Can you prvoe them wrong about the Hulk?

[Symbiote Hulk]

Can you explain how the Hulk had Incredible strenght or even prove that the Hulk could do all of those incredible things? (Scientifically)

Rules, you cannot use the following things as an explanation foe the Hulk's incredible features:
-Magic
-Changes in physics (Gravity etc)
-Physics are different in the Marvel universe then ours.
-Because Stan Lee said so
-Because the directors/ producers said so

http://intuitor.com/moviephysics/hulk.html

There's hardly a nerd who wouldn't like, at least once, to morph into a huge green guy and panic his tormentors. So, how is it that Hollywood can take this delicious daydream and puree it into pure broccoli juice? Let's start with a simple principle that Hollywood has failed to grasp. Bigger is not always better.

Consider the scene where the evil father genetically engineers a group of dogs into vicious behemoths and sets them on the scent of a victim to assassinate. Ironically, one of the dogs appears to be an American pit bull terrier (hence forth referred to as a pit bull). Even cat lovers will recognize this as one tough puppy. Why is this ironic? Making the dog larger would most likely make it a less effective assassin.

According to pit bull lore, they have been matched against virtually every other dog breed not to mention lions, tigers, and bears. More often than not the pit bull wins. Yes, this has a lot to do with the breed's strength and stamina but it's also because, at around 60 pounds, pit bulls are exactly the right size.

Dog breeders have produced huge fighting dogs such as the Japanese Tosa Inu which can reach 200 lbs but it typically doesn't make them better fighters than the pit bull. If a dog is scaled up, its strength will increase with the square of the scale up factor while its mass will increase with the cube of the scale up factor. For example double the size of the dog and its strength will increase by a factor of 4 but its weight will increase by a factor of 8. At some point the sheer mass of the dog will begin to limit its stamina as well as its ability to move quickly.

The best way to convert a pit bull into an assassin's tool would be to make it super smart rather than super large. A truly intelligent dog would not have to rely on the vagaries of following a scent. It could read maps, plan its attack for the best possible situation, sneak up, and quietly dispatch its victim with a quick bite to the throat. The dog already has all the jaw strength, agility, and jumping ability required to do so.

If anything, converting a pit bull into a snarling slobbering monster and sending it out with two other similar beasts would have made it a less effective assassin. How are a group of vicious dogs the size of cars going to detect and follow the scent of a person driving dozens of miles, let alone do so without alerting the community, police, and national news media. Keep in mind that the targeted victim probably drove home, filled up with gas, and stopped at the supermarket before eventually ending up at a remote cabin in the woods.

As depicted in the movie, morphing also had serious problems. For one, it disobeyed the first law of thermodynamics. This is the most firmly established principle in all of physics and says that one cannot create mass out of nothing. No amount of mumbo jumbo about sea cucumbers and star fish can compensate for this shortcoming. If the Hulk is going to bulk up in a few seconds he's going to have to either acquire more mass, lower his density or some combination of the two. Unfortunately, gulping air is about the only choice for gaining mass and this will almost certainly lower density in the process.

By inhaling and standing in a more upright posture, a creature could appear perhaps 25% larger. A good snort of adrenalin or some other drug could conceivably increase short term strength by a factor of ten. An increase beyond this would probably cause injuries such as broken bones or torn tendons and ligaments. Combining these transformations with a color change along with growling and snarling would create a very imposing presence.

By contrast the movie has a scene in which the Hulk holds his love interest King-Kong-like in his fist. The Hulk would have to be at least ten times taller than his normal self to do so. If scaled up proportionally, the Hulk would be 1000 times more massive than his human form, but it gets worse. The comic book makers correctly gave the Hulk thicker legs and a more stout body. We say correctly because, like an elephant, he would need the thicker legs to support his increased mass. Unfortunately, increased stoutness means even more mass. The movie hulk would probably end up with at least 1500 times more mass than his human counterpart and a weight in excess of 100 tons ( 91,000 kg, assuming no density difference between hulk and human forms). Where is this mass supposed to come from?

