The Dark Knight Capes and Cowls - New Batsuit Discussion Thread

[batman11]

The issue is that the neck, even smaller mouth, and possibly the shape of the head sometimes create illusions to the contrary.

I completely agree with this statement. Most of the time, the complaints about "teh egghead" are all due to an illusion, as you said, created by the small neck.

For example, in the interrogation room scene from the TV spot, his head isn't huge, it's his skinny neck that makes it look so big. If the neck were thick like the Begins neck, there would be no argument over the size of his head.

It's all an illusion.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

^ Totally agreed the illusion is the thing bothering most about the neck and the cowl.

 

[Crook]

Is that what I said? What I said was that he didn't look that way in the picture you posted, the implication being that the nose doesn't cause any such effect.

Ok, so it is what you said because you disagreed with my statement.

That said, the cowl size isn't the issue. It's not too big for his head. It's probably smaller than the Begins cowl, overall. The issue is that the neck, even smaller mouth, and possibly the shape of the head sometimes create illusions to the contrary.

Hence why I said it looks like it's too big for the head. Not that it actually is. I don't know for sure.

 

[Saint]

Ok, so it is what you said because you disagreed with my statement.

No, it isn't what I said. That I disagreed with your notion that the nose makes the head look big doesn't transform my statement from "It doesn't look big into that picture" into "It never looks big." I select the words in my posts for a reason. I said exactly what I meant: it doesn't look the way you described in the picture you posted.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

and here.....we.....GO! lol

 

[BatmanFanatic]

Looking at the Empire magazine photos, Batmans nose looks absolutely ludicrous in one of them.... What were they thinking?! =(

 

[batman11]

Looking at the Empire magazine photos, Batmans nose looks absolutely ludicrous in one of them.... What were they thinking?! =(

That we may never get a shot of his face like that in the film so it doesn't matter?

Honestly though, it does look quite big in the picture, but in my opinion, it's just the angle that makes it look so strange.

 

[Saint]

That we may never get a shot of his face like that in the film so it doesn't matter?

How does that make it not matter? Putting out an ugly picture is counter-productive whether it appears that way in the film or not. It still make people think batman looks stupid.

 

[Crook]

No, it isn't what I said. That I disagreed with your notion that the nose makes the head look big doesn't transform my statement from "It doesn't look big into that picture" into "It never looks big." I select the words in my posts for a reason. I said exactly what I meant: it doesn't look the way you described in the picture you posted.

The picture is one of the more used shots to exemplify the cowl's problems. I can't imagine if you have no big problem with it there, that you would with the other shots. For example, you can see the same flaws in the scene with Bats' "...then you're gonna love me" line.

All the good cowl images look the same, as with the bad.

 

[batman11]

How does that make it not matter? Putting out an ugly picture is counter-productive whether it appears that way in the film or not. It still make people think batman looks stupid.

Sorry, I should have been more clear.

It does not matter to the movie experience (at least in my opinion anyways). If we never see a shot of his nose like this in the movie, then it should have no effect on the film itself. People aren't gonna see the movie, think Batman looks bada** because it is shot at the right angles, but then go back and look at the Empire cover and say, "Wow Batman's mask really sucked!" At least I don't think they will, lol They're gonna focus how it looked in the movie, which is after all where the mask was meant to be shown.

Same thing with a crappy deleted scene. Because the scene is never shown in the movie, then it doesn't matter to the actual, theatrical release of the film if it existed or not. This is probably not the best analogy though, lol. t:

 

[Saint]

The picture is one of the more used shots to exemplify the cowl's problems.

Which I think is a mistake. The cowl looks fine in that shot, except for the usual big forehead thing that's evident in both cowls.

I can't imagine if you have no big problem with it there, that you would with the other shots.

And yet, that is the case. I should clarify, though, that I have fewer problems with the cowl than most--I think it looks fine in most shots. In shots where there's a problem, it's either the head shape or the neck--and I think the head-shape would be far less noticeable if the neck was just a little thicker.

For example, you can see the same flaws in the scene with Bats' "...then you're gonna love me" line.

