Candyman remake

[TheVileOne]

Looks like Sneider was wrong. To be fair, ViewerAnon says the movie struggled during the test screening phase.

That's why such things can't always be trusted. Focus groups and test audiences are not always reliable.

 

[samsnee]

The point of test audiences is to get enough of a read to change what you can to make it work better.

 

[DarkKnight88]

Sometimes it’s just the wrong audience.

Robert Zemeckis once related to a test audience screening for Who Framed Roger Rabbit filled with teenagers that went horrendous. Spielberg told him to ignore their comments and not to change a thing lol

Moral? Know first who’s giving the notes if they’re the right audience in the first place or not.

 

[CaptainWagner]

The point of test audiences is to get enough of a read to change what you can to make it work better.

Ideally, yeah. but as DarkKnight88 said, all too often the suits will shove a movie in front of the wrong audience and then force changes to pander to the lowest common denominator. I get why they're helpful, but I definitely feel like more movies have been messed up by test audiences than have been helped by them.

That said, did they do extensive reshoots on this? Because if not, I'd say this is another Roger Rabbit situation. (Assuming the reports of bad screenings are true at all.)

 

[TheVileOne]

The point of test audiences is to get enough of a read to change what you can to make it work better.

Or ultimately make it worse and gut a film.

 

[Slick]

Got out of my screening an hour ago and I love this film. The ending gave me chills.

 

[Kane52630]

At the Movies with Kane and BN
4/5

 

[samsnee]

Or ultimately make it worse and gut a film.

Well yeah it’s not a science

 

[Pennywise]

 

[Dr. Evil]

So it's going to make back it's entire production budget in two weeks.....that's cool.

 

[TheVileOne]

Well yeah it’s not a science

Which once again shows why it's not readily reliable. And certain studios have dropped audience test screenings entirely.


What does Jeff Sneider have to say now?

 

[Dr. Evil]

Which once again shows why it's not readily reliable. And certain studios have dropped audience test screenings entirely.



What does Jeff Sneider have to say now?

Maybe Sneider thought it was too woke? Wouldn't surprise me. Whenever he was on Collider Movie Talk, I turned it off and to be honest, Movie Talk wasn't the same when Christian Harloff and Mark Ellis left and Jon Schnepp died, despite the fact that I like Perri Nemiroff.

 

[Stringer]

But I thought it was being "dumped" in August?

 

[TheVileOne]

But I thought it was being "dumped" in August?

To me the only real dumping ground months for movies are September and January, and even then there tend to be many exceptions.

 

[DarkKnight88]

Such a smart time to release now (and theatrical only) cause it’s making some good money theatrically that by the time it’s released on VOD/bluray, it’ll be October when people are primed for horror stuff thanks to Halloween. Double revenue and keeps WOM alive longer.

 

[TheVileOne]

Such a smart time to release now (and theatrical only) cause it’s making some good money theatrically that by the time it’s released on VOD/bluray, it’ll be October when people are primed for horror stuff thanks to Halloween. Double revenue and keeps WOM alive longer.

Which you wouldn't have with a day and date release.

 

[TheVileOne]

Maybe Sneider thought it was too woke? Wouldn't surprise me. Whenever he was on Collider Movie Talk, I turned it off and to be honest, Movie Talk wasn't the same when Christian Harloff and Mark Ellis left and Jon Schnepp died, despite the fact that I like Perri Nemiroff.

That's a bit surprising if Sneider feels that way. But yeah, I definitely stopped tuning into movie talk after Harloff and Ellis left.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Got my matinee ticket for tomorrow afternoon. Scared and excited all at once. Lol.

 

[weezerspider]

That's why such things can't always be trusted. Focus groups and test audiences are not always reliable.

The film that still holds the record for worst rating in test screenings is Goodfellas. Test Screenings are almost always bull****. The selection of random audience members may sound smart on paper, but it’s actually rather stupid. The audience has no idea what they are about to watch, so normally a good 35% of the audience are people who wouldn’t even watch the movie in normal circumstances. Horror films are often hurt the most by this because there are a lot of people who just don’t like horror. I worked a test screening for The Conjuring that was overwhelmingly negative, but then we asked everyone who likes horror films and literally two people raised their hands lol.


I liked this quite a bit. Not particularly scary, but the mythology was creepy and cool. The puppet shadows were awesome and a very cool way to depict previous events. I also like how it’s

Spoiler

a sequel, not a reboot

 

[TheVileOne]

The film that still holds the record for worst rating in test screenings is Goodfellas. Test Screenings are almost always bull****. The selection of random audience members may sound smart on paper, but it’s actually rather stupid. The audience has no idea what they are about to watch, so normally a good 35% of the audience are people who wouldn’t even watch the movie in normal circumstances. Horror films are often hurt the most by this because there are a lot of people who just don’t like horror. I worked a test screening for The Conjuring that was overwhelmingly negative, but then we asked everyone who likes horror films and literally two people raised their hands lol.

Sounds a lot like political polling and manipulating the polls or sampling to get the results you want.

 

[weezerspider]

Sounds a lot like political polling and manipulating the polls or sampling to get the results you want.

Yeah, exactly. There is a great story about how Boogie Nights wasn’t testing well, so the studio made their own cut against PTA’s wishes to see if it tested better. So PTA went and got in line at the test screening and just walked up and down the line gossiping about how bad the movie they were about to watch was. He told people that it was considered the worst screenplay most people had ever read. So of course the test screening bombed, PTA got to release his cut and that screenplay was nominated for an Oscar. Haha

 

[TheVileOne]

Yeah, exactly. There is a great story about how Boogie Nights wasn’t testing well, so the studio made their own cut against PTA’s wishes to see if it tested better. So PTA went and got in line at the test screening and just walked up and down the line gossiping about how bad the movie they were about to watch was. He told people that it was considered the worst screenplay most people had ever read. So of course the test screening bombed, PTA got to release his cut and that screenplay was nominated for an Oscar. Haha

Especially for a movie like that, you need to let the filmmaker trust their instinct and pass or fail on that merit. A movie like Boogie Nights is driven by a visionary like Paul Thomas Anderson. You really can't rely on an audience that might not even be in the mood for a such a film which is more like an arthouse prestige type of picture.

 

[weezerspider]

Especially for a movie like that, you need to let the filmmaker trust their instinct and pass or fail on that merit. A movie like Boogie Nights is driven by a visionary like Paul Thomas Anderson. You really can't rely on an audience that might not even be in the mood for a such a film which is more like an arthouse prestige type of picture.

Yeah, plus the subject matter is going to get an automatic zero from some people. Which brings us back to Candyman. Violence can get automatic zeros from people. Political commentary certainly can, too.

 

[antsman41]

This was so damn amazing.

Those opening credits, the comedy, the acting, the tie-backs to the og film… let alone the ending and those final credits (which could be a short film on their own).

The vibes, the art direction, kills, and the aspect of Chicago were so on point and exceeded my crazy expectations since that first trailer dropped so very long ago.

 

[Kane52630]

This was so damn amazing.

Those opening credits, the comedy, the acting, the tie-backs to the og film… let alone the ending and those final credits (which could be a short film on their own).

The vibes, the art direction, kills, and the aspect of Chicago were so on point and exceeded my crazy expectations since that first trailer dropped so very long ago.

Spoiler

That slow pan out kill with the critic has been stuck in my head since Friday.