The increase in strength with morphing is likewise ridiculous. At one point the Hulk overturns a 65 ton Abrams battle tank. This alone would require an increase in strength from human form of about a factor of 650. However, the Hulk then grabs the barrel of an Abrams tank, spins around and throws the entire tank several hundred meters. Compare this to the Olympic hammer throw which propels a 7. 257 kg ball a distance of around 80 meters. The tank is over 8000 times more massive and is thrown at least 10 times further. This suggests that the Hulk is at least 100,000 times stronger than his human form.
In order to spin and throw a tank, the Hulk would also have to be far more massive than the tank because he would have to create a huge centripetal force on the tank to make it travel in a circular path while being spun. Newton's third law tells us that forces always come in pairs which are equal in magnitude and opposite in direction. While it's being spun, the tank will create a force acting on the Hulk which is just as large as the centripetal force acting on the tank. The force would immediately pull the Hulk off-balance unless he's significantly more massive than the tank.

An Olympic hammer thrower, for example, is around 15 times more massive than the hammer. Using this conservative figure (since the tank is hurled much further than the hammer), the Hulk would have to weigh at least 975 tons (8.86 thousand kg) in order to throw the tank. However, the Hulk's volume seemed, if anything, no larger than the tank he threw. Density = mass / volume and so the Hulk's density would have to be at least 15 times more dense than the tank's density. If only 10 % of the tank's volume were steel, the Hulk's density would be 1.5 times higher than solid steel!

Since the Hulk has less area under his feet than the tank's tracks, the pressure his feet exert on the ground would probably be at least 100 times higher than the tank. He would sink when walking on soft ground or sand. When he jumped in the air the pressure exerted on the ground would increase dramatically. Hence, the Hulk would be breaking pavement under his feet not just on the landing from an incredible leap but also on the take-off.

The Hulk's ability to make these huge leaps is itself absurd. Yes, increased size typically does imply increased strength but as mentioned earlier, weight increases faster than strength. If increasing size also increased jumping ability then elephants would be able to out-leap impalas. The only solution would be for the Hulk's muscle to become, pound for pound, several orders of magnitude stronger than human muscles. There's no biological creature on Earth which has muscle even close to this level of strength.
In one scene the Hulk leaps up and grabs hold of a fighter aircraft. The Aircraft immediately heads for the stratosphere and shakes off the Hulk by causing him to pass out from lack of oxygen. Keep in mind that a fully loaded jet fighter weighs only about 15 tons. Even if we ignore the drag and other aerodynamic effects of having the hulk attached, we still have to wonder how a 15 ton aircraft can lift a 975 ton Hulk.

Yes, the Hulk is based on a comic book and so we expect bad physics. However, the bad physics in this movie are excessive even by comic book standards. We didn't go to the movie to see a raging monster trash San Francisco. We went to see the fantasy of a likeable nerdy guy reluctantly turn into an 8 foot high science project and educate the mindless, heartless cool guys who had ignorantly messed with him. What we got was a cross between King Kong and Godzilla. Not only did the moviemakers give us wrong physics, they gave us the wrong movie.

Note: Yes, we have been influenced by the TV version of the Hulk. Since he is a comic book character who knows what his "real" size is. The Hulk Library lists it as 7 feet for the green Hulk.

I'm really bad in physics and sciences so maybe (Hopefully) you guys could help

 

[La_She-Beast]

Well... this might not help, but anyways; long time ago I read in the Hulk movie official website that a boy saved a man drowning (don't know if he was his father). The man was too big for him, but seems the boy gained that strength to swim with him by his emotions, what he felt with his father. I know it sounds fake, but that appeared in the web, can't remember where, so it might be true...

 

[Symbiote Hulk]

Sort of........

 

[November Rain]

to be fair, anyone that makes a post that long isn't looking to have their opinion changed, anything said would lead to further long posts.

ya can't convert those who don't want to be by portraying correct science.

