of the current state of the books. Myself though, being 38 1/2 years of age, is merely waiting for better times to come, because I have enough problems in life than to give myself ulcers over what a few idiots think they can and cannot do to my favorite wall-crawler... hence, my rather laid-back approach to all this nonsense. Because if 31 years of reading comics has taught me anything, it's that there's always something better just around the corner.

I'm glad to see that you've mellowed a bit without losing your passion over the current sad state of affairs. It's one thing to be fiesty and passionate, but to show disrespect towards others is never nice... something I thought you were quick to do in the past.

I hope to see more of the "new" you in the future.

Cheers...

I show disrespect to those I see as deserving it. That hasn't changed as a rule; I just don't spend as much time looking for trouble as I used to.

I'd meet you half-way with this thorny-looking olive branch you're holding out, but your own disrespectful behavior in the past has been directed not only toward me but people I care about, and I'm not talking about my family or anyone you haven't heard of. It's one thing to point out when an abrasive and arrogant (see above for rules of conduct regarding arrogance) personality throws hostility around and argue that person on the same playing field (i.e. arguing in public forums), but it's quite another to harrass that person, wish them ill will and make inappropriate comments concerning traits that are irrelevent to your argument. You know who I'm talking about, and some part of you knows I'm right to hold you (as well as all other guilty parties) in contempt for this. I regret that there's no real way to tell whether you've actually changed or not, since I have no reason to believe you stopped that behavior of your own volition. A grudge is like a security blanket, and I keep my blankie with me until someone proves there's no reason for it.

Next time you want to hand me a backhanded compliment, try to refrain from reminding me how petty and dishonorable you can be when you're in a mood to disparage someone (i.e. the family remarks). If I had your capacity for that kind of behavior, I'd likely be making inappropriate comments about your kids, but neither the old Herr Logan nor the "new" Herr Logan has ever treated anyone on the Hype like that. Take a good look at yourself before accusing me or anyone else of being "disrespectful."

 

[Gregatron]

Of course it's a different license. He'd have to have a Class M license for Motorcycle. But he still has a license and he could easily go get it transfered to a different class of a license.

Because I'm sure that the first thing on writers minds are, "Hey, lets do a storyline where Peter gets his drivers license!". I mean...a guy living in New York City, who can websling, using a car? Come on! Insanity! So, maybe one day we'll get that story of Peter getting his drivers license changed from motorcycle...to a car.

And as for having no money and affording a car. You must not know many poor people. They have cars...but really, really, really crappy cars...and usually no insurance and hope the cops don't see the expired tags.

Didn't the Spider-Moblie stories establish that he didn't have a driver's license?

 

[Themanofbat]

I show disrespect to those I see as deserving it. That hasn't changed as a rule; I just don't spend as much time looking for trouble as I used to.

I'd meet you half-way with this thorny-looking olive branch you're holding out, but your own disrespectful behavior in the past has been directed not only toward me but people I care about, and I'm not talking about my family or anyone you haven't heard of. It's one thing to point out when an abrasive and arrogant (see above for rules of conduct regarding arrogance) personality throws hostility around and argue that person on the same playing field (i.e. arguing in public forums), but it's quite another to harrass that person, wish them ill will and make inappropriate comments concerning traits that are irrelevent to your argument. You know who I'm talking about, and some part of you knows I'm right to hold you (as well as all other guilty parties) in contempt for this. I regret that there's no real way to tell whether you've actually changed or not, since I have no reason to believe you stopped that behavior of your own volition. A grudge is like a security blanket, and I keep my blankie with me until someone proves there's no reason for it.

Next time you want to hand me a backhanded compliment, try to refrain from reminding me how petty and dishonorable you can be when you're in a mood to disparage someone (i.e. the family remarks). If I had your capacity for that kind of behavior, I'd likely be making inappropriate comments about your kids, but neither the old Herr Logan nor the "new" Herr Logan has ever treated anyone on the Hype like that. Take a good look at yourself before accusing me or anyone else of being "disrespectful."

