The Dark Knight Capes and Cowls - New Batsuit Discussion Thread

[-Arya-]

Explain how is it okay for you to complain that people are making posts you don't like, but not okay for people to complain about the suit?

And here we....GO

 

[The Shape]

Explain how is it okay for you to complain that people are making posts you don't like, but not okay for people to complain about the suit.

Here's an honest question. Do you ever get tired of the "Explain how..." shtick? Aren't there certain, idiot comments that you want to led slide, rather than launching into a pointless debate. For instance, this person's comment obviously made no sense whatsoever, but do you really think his justification of it will?

 

[the_monk]

Explain how is it okay for you to complain that people are making posts you don't like, but not okay for people to complain about the suit.

Then how is it okay for you to complain about people complaining about people complaining?

All I'm saying is that you'll only notice this stuff in the movie if you decide to. Trust me, I was watching Batman Begins last night and all I did was notice the problems with the suit because I've been reading negative posts about the TDK suit. You can find that kind of a flaw in anything if you choose to focus on it. I retouch celebrities all day for a living. Beautiful people still have flaws. Does that make them less beautiful? (well, sometimes. but that's because they aren't who they seem)

 

[the_monk]

Here's an honest question. Do you ever get tired of the "Explain how..." shtick? Aren't there certain, idiot comments that you want to led slide, rather than launching into a pointless debate. For instance, this person's comment obviously made no sense whatsoever, but do you really think his justification of it will?

Umm...tell me how what I said made no sense.

 

[nickyg641]

Exactly. Batman is made by the interpretation of the character, not what he wears. And that's something these movies do well. So stop complaining so much.

The look of the character is just as important as his personality. If the suit is ugly and distracting, it tends to dampen the performance.

For example, Kilmer was all right as Batman. There wasn't really anything un-Batmanish about the character. Does that judtify Bat-nipples?

 

[Saint]

Here's an honest question. Do you ever get tired of the "Explain how..." shtick?

Nope. It saves me time. Very effective at pointing out the flaws in statements.

Aren't there certain, idiot comments that you want to led slide, rather than launching into a pointless debate.

Absolutely. If I responded to every post I thought was stupid, well, the numbers would be astronomical.

For instance, this person's comment obviously made no sense whatsoever, but do you really think his justification of it will?

No. That's the point: to demonstrate that it doesn't make sense.

 

[the_monk]

The look of the character is just as important as the personality of him. If the suit is ugly and distracting, it tends to dampen the performance. It's funny how people talk about complaining about the asthetics of the suit, when they can complain about bat-nipples.

Kilmer was all right as Batman. There wasn't really anything un-Batmanish about. Does that make Bat-nipples alright?

Fair point.

But are these 2 examples REALLY comparable?

I really need to stop coming into this thread.

 

[the_monk]

This is moronic. The only stupid thing about what I said was that I may have worded it in an abrasive manner.

Otherwise, I stand by my statement.

 

[The Shape]

Umm...tell me how what I said made no sense.

You asked for someone to stop complaining about the suit, which is a ridiculous and unnecessary comment. I mean, if we can't complain about it, are we only allowed to praise it? Must there only be one defining opinion that is present in this thread? Of course there will be complaints in a thread asking for people's opinions on the Batsuit.

And Saint wasn't "complaing about you complaining about people complaining" (whoa), he was merely asking you to explain yourself.

 

[nickyg641]

Fair point.

But are these 2 examples REALLY comparable?

I really need to stop coming into this thread.

I would say so. But for different reasons. Bat-nipples were stupid and pointless, this suit is ugly and, to an extent, pointless (there are plenty of details, such as the legs, that really have no conceivable purpose).

 

[The Shape]

Nope. It saves me time. Very effective at pointing out the flaws in statements.

Obviously, it's effective, but to say that it saves time is just false. If anything, you're wasting you're time with half of the people you target with their ludicrous comments. It launches you into a debate that you will inevitably win, although you will have ultimately gained nothing

No. That's the point: to demonstrate that it doesn't make sense.

But we both already knew that it didn't make sense. Did it need to be demonstrated?

 

[BatmanFanatic]

I'm not particularly fond of the prostitute origin myself, but I don't agree with your criticisms: I think you're overstating the effects on her character. The elements you describe as your preference are all still there--she still did all those things, she's still that woman, simply with prostitution added to the list of things she overcame. She was no less independent for it, no less confident or intelligent. It was simply one of the things she had to do to get by before she hit the big time, so to speak.

As with most things in fiction (perhaps everything; I haven't decided), this plot element isn't inherently damaging except when handled poorly.

My problem is with the implication of who she is as a character if in the end, in her "retirement" she goes back to the sex industry, as a madam. Thats a completely different outlook on her story than the "overcoming prostitution" angle, which is far more inspiring than having her go back to the prostitution game in the end.

What Miller did with her story arc seemed to completely lessen and ignore her career as a world class thief.

