The Dark Knight Capes and Cowls - New Batsuit Discussion Thread

[Saint]

I love the "It's just the angle" argument. It's applied even when we see the suit in motion in footage. When it looks bad from that many angles, then, chances are, it's going to look bad in the film, too.

What's the point of designing a suit that only looks good from a few angles?

And, yes, there is quite a noticeable difference in the noses.

Begins: http://www.batmanunmasked.com/displayimage.php?album=5&pos=93

TDK: http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e347/david1983/BatmanCover.jpg

You could just as easily compare it to this an say they're identical, except for the length (you have to ignore the weird shadow, of course.

The cover is an anomaly; in every other shot it looks just like a longer version of the Begins nose.

 

[nickyg641]

You could just as easily compare it to this an say they're identical, except for the length (you have to ignore the weird shadow, of course.

The cover is an anomaly; in every other shot it looks just like a longer version of the Begins nose.

To me it looks longer, wider, and rounder. Generally just an enlarged version of the BB nose.

I don't get what's so hard to get right about the cowl. Burton managed to do it, albeit with limited mobility. But why is it impossible to get a comic-accurate, good-looking cowl that can move?

 

[Saint]

To me it looks longer, wider, and rounder. Generally just an enlarged version of the BB nose.

How does it look "rounder" in any picture besides the cover? Wider is a possibility, but I'm not sure how significant it is. Compare this to your BB picture:

I don't get what's so hard to get right about the cowl. Burton managed to do it, albeit with limited mobility.

I think your exagerating the success of those cowls. The shape of the head was so unnatural; no separation between neck and jaw, barely any chin, and so on. They were more like rubber hoods than form-fitting cowls. The titanic eyesholes were weird, too, and personally I found those cowls too flat and expressionless.

The ideal, I think, is somewhere between Kilmer's cowl and the TDK cowl. Kilmer's cowl was to sleek and shiny, obviously designed to look "pretty," and that was a problem, but it had a more natural, form fitting shape than the Burton cowls--though certainly not perfect; the neck was still too thick.

I also think we really need to get away from the rubber cowls if we're finally going to achieve the appropriate, natural, form-fitting shape and lose the problems that have plagued every cowl.

 

[batman_1982]

To me it looks longer, wider, and rounder. Generally just an enlarged version of the BB nose.

I don't get what's so hard to get right about the cowl. Burton managed to do it, albeit with limited mobility. But why is it impossible to get a comic-accurate, good-looking cowl that can move?

I'm starting to think that the technology or maybe the creativity isn't there yet to develop a laytex rubbersuit that can give the best of both worlds with mobility, and a design that is accurate to the comics. Or maybe simply enough the design of the batsuit from the comics just simply can't be done in reality without resorting to using that spiderman type spandex like the batsuit is made out of in the comics.

 

[batman_1982]

How does it look "rounder" in any picture besides the cover? Wider is a possibility, but I'm not sure how significant it is. Compare this to your BB picture:

I think your exagerating the success of those cowls. The shape of the head was so unnatural; no separation between neck and jaw, barely any chin, and so on. They were more like rubber hoods than form-fitting cowls. The titanic eyesholes were weird, too, and personally I found those cowls too flat and expressionless.

The ideal, I think, is somewhere between Kilmer's cowl and the TDK cowl. Kilmer's cowl was to sleek and shiny, obviously designed to look "pretty," and that was a problem, but it had a more natural, form fitting shape than the Burton cowls--though certainly not perfect; the neck was still too thick.

I also think we really need to get away from the rubber cowls if we're finally going to achieve the appropriate, natural, form-fitting shape and lose the problems that have plagued every cowl.

Now that is a much better shot!

 

[joke]

He wasn't huge in AP, though. And either way, his muscle tone isn't going to show through the suit, so why does it matter?

I'm not talking about muscle tone, I'm talking about his size in general.

 

[Sandouras]

I think your exagerating the success of those cowls. The shape of the head was so unnatural; no separation between neck and jaw, barely any chin, and so on. They were more like rubber hoods than form-fitting cowls. The titanic eyesholes were weird, too, and personally I found those cowls too flat and expressionless.

What's wrong with you today? How come i agree with what you say?

The ideal, I think, is somewhere between Kilmer's cowl and the TDK cowl. Kilmer's cowl was to sleek and shiny, obviously designed to look "pretty," and that was a problem, but it had a more natural, form fitting shape than the Burton cowls--though certainly not perfect; the neck was still too thick.

I also think we really need to get away from the rubber cowls if we're finally going to achieve the appropriate, natural, form-fitting shape and lose the problems that have plagued every cowl.

