The Dark Knight Capes and Cowls - New Batsuit Discussion Thread

[Hole Shot]

Epic Fail Guy.

oh.

Look it up

Technically, I just did. Thank you.

 

[the dmg]

I am not saying that V was the lead. However he was still able to convey large amounts of emotion through his actions and tone of voice. The identity was a mystery however he still was able to let the audience gather their own impression.

CC speaks truth. It's something that's called acting. Bale is more than capable of doing the same.

From watching the TV spot where it shows the lenses, it makes Batman look more intimidating. Lenses worked in Daredevil, and I think that Bale could pull off a ton of emotion if he had lenses.

 

[raxor]

http://jalopnik.com/397684/batmobile-to-lap-silverstone-alongside-toyota-f1-car


I hear that this thursdays grand prix toyota's driver overall would be made to look like the batsuit.. any on here have pics on that?

 

[nickyg641]

V also didn't sounds like he was battling the worst case of constipation known to man. He was allowed to be more emotive with his voice. Bale really only does two things: a growl, or a raspy monotone. I don't think there's much else to do with the voice.

 

[McBat87]

Does anyone think that's the same cowl from BB,The only thing that change is the neck.Some angles look diferent coz he had more movement this time,so when his head looks down or crouches his nose apears to look bigger.That didn't happen much in BB coz the bracing of the neck,it keeps the cowl intact coz it's in one piece.

 

[Mr. Earle]

http://jalopnik.com/397684/batmobile-to-lap-silverstone-alongside-toyota-f1-car


I hear that this thursdays grand prix toyota's driver overall would be made to look like the batsuit.. any on here have pics on that?

No, they just had the TDK logo (bat with blue flames) on their suits.

 

[Saint]

Does anyone think that's the same cowl from BB,The only thing that change is the neck.Some angles look diferent coz he had more movement this time,so when his head looks down or crouches his nose apears to look bigger.That didn't happen much in BB coz the bracing of the neck,it keeps the cowl intact coz it's in one piece.

The nose is, in fact, longer (check comparables shots of the suits to see for yourself), and the cut of them mouth hole is different--a little straighter, and a little smaller. Also, because the nose is longer, the cheekbones are a little different. The huge jaw of the Begins cowl is also gone.

 

[The Guard]

So I woke up this morning...and I love the suit.

Just kidding. I still hate most of it.

The lenses look the same as BTAS, I don't see why some people are saying their too big. I think their prefect.

That's a cartoon. And in the context of live-action, that would just look ridiculous. Only Spider-Man can really get away with "eyes" that large in live action, and that's because he's supposed to look a bit absurd as a design.

 

[TheBat812]

I'm sure it'll look fine in the movie, Nolan's not a ******, he knows what looks good and what doesn't.

 

[magus]

I'm sure it'll look fine in the movie, Nolan's not a ******, he knows what looks good and what doesn't.

Insert comment about roadmap legs and Bat-bra here.

 

[DSET]

the lenses look okay they dont look good nor bad IMO

we still havent had a good look at them yet niether

1thing to remember is that they will hardly be used
it is confirmed that batman uses some

Spoiler

sort of new tech to locate people by there cell phones so he can see people through walls or something along thoose lines

so my guess is they will be seen for a minute topps

 

[Mandalore464]

I personally love the lenses.

1) He only uses them for a couple of scenes, or well, maybe more, but definitely not for the whole movie anyway, so it's no big deal.

2) Brings him closer to a comic book or BTAS look.

3) Looks hauntingly badass.

4) Any good actor will tell you that your body language is enough to bring a character to life. I'm not saying that having the most perfect body language and the fakest diction ever will get you an oscar, but just that not seeing his eyes should not be an issue in Bale's general performance.

 

[regwec]

So I woke up this morning...and I love the suit.

Just kidding. I still hate most of it.

You're well good. t:

 

[Mr. Earle]

I personally love the lenses.

1) He only uses them for a couple of scenes, or well, maybe more, but definitely not for the whole movie anyway, so it's no big deal.

2) Brings him closer to a comic book or BTAS look.

3) Looks hauntingly badass.

4) Any good actor will tell you that your body language is enough to bring a character to life. I'm not saying that having the most perfect body language and the fakest diction ever will get you an oscar, but just that not seeing his eyes should not be an issue in Bale's general performance.

Yeah, but you cant have batman's face fixed with that empty look. It only works for comics and animation because they move the lenses to express emotion.

 

[Mandalore464]

Yeah, but you cant have batman's face fixed with that empty look. It only works for comics and animation because they move the lenses to express emotion.

Although you have a point for saying that the writers/artists of the comics/BTAS Batman can use his eyes to carry emotion because of how the "lenses" (if lenses they are) get narrower or wider, it doesn't change a thing to what I said.