 

[inflames]

The point has been made millions upon millions of times and we need to move on, yes they are busy and weird looking but for christ's sake you won't even see them half the time unless your literally going to sit there in the theater and analyze the legs for 2 and a half hours. Talk about making mountains out of mole hills.

 

[the_monk]

I can see where everyone is coming from with their complaints about the new suit, honestly.

I just think you need to see it in the context of the movie first. Whenever I see a still from Begins, I think the suit looks funky. When I watch the movie, I think it's awesome.

No offense meant, earlier. I didn't mean it to sound so abrasive.

 

[Saint]

Then how is it okay for you to complain about people complaining about people complaining?

I am interested to hear which part of my post was a complaint. I am only demonstrating the contradiction in your post. I don't care if you complain, just that your complaints should make sense.

All I'm saying is that you'll only notice this stuff in the movie if you decide to.

What you think about the batsuit or the noticeability of it's flaws is not my concern, which is why nothing on the subject appeared in my post.

However, I will say that this is nonsense. Any viewer with a normal level of awareness will notice flaws whether they're looking for them or not.

 

[inflames]

I can see where everyone is coming from with their complaints about the new suit, honestly.

I just think you need to see it in the context of the movie first. Whenever I see a still from Begins, I think the suit looks funky. When I watch the movie, I think it's awesome.

No offense meant, earlier. I didn't mean it to sound so abrasive.

I'm all for analyzation (sp) it's fun and interesting but there is a limit and this is way way way past it.

 

[the_monk]

I am interested to hear which part of my post was a complaint. I am only demonstrating the contradiction in your post. I don't care if you complain, just that your complaints should make sense.

That part of my comment was clearly just a play on what you said and not meant to be taken seriously.

What you think about the batsuit or the noticeability of it's flaws is not my concern, which is why nothing on the subject appeared in my post.

However, I will say that this is nonsense. Any viewer with a normal level of awareness will notice flaws whether they're looking for them or not.

And my point is that the Begins suit has major flaws, as does the '89 suit, yet very few people are going to care in the context of the movie.

 

[Saint]

Obviously, it's effective, but to say that it saves time is just false.

It saves more time than writing my usual lengthy explanations of these flaws, is what I mean.

If anything, you're wasting you're time with half of the people you target with their ludicrous comments. It launches you into a debate that you will inevitably win, although you will have ultimately gained nothing

That's my prerogative. I don't understand the problem. If they don't want to argue with me, they don't have to, and if other people don't want to read my exchanges, they don't have to, either.

But we both already knew that it didn't make sense. Did it need to be demonstrated?

Yes, because people continue to express this sentiment, and therefore obviously do not recognize the contradiction. Accordingly, I inform them.

 

[Saint]

That part of my comment was clearly just a play on what you said and not meant to be taken seriously.

If you say so.

And my point is that the Begins suit has major flaws, as does the '89 suit, yet very few people are going to care in the context of the movie.

I know what your point is. I am disagreeing with it. Plenty of people cared about those flaws. Plenty of people will care about the new flaws.

 

[The Shape]

It saves more time than writing my usual lengthy explanations of these flaws, is what I mean.


That's my prerogative. I don't understand the problem. If they don't want to argue with me, they don't have to, and if other people don't want to read my exchanges, they don't have to, either.


Yes, because people continue to express this sentiment, and therefore obviously do not recognize the contradiction. Accordingly, I inform them.

Fair enough. I was just curious as to why you continue to do this.

 

[BatmanFanatic]

new Got milk add

Wow, you ALMOST can't tell he's wearing a bat-bra. Thats gotta be an improvement

When thats one of the major complaints about Batmans suit, you KNOW you have a problem.

Ya Begins had a got milk ad I have it right next to my desk.

God that suit was sweet. How I miss it so. It's so sleek, and smooth and if I do say so myself, as a :meow: ... it was very SEXY.

It's almost like the designers sent away for the new Batsuit. Then when it showed up without directions, they said f*** it and put it together anyway. "It doesn't look like the box.."

 

[Saint]

Fair enough. I was just curious as to why you continue to do this.

Because I strongly dislike anything that doesn't make sense.

 

[BatmanFanatic]

And whoever posted pages ago about Batmans belt is right. It seems like all these designers want to do is get rid of the classic Batman belt alltogether, they keep making it tinier and tinier. THAT BELT CANT HOLD ANYTHING!!!

 

[Saint]

But what if the TDK suit was executed in a better way? What if the undersuit was like a diving suit (or anything else that doesnt look like that mesh, but is more smooth) and the pads were less bulging and integrated into the undersuit rather than strapped on to it? That would make them less protrusive and the overall suit would look much more subtle. Off course they should get rid of most of the lines as well.

This is the suit the likes of Lujho and myself have been describing since...forever. It is also the suit appearing in many of the manips posted on this board.

 

[HUMANIMAL]

ok they may want to get rid of the classic look ... but it looks very stable to me....
a belt made of leather wouldnt hold a thing...