I would personally prefer something between BB and TDK. Fixing all the flaws of the BB suit, but not by giving him a neck collar and an expressionless cowl with a big nose.

 

[Sandouras]

Except vanity muscles are pretty damn important for a Batman movie. I personally prefer a Batman who looks huge and menacing, like a mountain compared to random thugs and then surrender an ounce of my disbelief by still accepting him as an agile martial artist. Just like I accepted the Tumbler driving over house rooftops.

Exactly! Its wasnt just Bale in Begins. The suit was huge too. He was a freaking monster. This time he is scrawny dude in a tech suit.

He is eating his nose! Yeah yeah its because the cowl covers a bit of his upper lip, but goddamnit, this sucks!
What he says:

No, the TDK nose is definitely a little longer.

http://www.batmanunmasked.com/displayimage.php?album=5&pos=50

Thats an awesome picture right there. But of course there were others, like ones with the white background that really make you hate the BB suit.

 

[The Caped Knight]

This shot of the new suit is Excellent .

 

[Sandouras]

I also want to add that we havent seen the new suit in action so we cant really judge.
When we first saw the Begins one in those ugly ass pics with the white background most of us raged. But then it all came together during the film. It really shined during Flass'es interrogation for example, where batman wasnt just a pretty face (like in Forever) but a badass mother****er.

Even though we cant judge yet, i am really concerned that the TDK suit will give Batman a more stealthy, ninja type appearence. Yeah batman is all that, but he still needs to be bigger than a random thug. He still needs to come down and pic them up like he did in the docks scene. The TDK suit doesnt give him this aura. He now looks more like he will Chucky Chan them, than hit them like a train.

I hope you get what i mean.

 

[SheldonLevene]

i definetly agree with you, what is with people wanting a buff bruce wayne/batman. the way he looks in tdk is perfect he looks to be great shape.

I gotta disagree here. He looks ok, and it won't harm the film in any way, but he looked perfect in BB actually.

 

[Superhobo]

i definetly agree with you, what is with people wanting a buff bruce wayne/batman. the way he looks in tdk is perfect he looks to be great shape.

He looks pretty scrawny, IMO.

 

[HUMANIMAL]

they underlined the nostrils and the cheekbones ...this makes the nose so awfully large...but not that much longer .......just wider ......and there is something about wich i highly dislike....if they underline the nose then they should have done it in a much more slighter way.....but well....its too late

 

[capt. slaughter]

He looks pretty scrawny, IMO.

IMO he does not look scrawny, his is in perfect lean shape, he has a martial arts type of physice no body fat. he is in great shape from the pics i see.

 

[Hotwire]

4,000+ posts and you still haven't figured out that logic is non-existent here?

What can I say, I'm an optimist. I refuse to give up hope.

 

[nickyg641]

IMO he does not look scrawny, his is in perfect lean shape, he has a martial arts type of physice no body fat. he is in great shape from the pics i see.

He should still look intimidating. And, as Sandouras said, this suit doesn't give the same aura as the last did, or even the Burton suits. He looks less like a creature of the night and more like a ninja with horns.

 

[Reflectionist]

He should still look intimidating. And, as Sandouras said, this suit doesn't give the same aura as the last did, or even the Burton suits. He looks less like a creature of the night and more like a ninja with horns.

Hmmm.... isn't that exactly what this Batman is?
Don't forget, this Batman was trained by 'secret dope smoking ninjas in the mountains.'

 

[Crook]

His methods are based on the ninja and other myriads of training styles he has acquired over the years.

I'd say his appearance and general aura in his genesis years were definitely set in the "mysterious" and "supernatural" angle.

 

[nickyg641]

Hmmm.... isn't that exactly what this Batman is?
Don't forget, this Batman was trained by 'secret dope smoking ninjas in the mountains.'

He's more than just a ninja. He is, first and foremost, a superhero. He must intimade his enemies, as well as be able to perform feats of great strength, but he doesn't have the luxury of superhuman powers.

 

[Savage]

Don't forget, this Batman was trained by 'secret dope smoking ninjas in the mountains.'

HAHAHA! I can't believe I never looked at it that way.

 

[BatmanFanatic]

Bale stated he had no intention looking like he did in AP for his role as Batman. He dismissed it as being "vanity muscles", and not about real strength.

Vanity muscles as opposed to what, the NO muscles he has currently for TDK?

