The Dark Knight Capes and Cowls - New Batsuit Discussion Thread

[RKO]

A word of advice: when you resort to bogus hyperbole you only make your argument look foolish. Bale is certainly not as big as he was for Begins, but to say he's "scrawny" is nonsense:

The muscle mass isn't there any more, but he's hardly "average." He's still in shape, and if you think "he didn't work out at all for this one," you've got a bizarre notion of what the human body normally looks like. You don't have arms like that without working out. Period.

And of course, it doesn't matter at all unless you see him without his shirt on. Muscle mass is nice, but hardly a requirement.

Is it just me or what Bruce is watching is that glimpse of Joker going crazy in front of the cam that we got in the tv spot. You can tell by the blue screen.

 

[Batman137]

Is it just me or what Bruce is watching is that glimpse of Joker going crazy in front of the cam that we got in the tv spot. You can tell by the blue screen.

WOW, good catch!

 

[Cobblepot]

speculation.

 

[not_a_victim]

speculation.

sentence fragment.

 

[bunk]

Is it just me or what Bruce is watching is that glimpse of Joker going crazy in front of the cam that we got in the tv spot. You can tell by the blue screen.

He looks about as confused as I did when I first saw it.

 

[lujho]

Cause you can tell by his scrawny neck and skinny arms while he's wearing a T-shirt he isn't ripped? It's kind of obvious.

Note - the pic I'm thinking of is not the one that was posted. I'll have to find it. But basically even in the pic that was posted, that is what Bale normally looks like. He's not any bigger, leaner, more defined or anything other than how he is in all his "average build" roles ... 3:10, Reign of Fire, Equillibrium, Prestige... same level of muscle. That's not a Batman build to me, nor is it a "Bruce Lee" build, so would everyone please quit invoking his name? Bales body looks nothing like Bruce Lee.

But being super-toned like Lee is there has NOTHING to do with strength or skill. Lee's like that because of diet and/or excercise, but it's just super-low bodyfat, and Bale having more bodyfat won't do anything to reduce his (or Batman's) strength, skill or fitness. If Bale lost more bodyfat he's look that ripped - that's what looking ripped is.

Muscle definition and muscle bulk are 2 completely different things. In the training scenes in Begins, he had a lof of bulk but not so much definition, in American Psycho he had a tonne of definition but not so much bulk.

In TDK his bulk is probably in between and again, probably not so much definition, but since definition is completely superficial anyway, who cares?

 

[batman_1982]

Is it just me or what Bruce is watching is that glimpse of Joker going crazy in front of the cam that we got in the tv spot. You can tell by the blue screen.

Wow! Now that you mention it, that looks like it could be it, you can deffinately see part of the image in the far left screen. And it does seem to have the same color as the blue joker footage.

 

[capt. slaughter]

Sorry if I hold the physique of Batman up to higher standards than simply "not having a bear gut." Bale is lean, like he always is because he's just a thin guy, but there is no muscle tone.

I for one don't think ALL of Batmans muscles should be sculpted onto his SUIT.

bale definetly has muscle tone in the pic, you can only see it in the forearms and biceps and he isnt even flexing and you can obviously see that there is muscle tone. i dont know if you are wanting like a john cena type of muscle bulk but i prefer how bale looks in tdk its perfect.

 

[Dangerous]

But being super-toned like Lee is there has NOTHING to do with strength or skill. Lee's like that because of diet and/or excercise, but it's just super-low bodyfat, and Bale having more bodyfat won't do anything to reduce his (or Batman's) strength, skill or fitness. If Bale lost more bodyfat he's look that ripped - that's what looking ripped is.

No.
That is only half of it.

Muscle definition like Bruce Lee's is not solely derived from 'working out' while also having super low body fat.

You have to train the muscles to a high level in order for them to be that defined.

 

[nickyg641]

Whether he's toned or not, I still think Batman should be physically intimidating. Bruce Lee isn't particularly imposing, so comparing Batman to him isn't really relavent.

Batman is meant to be superhero, and one that relies heavily on fear and intimidation, not just a ninja.

 

[SheldonLevene]

Whether he's toned or not, I still think Batman should be physically intimidating. Bruce Lee isn't particularly imposing, so comparing Batman to him isn't really relavent.

Batman is meant to be superhero, and one that relies heavily on fear and intimidation, not just a ninja.

