The Dark Knight Capes and Cowls - New Batsuit Discussion Thread

[BatmanFanatic]

The belt is gonna be a hard nut to crack but it will be sweet.

Wams can you post some of your previous finished work? You rock dude! =)

 

[BatmanFanatic]

This is true. Eveything Millars done concerning catwoman and ****ES has been well written enough so that we can interpret it as we want.

Personally I like to think that running an escort agency is good because Selinas girls can go out and scope new scores or listen to rumours from big wigs in politics or business etc. She provides a safe, clean and better paying alternative for the street girls that she cares about and in return they're essentially her spies. In Millers timeline I imagine that Selina became a madam long before she was old and fat with purple hair. Because clients can pay cash it's also a great way to wash her money trails, she logs hours that were never worked.


Theres a plently of brothel keepers who've never actually "worked". Maybe not so in America but in countries where it's legal there are. I wonder what the status is in gotham city? Ok now this covo is getting weird.

Why can't she just be the independent woman that she always was before, living wild and free and taking whatever she wanted that her eyes landed upon? She has to have these deep connections to mud and muck instead of rising above and out of it through her stealthy skills?

Giving this made up background of dominatrix, brothel owner, best friends with a child-prostitute, and having her live and breathe in the world of the sex trade, lowers her to the world of Gothams putrid underbelly, instead of the confident, intelligent and wild woman that was seen in Bruce Waynes crowd of socialites.

I much prefer the Selina Kyle that was born into a broken home and poverty, abandoned, and learned that through stealing she could give herself food and eventually as she became a great thief and then the worlds greatest thief, a very good life for herself ... fashionable, respectable and hobnobbing with all of Waynes friends that she might eventually rob blind if she didn't like them.

Everything Miller made up took the focus away from her skill and abilities as an athlete and gifted, intelligent cat burglar and turned her into just another exploiter of women or leather clad piece of @$$.

 

[Manosman]

LMAO. So true.

Screw all this realism crap, it's STILL a comic book movie. Batman does not look right, he needs to be in an organic suit. All they need is one scene explaining how much protection he gets from the material. He's BAT man. The bat is scary ANIMAL. You shouldn't even want a BAT man to come near you. With the TDK suit, I just might go up and ask if they sell the suit at Best Buy. I can't believe they went from bad to worse with the Begins suit to TDK.

And look how the cape sticks out, it wouldn't stick out like that if the suit was organic like it's supposed to be. Guess they couldn't robotize the cape as well.

And the whole two color scheme, well three colors, black and very very very dark gray, with ugly yellow belt sticking out doesn't work at all. Don't get me started on the weakest emphasis on the hero symbol that I've seen in any movie with Superman Returns in a close second. I mean, look how the SM movies made the Spider symbol on his chest bigger and better as each movie went by.

I want to s**t bricks when I see Batman if I'm a criminal, the TDK suit makes me want to throw a bucket of water at him to see if he'll short circuit.

Well thats all fine and dandy, your opinion, and I agree with you on some points, but this batman doesn't really stick around in one place long enough to actually study his suit, its mainly the way it is to protect himself, and if you were a criminal, you wouldn't be like, say that bat symbol on his chest is a little small, you wouldnt see it at all, all you would see is black streaks in the shadows as he streaks past you, so thats why to suit doesnt bother me that much, it is what it is, and itll probably be explained why it is the way it is, similar to the begins suit. my 2cents thats all.

 

[Banquet]

Why can't she just be the independent woman that she always was before, living wild and free and taking whatever she wanted that her eyes landed upon? She has to have these deep connections to mud and muck instead of rising above and out of it through her stealthy skills?

Giving this made up background of dominatrix, brothel owner, best friends with a child-prostitute, and having her live and breathe in the world of the sex trade, lowers her to the world of Gothams putrid underbelly, instead of the confident, intelligent and wild woman that was seen in Bruce Waynes crowd of socialites.

I much prefer the Selina Kyle that was born into a broken home and poverty, abandoned, and learned that through stealing she could give herself food and eventually as she became a great thief and then the worlds greatest thief, a very good life for herself ... fashionable, respectable and hobnobbing with all of Waynes friends that she might eventually rob blind if she didn't like them.

