The Dark Knight Capes and Cowls - New Batsuit Discussion Thread

[TheDarkKnight08]

As much as I liked the movement that was gained from the Dark Knight suit, I still would've loved to see the Begins suit altered in the same ways. It was more menacing, sleeker and had the overall "hey that's a sweet batsuit" appeal.

Had the Begins suit been segmented, just as the DK suit, it would've allowed for mobility as well. Think of the Iron Man suit, several peices layered over one another, great mobility without seperated plates.

My concept is to keep the Begins suit, but seperate the major pivot areas and have them independant of eachother. Also, take the idea behind the DK cowl only maintain the panther like neck, just slim it down and have a two peice construction for the cowl.

If these colored areas were independant of eachother the suit would allowed for more mobility without the wrinkling or "puff."

The arms and stomach would be mounted to the undersuit, while the rib plated would attached over this, allowing for the stomach to bend, and the chest would secure over the rib plating. All would be seperated just enough to allow them to move over and behind one another for better movement. the idea came to me while looking at my Movie Masters Begins figure and seeing the segmented areas that allow the figure to move.

I love that paint job.

 

[Batman713]

IMO a badass scene would have been the sonar vision in IMAX... Joker just filling up a huge blue screen and lunging at Batman and hitting him....

 

[Steelsheen]

Yeah.... I'm not too sure about the lenses yet. It's good to know for absolute sure whether or not they're actually in the movie. They do look a little too round for my liking.

Actually somewhat similar to a manip I did a while back.

i really think your work is tops Bunk. have you sent them in yet? Nolan and group may not always acknowledge the fans, but it cant be denied that they do keep their ears pretty close to the ground for fan rumblings.

I actually thought the BB suit looked ridiculously bulky in TDK, compared to BB. I remember thinking "damn, was it really that big in the first film?"

First of all, I also think that the difference between Bale's body in the "push-ups scene" from BB and his body in TDK is not that big.

Yet it is true that there is a difference, and that the Begins suit would have been a bit loose if they had used it, especially when you consider that the Begins suit was probably used during the shooting before Bale had trimmed down and was thus adapted to his ninja training frame or maybe just a little smaller.

i agree with you on this. the BB suit was molded pretty early on, thats why they had to have Bale shrink from his "bear weight" to something more manageable to mold the suit from. its obvious that he got his shoulder and torso the right size, but Bale still had chicken legs from the weight loss he had with The Machinist. you can see it from the promo shots they had in BB.

I am still pretty sure that the Begins suit in TDK is scaled down, and this is more noticeable in the bank scene with Gordon.

I think they actually bothered creating other Begins suits for TDK. After all, when the Tumbler and Bat-Pod were displayed in Toronto, I remember the guy from Warner Bros said that the Tumbler was actually from Begins and the one from TDK was a bit different, suggesting they even built more Tumblers instead of using the ones from BB. If they could afford the cost and efforts of building other tumblers, they could probably afford those required to build a new suit as well.

i'm not sure if they would create a BB suit from scratch in TDK, but they could very well have tweaked it a bit. i'm thinking more along the lines of them reusing the mold then tweaking it down a few notches so that it doesnt look half as bulky on Bale. truthfully other than those in the museum i'm not sure if they even reuse the BB costumes for TDK. those are made of rubber right? and rubber has a limited shelf life.

I guess we're meant to assume that the the cowl is always meant to be like this - that the cowl comes up right to his eyes and thus he's not really wearing black make-up - both on Begins and on the TDK cowl.

Anyway, I'd be interested in seeing what the cowl would really cook like if it was like this the whole time and no eye makeup was worn - or if there were lenses put in to those smaller holes.

Indeed it is .

thats true, the cowls they use for when its not on Bale's head is different from the one he actually wears. other than the fact that it would hurt the area around his eyes, he'll look like he has to "peek though tiny slits", a hindrance if you're an actor relying on eyes to convey emotions.

As much as I liked the movement that was gained from the Dark Knight suit, I still would've loved to see the Begins suit altered in the same ways. It was more menacing, sleeker and had the overall "hey that's a sweet batsuit" appeal.

Had the Begins suit been segmented, just as the DK suit, it would've allowed for mobility as well. Think of the Iron Man suit, several peices layered over one another, great mobility without seperated plates.