I said that actors don't necessarily need their eyes to convey appropriately an emotion. Using his limbs, posture, and his lower facial features, since they are still exposed, Bale or any other actor with talent would be able to provide a top notch performance. The fact that his eyes appear or not is irrelevant. So is the fact that the lenses don't change size.

I really don't think that just adding lenses to the Batsuit would in anyway deprive a good actor of his ability to act correctly.

 

[magus]

Although you have a point for saying that the writers/artists of the comics/BTAS Batman can use his eyes to carry emotion because of how the "lenses" (if lenses they are) get narrower or wider, it doesn't change a thing to what I said.

I said that actors don't necessarily need their eyes to convey appropriately an emotion. Using his limbs, posture, and his lower facial features, since they are still exposed, Bale or any other actor with talent would be able to provide a top notch performance. The fact that his eyes appear or not is irrelevant. So is the fact that the lenses don't change size.

I really don't think that just adding lenses to the Batsuit would in anyway deprive a good actor of his ability to act correctly.

I think the mere fact that Batman wouldn't be able to squint would kill that idea for me. Unless they go the way of using CGI for facial expressions, which kind of eliminates the point of having a good actor. Full-time lenses are really unnecessary for a Batman film and the minute or two we get of these is just a small nod to fans.

 

[Mandalore464]

Full-time lenses are really unnecessary for a Batman film and the minute or two we get of these is just a small nod to fans.

I never said they were necessary. I said that the fact they're here does NOT lessen the actor's performance.

 

[magus]

I never said they were necessary. I said that the fact they're here does NOT lessen the actor's performance.

He's not wearing them during any "performance." He wears them to use some sonar ability like in Batman Forever and then they go away.

 

[Pcan]

The white eyes (I'm guessing the sonar mode thing) are weird. Not in a bad way though. (I'm referring to the ones seen in tv spot 15)

 

[Mandalore464]

Do I really have to repeat myself once more? I mean, really... Read my posts.

Ok, one last time:

The fact that an actor's eyes are visible or not does not affect the general performance of said-actor.

THEREFORE, lenses on the cowl will not affect Bale's (or whoever else is playing Batman) performance. Meaning : It won't make the performance better or worse, and if the actor is not just a fake and has some talent, he will be able to portray the character just as well as if his eyes were visible.

The fact that the lenses appear in TDK for a split-second only has nothing to do with my point.

Oh and when you say that "He does not wear the lenses in any performance", you're wrong. The "performance" is "performed" every single second spent on-screen. Every appearance of any character in a movie is a performance.

 

[lujho]

I wouldn't say sonar - it's reminiscent of the "Sonar" suit from Forever but I doubt the function of the lenses has anything to do with sonar.

 

[Pcan]

Anyway, I'm glad that they make an appearance. It's like bringing the animated series to life for a moment.

 

[Saint]

I wouldn't say sonar - it's reminiscent of the "Sonar" suit from Forever but I doubt the function of the lenses has anything to do with sonar.

The production notes (donwloadable on the official site) describe them as "sonar-imaging lenses" that "allow Batman to see sonar images in 3D while masking his eyes behind glowing white shields." If you've seen the bluish-shot of Joker attacking the screen, I believe that's a POV of Batman using the lenses to find Joker in the dark. I suppose it's like Daredevil Vision.

Makes more sense than BF, I suppose, where he needed sonar lenses to throw a batarang a giant mechanical apparatus in plain view(?). Did he need to hit something within it? I was never really clear on that...

 

[Pcan]

Thanks, Saint. That makes sense.

 

[magus]

Do I really have to repeat myself once more? I mean, really... Read my posts.

Ok, one last time:

The fact that an actor's eyes are visible or not does not affect the general performance of said-actor.

Says who? You? We can argue all day about whether or not seeing Bale's eyes make a significant difference in his performance. Do lenses completely invalidate it? No. Do they lessen it? Maybe.

THEREFORE, lenses on the cowl will not affect Bale's (or whoever else is playing Batman) performance. Meaning : It won't make the performance better or worse, and if the actor is not just a fake and has some talent, he will be able to portray the character just as well as if his eyes were visible.

The fact that the lenses appear in TDK for a split-second only has nothing to do with my point.

It does because you are pulling your point out of your ass. There is no proof one way or the other that lenses would affect his performance. You can't simply say, "lenses have no effect" and it becomes true.

Oh and when you say that "He does not wear the lenses in any performance", you're wrong. The "performance" is "performed" every single second spent on-screen. Every appearance of any character in a movie is a performance.

That is true except when previous posters have argued that lenses would affect his "performance" they specifically referred to scenes displaying emotions: drama. Nobody cares if you can see Bale's eyes while he is in sonar mode; they care that you can see his expressions when he needs to emote. If you want to argue that Batman will be displaying a breadth of emotions in sonar mode then go ahead, but it is pretty obvious to see that when someone mentions the lenses hampering his performance they aren't talking about every single second spent on screen.