Everything Miller made up took the focus away from her skill and abilities as an athlete and gifted, intelligent cat burglar and turned her into just another exploiter of women or leather clad piece of @$$.

BF, :heart:

 

[inflames]

BF, :heart:

forget it, she's all might MUWAHAHAHAHA

 

[Manosman]

I'm sorry, this whole miller/catwoman/prostitute/call girl, discussion is very interesting, and have been reading it, but isn't this thread to discuss the new batsuit?

 

[Banquet]

I'm sorry, this whole miller/catwoman/prostitute/call girl, discussion is very interesting, and have been reading it, but isn't this thread to discuss the new batsuit?

yeah, it's as far as I was going to go with it. I don't have any opinion about the batsuit that hasn't been stated a thousand times before, so I again slip into the shadows of this thread...

 

[BatmanFanatic]

BF, :heart:

forget it, she's all might MUWAHAHAHAHA

Oh but in the fickle world of the internet, love is short ....

 

[inflames]

Oh but in the fickle world of the internet, love is short ....

this goes beyond the interwebzzz!! this is for real!!!11!!!!

 

[BatmanFanatic]

this goes beyond the interwebzzz!! this is for real!!!11!!!!

Well at least you make me laugh =)

 

[inflames]

Well at least you make me laugh =)

t: Thank you, thank you. (in penguines voice from batman returns).

 

[Sandouras]

I was watching the Begins extras on Youtube. One of them was about the suit and behind the scenes you could clearly see how teh puffy it was. You could clearly see the mobility issues and how the chest bulged forwards when Buster Reeves held his hands up (while he was holding the cable to the train). Post editing we couldnt see all these flaws and the suit really looked good.

Getting into TDK, getting rid of the extra puff and the bulges is an improvement. On the other hand, adding all those lines is downgrading.

But, judging from the recent Snakeyes photos, his suit isnt better either. So apparently an all rubber suit is doomed to the same old flaws.

But what if the TDK suit was executed in a better way? What if the undersuit was like a diving suit (or anything else that doesnt look like that mesh, but is more smooth) and the pads were less bulging and integrated into the undersuit rather than strapped on to it? That would make them less protrusive and the overall suit would look much more subtle. Off course they should get rid of most of the lines as well.
Finally, i dont know how, but the neck collars need to go. I dont know how, but there has to be some way. On the other hand, maybe the begins cowl is the best solution when you want the head and neck to be one piece. But it didnt give for much head mobility.


Now, i want to refer to the recent drawing that appeared on this thread. How is that any different from the TDK suit? Because the legs are a bit better? It has even more pads, therefore more lines and it actually looks like the freaking Bay-Megatron. Excuse me, but i dont like it.

 

[Saint]

Why can't she just be the independent woman that she always was before, living wild and free and taking whatever she wanted that her eyes landed upon? She has to have these deep connections to mud and muck instead of rising above and out of it through her stealthy skills?

Giving this made up background of dominatrix, brothel owner, best friends with a child-prostitute, and having her live and breathe in the world of the sex trade, lowers her to the world of Gothams putrid underbelly, instead of the confident, intelligent and wild woman that was seen in Bruce Waynes crowd of socialites.

I much prefer the Selina Kyle that was born into a broken home and poverty, abandoned, and learned that through stealing she could give herself food and eventually as she became a great thief and then the worlds greatest thief, a very good life for herself ... fashionable, respectable and hobnobbing with all of Waynes friends that she might eventually rob blind if she didn't like them.

Everything Miller made up took the focus away from her skill and abilities as an athlete and gifted, intelligent cat burglar and turned her into just another exploiter of women or leather clad piece of @$$.

I'm not particularly fond of the prostitute origin myself, but I don't agree with your criticisms: I think you're overstating the effects on her character. The elements you describe as your preference are all still there--she still did all those things, she's still that woman, simply with prostitution added to the list of things she overcame. She was no less independent for it, no less confident or intelligent. It was simply one of the things she had to do to get by before she hit the big time, so to speak.

As with most things in fiction (perhaps everything; I haven't decided), this plot element isn't inherently damaging except when handled poorly.