A good look in the mirror is always one of the most difficult things a person can do (right up there with a person taking their OWN advice), and I've never pretended to be something that I'm not.

While I have been labelled by many here at this board as being very non-judhemental as well as friendly to others, I'd be the first to admit that I can be downright nasrty and/or disrespectful... specifically when I see someone being that way to either myself and/or to others. Does that justify my behavior? Of course not... do unto others as you want to be done unto you (you know what I mean.. ) But as I said above, I've never pretended to be some type of angel. If I've "attacked" you in the past, there's no doubt that I felt obligated to throw jabs in your direction. That doesn't mean it was right of me, and I'm willing to try and be "nice" and perhaps we can have a decent chat about Spidey, Marvel, or anything else for that matter. I believe that we can have discussion, and even debate, or heck, even argue about something, and at least we can make attempts to be more civil towards one another.

Life's too short to be going off on petty rants towards other posters on meassage boards. Though I'll admit it can be fun to "push someone's buttons" or to "get their goats" (which I know I did to you), but since you've come back a little less "hot-headed", I realized that maybe I was unfair to you and maybe we can give each other "second chances".

Sound cool to you?

 

[Themanofbat]

Didn't the Spider-Moblie stories establish that he didn't have a driver's license?

Heck, I'll go one better....

In Marvel Team-Up #88, released 3 years and 3 months after the last appearance of the Spider-Mobile (in ASM #160), Spidey says to the Invisible Woman that he doesn't know how to drive.

But that issue came out in 1979, so I can't expect Marvel editors to have THAT kind of long-term memory...

 

[Herr Logan]

A good look in the mirror is always one of the most difficult things a person can do (right up there with a person taking their OWN advice), and I've never pretended to be something that I'm not.

While I have been labelled by many here at this board as being very non-judhemental as well as friendly to others, I'd be the first to admit that I can be downright nasrty and/or disrespectful... specifically when I see someone being that way to either myself and/or to others. Does that justify my behavior? Of course not... do unto others as you want to be done unto you (you know what I mean.. ) But as I said above, I've never pretended to be some type of angel. If I've "attacked" you in the past, there's no doubt that I felt obligated to throw jabs in your direction. That doesn't mean it was right of me, and I'm willing to try and be "nice" and perhaps we can have a decent chat about Spidey, Marvel, or anything else for that matter. I believe that we can have discussion, and even debate, or heck, even argue about something, and at least we can make attempts to be more civil towards one another.

Life's too short to be going off on petty rants towards other posters on meassage boards. Though I'll admit it can be fun to "push someone's buttons" or to "get their goats" (which I know I did to you), but since you've come back a little less "hot-headed", I realized that maybe I was unfair to you and maybe we can give each other "second chances".

Sound cool to you?

Sounds cool to me, provided I don't see any further evidence of you participating in derision toward that other Hype member to which I referred.

A tenuous peace begins.

 

[Gregatron]

Heck, I'll go one better....

In Marvel Team-Up #88, released 3 years and 3 months after the last appearance of the Spider-Mobile (in ASM #160), Spidey says to the Invisible Woman that he doesn't know how to drive.

But that issue came out in 1979, so I can't expect Marvel editors to have THAT kind of long-term memory...

Well, the original Spider-Mobile story established quite well that he didn't know how to drive (the Human Torch had to take the wheel and give him lessons before he killed someone!).

 

[Themanofbat]

Sounds cool to me, provided I don't see any further evidence of you participating in derision toward that other Hype member to which I referred.

A tenuous peace begins.

I hate to sound like an ass, but I really have no idea of who you're referring to.

Perhaps a PM is in order.

 

[giggs11uk]

he's Tony Starks b!tch it dosn't get worse then that. Maybe a fight with iron man and spidey seriously kicking his a$$ will work. I want tony in a como caused by the spidey suit he made. Only if marvel had the balls

 

[James"007"Bond]

He's in trouble? I'm loving the Spidey books right now. How quickly you people forget the Byrne/Mackie years.

Those years are looking rather good right now, when considering all the crap we're getting. The only spidey books I'm reading these days are ultimate and spectacular.