 

[Mad Bull]

Lol, my goodness. I don't imagine the author of that article is much of a comic fan. Lol, the whole time I was reading I thought "But he's the HULK!"

 

[Spade]

Can you explain how the Hulk had Incredible strenght or even prove that the Hulk could do all of those incredible things? (Scientifically)

Rules, you cannot use the following things as an explanation foe the Hulk's incredible features:
-Magic
-Changes in physics (Gravity etc)
-Physics are different in the Marvel universe then ours.
-Because Stan Lee said so
-Because the directors/ producers said so

http://intuitor.com/moviephysics/hulk.html


I'm really bad in physics and sciences so maybe (Hopefully) you guys could help

I have read the topic on movie physics, and can come to a conclusion that the first part is valid. The dogs are a complete loophole. But the article itself has a loophole that is rather large. An example: the article says the Hulk should not have had the power to do what he did. I disagree with that at all counts. It cites that for a creature to lift a 65-ton tank as the Hulk did it would require a strength factor 650 times that of a human. Since I presume this is an American article I'll use short tons as a guideline and presume the writer considers 1 ton to equal 2,000 pounds. Now, times the amount of the tank by the amount of 1 ton. The equation reveals that, converted to pounds, the tank is roughly 130,000 pounds. Now, the article says that any creature capable of moving it as he did would have to be 650 times the strength factor of an average human being. Take the amount of pounds the item has and divide it by the strength factor a creature would need and you roughly get the range the article claims a human being at peak physical condition could lift or handle under what I suppose is normal conditions- 200 pounds. The article then comes to the conclusion that the Hulk would have to be 100,000 times stronger than the strength factor of a human to necessitate the response we see on the screen. Times the strength factor we just calculated given the amount of power the article places a human being to be capable of by the amount said human would have to be capable of and you get the creature's power in pounds- 20 million pounds. Then, take the pound remnant and divide it by the short ton equivalent of 1 ton (2000 pounds). What we get is a logical product, 10,000 tons. The article then says this is impossible, to which I say 'hogwash'- the Hulk is fuming when he tosses the tank yet not yet at the 15 feet height where his power output is shown to be even stronger than before, and every medium says the madder he gets the stronger he gets. The article says that this is hogwash because of the amount of mass he would need, which it claims defies the principles of science. What it ignores is the fact that in the movie the Hulk's mass derives from the fact that the nanites are replicating all of his healthy cells to essentially create a being that is capable of handling Bruce's anger. The growth spurts are explained by the fact that anger triggers the gamma-empowered nanites to replicate his cells even further. While it doesn't hold water in real life this explanation unravels the issue of where his body gets the mass- it doesn't come from nowhere, as the nanites are simply forcing all his cells to regenerate in response to a kind of 'pain' it is not completely able to understand. As such, it would also explain how each of his muscles is so strong since the mass issue is now plausible. While it doesn't explain how the Hulk could be capable of being lifted into space by a vehicle that should have broken under his sheer mass, the explanation clears up that portion of the gripe.

In all honesty, the flaw of this article is that it takes an approach that makes no real sense. With the same disbelieving eye one takes to the entire issue of possibility the movie itself becomes impossible...as it should be. This is not a film so serious that it spends most of it's time calculating everything within itself for a supposed Sense Factor. Another example: right now you are being bombarded by gamma rays. As I type this message everything around me is being bombarded by trace cosmic rays. Space brings these rays to Earth. The reason they do not harm us is because it is not increased to a level of instability. X-rays bombard everything, but you don't see everything as you would an X-ray because that specific radiological entity is not intensified enough to produce what we usually infer to be X-ray radiation. In that same regards, no intensified burst of gamma radiation will turn you into the Hulk. The movie takes this into account and makes the gamma rays the catalyst that make the nanomeds opperate. The film tries to be sensible. Take everything with a grain of salt.

 

[Symbiote Hulk]

ChibiKiriyama, THAT'S AN AWESOME POST!!!!

 

[HellOnEarth]

Ugh.

Math.