 

[regwec]

I agree with BF generally; my vision of Selina is of a society girl who has infiltrated the smart set by charm and beauty, but remains an outsider from a disadvantaged background who leads a double life. The thrill of stealing from old money would come naturally to her. There is also some kind of analogue between her and Bruce, as they are both play-acting their part in society.

It's really not necessary for Selina to have worked in the sex trade to provide the "difficult background".

 

[Saint]

I agree with BF generally; my vision of Selina is of a society girl who has infiltrated the smart set by charm and beauty, but remains an outsider from a disadvantaged background who leads a double life. The thrill of stealing from old money would come naturally to her. There is also some kind of analogue between her and Bruce, as they are both play-acting their part in society.

This seems to suggest a false dilemma; either she's a prostitute or she's the woman you describe. There's no contradiction: she's still precisely as you describe, despite having once been a prostitute.

It's really not necessary for Selina to have worked in the sex trade to provide the "difficult background".

Agreed.

 

[regwec]

Yeah, I tried to address that with my statement that Selina's time in a brothel was just unnecessary.

I think it does cheapen her just a bit, however. I don't look down on women who sell or have sold sex at all, nor do I doubt that they could climb the higher echelons of society. But the spark of defiance and impetuous sexual feeling that Selina exhibits seems to sit uncomfortably with someone who has desensitized themselves from the sexual act, and probably had some unpleasant sexual experiences. I don't think anyone would doubt that Catwoman has a great deal of self confidence, and considers herself very attractive. Those qualities lend themselves better to someone who has always had mastery over their own body, and has used their attractiveness for their own ends or enjoyment.

IMO, naturally.

 

[Sandouras]

Is this the Catsuit discussion thread?

NO IT ISNT!

 

[Nepenthes]

Batman Fanatic I've responded, at length, in the Catwoman/ Selina Kyle thread . Sorry for the essay

I don't think anyone would doubt that Catwoman has a great deal of self confidence, and considers herself very attractive. Those qualities lend themselves better to someone who has always had mastery over their own body, and has used their attractiveness for their own ends or enjoyment.

Yep, and you've also just described a high-end call girl

But the spark of defiance and impetuous sexual feeling that Selina exhibits seems to sit uncomfortably with someone who has desensitized themselves from the sexual act, and probably had some unpleasant sexual experiences.

Call girls who can afford to be selective can also afford to enjoy the experience itself. And if they desensitze themselves completely it actually means they're bad at their job, which is a no no, of course. Also ALOT of males regularily desensitise themselves emotionally, and often at no real degradation to themsleves I'd argue. As do many females who are not being paid as well.

I agree that the sex trade doesn't need to be a huge or even neccersarry part of her life or character, apart from the fact that she associates with street girls. But as she is essentially an archetype I feel it's such a close thematic link to the qualities that made her an icon in the first place, so much so that it doesn't hurt to be acknowleged in story, it's already so close to what she is. And just personally I think it adds alot of interest and depth to her; if a person disagrees with that, fine, but it defintly doesn't hurt her. So it's there for someone to take it or leave it.

 

[Loneranger]

Suit looks awesome here!

http://www.bestmovie.it/template.asp?id=2417

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

So whats new in the Capes & Cowls world?

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Suit looks awesome here!

http://www.bestmovie.it/template.asp?id=2417

Damn right, it looks badass in the picture!!

 

[regwec]

The increased colour-contrast does help it out there, as does the composition which draws the eye to the upper half of the suit. But the legs still look absurd!

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

The increased colour-contrast does help it out there, as does the composition which draws the eye to the upper half of the suit. But the legs still look absurd!

Totally agreed, though Im not a fan at all of the leg design of the suit, it really dosent bother me as much as others.

 

[Sandouras]

is there a higher resolution version of this photo?
Also, could someone upload it in the "Official pics" thread?

 

[The Guard]

Selina Kyle being a prostitute/dominatrix is metaphorically and thematically relevant to her transformation into Catwoman. Miller presented a character who has a reason to want to "lash out" at society, to take something for herself, and he did so in a realistic manner. Catwoman is a thief. Where do thieves come from?