 

[shinlyle]

Being arrogant is just fine and dandy, as long as you're right.

Amen, brother...amen.

 

[Cullen]

Being arrogant is just fine and dandy, as long as you're right.

And being insolent is super keen, especially when you're right!

 

[Herr Logan]

And being insolent is super keen, especially when you're right!

Do I need to have a light-up sign that says "Don't Speak" to keep you in line? Maybe a remote controlled collar that shocks you when you're bad?

 

[dan1]

ya' hear the news? JoeQ and JMS want to 'save' Spider-Man now.

**cking pathetic.

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

With th' latest news, I'd hafta vote an emphatic no. Stick a fork in him and just cancel th' damn book. It's over.

 

[OtepApe]

I have always said Spider-man is never done, he can always come back. Marvel are making it really, really hard for me to keep that opinion. Honestly, Spider-man won't be saved until either Quesada or JMS is away from it.

They don't know how to 'save' the character anymore. They don't know who the character is anymore.

I have seen loads of character go through bad times, only to be rejuvinated and become awesome once again. I always thought that would be the eventuality with Spider-man. I still stick to that, but I say it with a nervousness in my voice.

 

[shinlyle]

ya' hear the news? JoeQ and JMS want to 'save' Spider-Man now.

**cking pathetic.

They don't know their asses from a hole in the ground.

Spider-Man can be saved, but it's JMS and Joey Q. from whom is needs to be rescued.

 

[roach]

Spiderman can be saved and it will only come from someone who loves the character and not someone who is there to increase sales. I've defended JMS in the past but the Iron Spidey costume has gotten me to drop the Spidey books.
1) Stop the gimicks. There is no need for costume changes, Spider gods or internet splintering ideas. Leave the character alone.
2) Let Gwen rest in peace. Why would MJ still be with a guy that is obsessed with his ex-girlfriend
3) Make his villains a threat again. Why would Electro faint because of Luke Cage?????? Make Spidey struggle with his foes.
4)Make Peter a real man with real problems again. Married life presents a whole new dimension of problems. How do you handle a wife who wants a baby and you dont want to because of the radioactive spiderbite?????
5) remember what it is that you love about Spiderman and write that...I call it writing a love letter to the character...other love letters are: Claremont's first run on Uncanny, Waid on FF, Miller on DD, Busiek on Avengers...these are also refered to as definitive runs.

 

[shinlyle]

Didn't the Spider-Moblie stories establish that he didn't have a driver's license?

Yes....quite conclusively,too.

Looks like SiaT actually proved himself wrong.

 

[deemar325]

I think Spidey can be saved.

Heres the thing he's will not be saved under Joey Q's care.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Didn't the Spider-Moblie stories establish that he didn't have a driver's license?

Then Pete was illegally driving his motorcycle for all those years. Figured you'd need a license for those bad boys too.

In the latest issue of New Avengers Bendis beats it home that he doesn't have a license. So, I guess no one can make their minds up.

I'll just go with that Pete had a license for a short amount of time for his motorcycle. Otherwise, Pete was being a bad boy.

 

[Cullen]

Then Pete was illegally driving his motorcycle for all those years. Figured you'd need a license for those bad boys too.

In the latest issue of New Avengers Bendis beats it home that he doesn't have a license. So, I guess no one can make their minds up.

I'll just go with that Pete had a license for a short amount of time for his motorcycle. Otherwise, Pete was being a bad boy.

As I recall it, motocycle license and car licenses aren't the same thing.

 

[SpideyInATree]

As I recall it, motocycle license and car licenses aren't the same thing.

I know that. But its still a license...is it not?

 

[Norman Osborn]

I know that. But its still a license...is it not?

Yes they are.....but you don't need one to have the other....they are in no way related (Other then they both allow you to drive a motorized vehicle), they're not even in the same class of license......it's like assuming spidey is illegally fishing because he doesn't have a Car license......a fishing license is still a license is it not?

Plus if someone told me they didn't have a license, I'm sure myself and the vast majority of the population would assume he can't drive a car and would not bat an eye if they saw him on the road in a motorbike!