Not really. The only issue with that shot (and it's not a huge one) is the shape of the sides of the cowl--a problem not evident in the picture you posted.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

And it gets deeper!

 

[-Arya-]

And it gets deeper!

Indeed it does.

I always wonder if Saint is an attorney. He's very careful with his choice of words, very articulate when he speaks and can always find at least one flaw in someone's post. Unbeleivable

 

[BatmanFanatic]

How does that make it not matter? Putting out an ugly picture is counter-productive whether it appears that way in the film or not. It still make people think batman looks stupid.

Yah, sadly.

And I didn't even think the nose was a problem with the cowl until I saw that close up photo. What I think is far worse is the skinny neck because it makes him look like a lightbulb, and is totally different than all the classic Batman siluettes we've had in the past. BTAS, comic books, B89, BR.... he never ever had a skinny neck. A big neck makes him look stronger and tougher and scarier. A skinny neck only emphasizes that Bale is not in the right kind of shape to believably be "the most bad-ass of superheros."

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Indeed it does.

I always wonder if Saint is an attorney. He's very careful with his choice of words, very articulate when he speaks and can always find at least one flaw in someone's post. Unbeleivable

Regardless of the disagreements we've had, he does know his stuff, which is very rare on the Hype these days.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Yah, sadly.

And I didn't even think the nose was a problem with the cowl until I saw that close up photo. What I think is far worse is the skinny neck because it makes him look like a lightbulb, and is totally different than all the classic Batman siluettes we've had in the past. BTAS, comic books, B89, BR.... he never ever had a skinny neck. A big neck makes him look stronger and tougher and scarier. A skinny neck only emphasizes that Bale is not in the right kind of shape to believably be "the most bad-ass of superheros."

Dude lets wait until the film to debate wether he is "badass" enough to take out his adversaries, size isnt everything especially when it comes to the suit. Actually size isnt much compared to being an agile, mobile trained martial artist ( Ever watch UFC anyone? lol) plus he has lots of gadgets at hand to help him and plenty of protection.

 

[BatmanFanatic]

Dude lets wait until the film to debate wether he is "badass" enough to take out his adversaries, size isnt everything especially when it comes to the suit. Actually size isnt much compared to being an agile, mobile trained martial artist ( Ever watch UFC anyone? lol) plus he has lots of gadgets at hand to help him and plenty of protection.

Um, he doesn't remotely look like the guys on UFC. Plus he was all beefed up for ninja school in the first one, now he looks like he has in every single other film (aside from the films where he had to starve himself.) He's less toned than he was in American Psycho, which only makes me think he's slacking off, that he's not as dedicated to the roles as he was in the beginning of his career, when no one knew who he was and he had to fight for parts.

Now it's as if Nolan said "don't worry, no shirtless scenes in this one!" and he just decided not to hit the gym AT ALL.

And saying size isn't everything and he has gadgets and all that is nice, but it's not really true to the character is it? Because Batman was always beefed up in the comics and in BTAS, Batman the character has an obsession with training and exercise - so I'm just saying, if you care about the part and being true to the character, you should put on the muscle. Thats MHO.

 

[batman_1982]

Deffinately not a good pic to market one of the biggest films of the summer. The joker one looks good, but this batman image was the wrong one to use. Not sure how these layouts work, whether it's WB not giving them good enough resources to do a cool front page, or whether it's Empire's photographers not trying hard enough. Just don't know why they settled on this shot for a front cover. I found this look of the batman suit on the Reese's site and thought it looked pretty good. Overall you do still see the small neck, but looking at it back from a distance even head on it does look pretty B.A.

http://www.hersheys.com/reeses/darkknight/

 

[DJ Kornphlake]

He's less toned than he was in American Psycho, which only makes me think he's slacking off, that he's not as dedicated to the roles as he was in the beginning of his career, when no one knew who he was and he had to fight for parts.

Bale stated he had no intention looking like he did in AP for his role as Batman. He dismissed it as being "vanity muscles", and not about real strength.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Um, he doesn't remotely look like the guys on UFC. Plus he was all beefed up for ninja school in the first one, now he looks like he has in every single other film (aside from the films where he had to starve himself.) He's less toned than he was in American Psycho, which only makes me think he's slacking off, that he's not as dedicated to the roles as he was in the beginning of his career, when no one knew who he was and he had to fight for parts.