Lol if Bruce Lee stood in front of my and wanted to kick my ass I'd be pretty intimidated. That said, Bale looked good in RoF never saw that movie b/c it looked pretty bad. I am still alright with what he looks like now. The man is naturally like 185 or so he looks to be a bit above that now and there are pics on that one fan website that show him in a similar tee and he looks a bit larger. This was before shooting too. I have tried to post pics from said website before, but it wouldn't let me. I will try to find a link.

 

[SheldonLevene]

Here they are. Like I said I tried to post the pics directly once, and the site won't allow it. http://www.christian-bale.org/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=272

 

[Captain Useless]

Here they are. Like I said I tried to post the pics directly once, and the site won't allow it. http://www.christian-bale.org/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=272

I'm 100% straight, but Bale looks effin hot there!

 

[capt. slaughter]

Whether he's toned or not, I still think Batman should be physically intimidating. Bruce Lee isn't particularly imposing, so comparing Batman to him isn't really relavent.

Batman is meant to be superhero, and one that relies heavily on fear and intimidation, not just a ninja.

bruce lee is pretty damn intimidating to me and intimidation and fear can all come from a ninja. aka league of shadows

 

[nickyg641]

bruce lee is pretty damn intimidating to me and intimidation and fear can all come from a ninja. aka league of shadows

I'm just saying, he doesn't have the physical stature to really convey the menace that Batman should. He looks intimidating while h'es kicking your ass, but if you saw Bruce Lee in person, it would probably be pretty easy to underestimate him.

 

[Crook]

I'm just saying, he doesn't have the physical stature to really convey the menace that Batman should. He looks intimidating while h'es kicking your ass, but if you saw Bruce Lee in person, it would probably be pretty easy to underestimate him.

Exactly. He's not very intimidating at all because of his size. When he was alive, people were constantly testing him because they wanted to be the guy to beat Bruce Lee. They didn't see the big deal in him.

 

[SheldonLevene]

I'm 100% straight, but Bale looks effin hot there!

Lol yeah he's a good looking man.

 

[hame4479]

No offense for somebody that hates working out Mr. Bale has consistently had one of the more toned hardcore bodies in the biz. He is a dedicated mutha****a, so if he isn't huge like in those other flicks it is because he was told not to tone up probably for health reasons. But honestly I think that stressful months of being batman would start to manifest itself physically anyways. No sleep and physically demanding nights would wear a person down. Batman is being worn down and it shows in Bruces physicality.

 

[capt. slaughter]

well i would rather have a lean cut in shape bruce/batman than a roid bruce/batman, we dont need to see batman going on a roid rage.

 

[SheldonLevene]

well i would rather have a lean cut in shape bruce/batman than a roid bruce/batman, we dont need to see batman going on a roid rage.

Bruce in BB was hardly roided up looking.

 

[capt. slaughter]

Bruce in BB was hardly roided up looking.

im not talking about bb bruce/batman. someone was saying they wanted bruce/batman to be this big muscular guy and i just thought that was silly.

 

[Eggyman]

im not talking about bb bruce/batman. someone was saying they wanted bruce/batman to be this big muscular guy and i just thought that was silly.

I don't think it's silly, but I also don't think it's a necessity.

 

[SheldonLevene]

im not talking about bb bruce/batman. someone was saying they wanted bruce/batman to be this big muscular guy and i just thought that was silly.

Well there is a point where size can be a hinderance. Look at male gymnasts, yeah they're short for the most part, but those are some pretty ripped up guys. That, on a 6' something frame would be ideal.

 

[capt. slaughter]

I don't think it's silly, but I also don't think it's a necessity.

yeah i goofed on that its not silly i just meant i couldnt imagine a roided up batman in tdk and some people have been saying how he looks scrawny and weak and that his pictures he has no muscle tone. thats what i find silly.

 

[TNC9852002]

The issue here is, from what I can tell is, is Bruce in the shape that he would have to be to realistically perform as Batman (in real life) and at the same time, does he convey the sort of physical threat that has emodied Bruce Wayne/Batman in the comics or the cartoons, which many have agreed Christian did in Batman Begins.

Now, I think the balance was better in Batman Begins, many people here would agree. But, personally, it's just not that big of an issue with me until I've seen the film and make an opinion on how or where his physical presence will be an issue like it was before (throughout his training..etc). It never bothered me in previous Batman films where the actors were definitely not physically imposing as Bruce/Batman, but I'm just a tad bit disappointed that Christian isn't quite as..."large" as he was in Begins, but it's not a big issue for me.

As long as he looks 'good'.

-TNC