Ok the batman im seeing in TDK is the Neal Adams batman which was not "beefed up" he was a sleek, agile martial artist, a toned muscular guy, but NOT A BODYBUILDER. How long have you been posting on these threads? The reason he was so big in BB cause he took Nolans advice LITERALLY and got as big as he could, so even before they filmed he had to get smaller, which is why he was so big, almost too big for the suit even after, plus dont you think the hell Bale has put his body through is getting to a point where it cant take it anymore? It has nothing to do with being dedicated, if Bale wasnt dedidcated to Batman he wouldnt of come back for a second film or put as much effort into the character as he already has. Also Bale isnt as big as a UFC fighter because he doesnt train 24/7 everyday/every week to be a better more tough fighter, he has trained for roles he plays in films, theres a HUGE difference between the two, looks and actually being strong and tough are two different things.

How about the paycheck?

I don't care about looking strong vs being strong IRL, this is a movie, and he'd better damn well LOOK STRONG because he's freakn' BATMAN. Not some average guy in a fancy suit! Batman works out people!

I love the "It's just the angle" argument. It's applied even when we see the suit in motion in footage. When it looks bad from that many angles, then, chances are, it's going to look bad in the film, too.

What's the point of designing a suit that only looks good from a few angles?

Same thing I ask myself. *shakes head*

Except vanity muscles are pretty damn important for a Batman movie. I personally prefer a Batman who looks huge and menacing, like a mountain compared to random thugs and then surrender an ounce of my disbelief by still accepting him as an agile martial artist. Just like I accepted the Tumbler driving over house rooftops.

Agreed. I'd rather think that "he's awfully big for being so agile", than think "he's awfully scrawny for throwing those thugs around like that and scaring everyone who fights him."

i definetly agree with you, what is with people wanting a buff bruce wayne/batman. the way he looks in tdk is perfect he looks to be great shape.

No he doesn't! Have you seen the pic of him in a short sleeved shirt on the set? He looks exactly like ordinary Bale walking down the street. He looks like he looked in the Prestige. He doesn't look anything like a Batman body OR a lean martial artists type body! He didn't try to work out for this one at all.

Exactly! Its wasnt just Bale in Begins. The suit was huge too. He was a freaking monster. This time he is scrawny dude in a tech suit.

Yup. *shakes head*

He looks pretty scrawny, IMO.

He does, especially in the candid photos we've seen.

Hmmm.... isn't that exactly what this Batman is?
Don't forget, this Batman was trained by 'secret dope smoking ninjas in the mountains.'

Hey, that's my line Give credit even if you're being sarcastic

He's more than just a ninja. He is, first and foremost, a superhero. He must intimade his enemies, as well as be able to perform feats of great strength, but he doesn't have the luxury of superhuman powers.

That's right. Even with an awesome suit you can bet your butt that Batman would be hitting the gym every chance he got. This Batman doesn't look like he'd even be able to climb a rope with only his arms. I've seen high school kids in better shape.

 

[capt. slaughter]

He should still look intimidating. And, as Sandouras said, this suit doesn't give the same aura as the last did, or even the Burton suits. He looks less like a creature of the night and more like a ninja with horns.

well IMO i would rather go with a batman that has a ninja type of skill then some guy thats just all buff. the ninja would definetly be quicker and faster then some muscle head who has muscles but doesnt know how to defend himself. thats just my opinion look at bruce lee he wasnt all gigantic muscular guy, he was lean and cut and had alot of definition.

 

[Compi716]

See, the cowl looks fantastic here. But here, it looks GOD AWFUL, at least in my opinion:

But hey, it's just my opinion.

 

[BatmanFanatic]

well IMO i would rather go with a batman that has a ninja type of skill then some guy thats just all buff. the ninja would definetly be quicker and faster then some muscle head who has muscles but doesnt know how to defend himself. thats just my opinion look at bruce lee he wasnt all gigantic muscular guy, he was lean and cut and had alot of definition.

Except Bale looks nothing like Bruce Lee for this film, so he is neither the sleek ninja martial artist, NOR the intimidating body builder. He's done NOTHING with his body, and I think that's a cop out for what he calls "the most bad-ass of superheros."

I mean if I were about to play the most "bad-ass of superheros" I wouldn't be so diluted as to think that characters body looked exactly like me on an average day. I'd be working out like crazy.

 

[capt. slaughter]

Except Bale looks nothing like Bruce Lee for this film, so he is neither the sleek ninja martial artist, NOR the intimidating body builder. He's done NOTHING with his body, and I think that's a cop out for what he calls "the most bad-ass of superheros."

I mean if I were about to play the most "bad-ass of superheros" I wouldn't be so diluted as to think that characters body looked exactly like me on an average day. I'd be working out like crazy.

but how do you know if he isnt ripped underneath the shirt, i guess we will just have to see the movie