Now it's as if Nolan said "don't worry, no shirtless scenes in this one!" and he just decided not to hit the gym AT ALL.

And saying size isn't everything and he has gadgets and all that is nice, but it's not really true to the character is it? Because Batman was always beefed up in the comics and in BTAS, Batman the character has an obsession with training and exercise - so I'm just saying, if you care about the part and being true to the character, you should put on the muscle. Thats MHO.

Ok the batman im seeing in TDK is the Neal Adams batman which was not "beefed up" he was a sleek, agile martial artist, a toned muscular guy, but NOT A BODYBUILDER. How long have you been posting on these threads? The reason he was so big in BB cause he took Nolans advice LITERALLY and got as big as he could, so even before they filmed he had to get smaller, which is why he was so big, almost too big for the suit even after, plus dont you think the hell Bale has put his body through is getting to a point where it cant take it anymore? It has nothing to do with being dedicated, if Bale wasnt dedidcated to Batman he wouldnt of come back for a second film or put as much effort into the character as he already has. Also Bale isnt as big as a UFC fighter because he doesnt train 24/7 everyday/every week to be a better more tough fighter, he has trained for roles he plays in films, theres a HUGE difference between the two, looks and actually being strong and tough are two different things.

 

[nickyg641]

I love the "It's just the angle" argument. It's applied even when we see the suit in motion in footage. When it looks bad from that many angles, then, chances are, it's going to look bad in the film, too.

What's the point of designing a suit that only looks good from a few angles?

And, yes, there is quite a noticeable difference in the noses.

Begins: http://www.batmanunmasked.com/displayimage.php?album=5&pos=93

TDK: http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e347/david1983/BatmanCover.jpg

 

[joke]

Except vanity muscles are pretty damn important for a Batman movie. I personally prefer a Batman who looks huge and menacing, like a mountain compared to random thugs and then surrender an ounce of my disbelief by still accepting him as an agile martial artist. Just like I accepted the Tumbler driving over house rooftops.

 

[capt. slaughter]

Ok the batman im seeing in TDK is the Neal Adams batman which was not "beefed up" he was a sleek, agile martial artist, a toned muscular guy, but NOT A BODYBUILDER. How long have you been posting on these threads? The reason he was so big in BB cause he took Nolans advice LITERALLY and got as big as he could, so even before they filmed he had to get smaller, which is why he was so big, almost too big for the suit even after, plus dont you think the hell Bale has put his body through is getting to a point where it cant take it anymore? It has nothing to do with being dedicated, if Bale wasnt dedidcated to Batman he wouldnt of come back for a second film or put as much effort into the character as he already has. Also Bale isnt as big as a UFC fighter because he doesnt train 24/7 everyday/every week to be a better more tough fighter, he has trained for roles he plays in films, theres a HUGE difference between the two, looks and actually being strong and tough are two different things.

i definetly agree with you, what is with people wanting a buff bruce wayne/batman. the way he looks in tdk is perfect he looks to be great shape.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

i definetly agree with you, what is with people wanting a buff bruce wayne/batman. the way he looks in tdk is perfect he looks to be great shape.

Exactly, he is in good shape, its not like hes a scrawny wuss, or a big fatty. Hes a normal sized 6 foot tall man with a good build and toned very well from what we can see in the leaked pic of him and alfred. I dont care if hes "HUGE" I just want him to be able to perform well, and he DOES look the part of Bruce Wayne and Batman perfectly in my opinion. Heres the difference in BB he was the Jim Lee Batman thick and more muscular, and in TDK he is the sleek, agile, toned martial artist Neal Adams Batman.

 

[DJ Kornphlake]

Except vanity muscles are pretty damn important for a Batman movie. I personally prefer a Batman who looks huge and menacing, like a mountain compared to random thugs and then surrender an ounce of my disbelief by still accepting him as an agile martial artist. Just like I accepted the Tumbler driving over house rooftops.

He wasn't huge in AP, though. And either way, his muscle tone isn't going to show through the suit, so why does it matter?