My concept is to keep the Begins suit, but seperate the major pivot areas and have them independant of eachother. Also, take the idea behind the DK cowl only maintain the panther like neck, just slim it down and have a two peice construction for the cowl.

If these colored areas were independant of eachother the suit would allowed for more mobility without the wrinkling or "puff."

The arms and stomach would be mounted to the undersuit, while the rib plated would attached over this, allowing for the stomach to bend, and the chest would secure over the rib plating. All would be seperated just enough to allow them to move over and behind one another for better movement. the idea came to me while looking at my Movie Masters Begins figure and seeing the segmented areas that allow the figure to move.

hmm, so basically follow the action figure design? i think they sort of did that already for TDK-- by segmenting the armor (to borrow Fox's term) and using cloth between them. surely you dont want gaping spaces between the joints and the torso right?

 

[The Caped Knight]

IMO a badass scene would have been the sonar vision in IMAX... Joker just filling up a huge blue screen and lunging at Batman and hitting him....

IMO The Whole Sonar Action sequences were awesome . I love seeing the White lenses on a live action Batman .

 

[Steelsheen]

IMO The Whole Sonar Action sequences were awesome . I love seeing the White lenses on a live action Batman .

the sonar concept with the white lenses was a stroke of genius for Nolan and Co., most fanboys wished for it but didnt know how to add that in realistically other than "shades" the likes of the Spiderman mask.

but what i loved most about what Nolan did was that it showed both the good and the bad side of white lenses, and that they just didnt stop with one side of the argument.

 

[Saint]

the sonar concept with the white lenses was a stroke of genius for Nolan and Co., most fanboys wished for it but didnt know how to add that in realistically other than "shades" the likes of the Spiderman mask.

What? The people in this thread (and the ones that came before it) have been suggesting for years that Batman use retractable nightvision lenses, and nightvision is considerably more realistic than sonar lenses.

I don't know why you'd say something like this.

 

[Brian Braddock]

And besides, retractable sonar lenses arent exactly a revolutionary idea exclusive to the Nolan batfilms;

Kilmer had retractable sonar lenses in the 'sonar suit' for the climax of 'Batman Forever'; albeit that they werent white in appearance.

 

[lujho]

What? The people in this thread (and the ones that came before it) have been suggesting for years that Batman use retractable nightvision lenses, and nightvision is considerably more realistic than sonar lenses.

I don't know why you'd say something like this.

I suppose Nolan was the first to think of doing the head and neck of the cowl as two pieces too!

 

[The Caped Knight]

I suppose Nolan was the first to think of doing the head and neck of the cowl as two pieces too!

He the first to actually get the job done . And to be honest he damn good job of it too .

I'm thrilled that finally Batman can turn his head without have to move his shoulder of whole body in live action .

Nolan & his crew have done an admiral job in their adaptation of Batman .

 

[Saint]

I suppose Nolan was the first to think of doing the head and neck of the cowl as two pieces too!

Yes, and I imagine nobody had ever suggested armour over fabric before...

 

[PyroChamber]

I think I'd prefer the Begins suit than TDK suit. Sure TDK suit might be lighter making movement more easier and being able to move your head, but at the same times it had more vulnerable spots than the Begins suit which means you'd have to worry more about getting shot or stabbed.

 

[PyroChamber]

Double post

 

[Mr. Earle]

May i ask whats the general conscientious on the suit after watching the movie?

I think it looked great. Sure its no comic book batman but i think we ve gotten used to the movie look by now. Most of the time i didnt get the impression of cloth undersheath and pads, but rather of a......em....sturdly cloth type suit.
If that makes sence.

In other words, batman had the shape and movement he should always have had, without him looking robotic or spandex.

I really liked the suit when batman has the joker hanging upside down and they talk and i really like the fact that the suit is now black unlike begins where it sometimes looked ash-grey.

All in all i loved it and especially the cowl, though i wish he only had 3 fins instead of 6 (its not Shredder, its batman) on his gloves.

 

[Soundwave88]

I tried to tone a little bit the techy vibe from the suit and make it more animalistic ala begins style but still maintain the agility of the suit.

That is awesome!!

 

[lujho]

That is awesome!!

I like the simpler version of the Begins torso (but then It is my work, a little credit would have been nice).

One day I should do a manip of the Begins suit that simplifies it like this but uses the finished suit instead of the unpainted one.

 

[Nivek]

I really preferred the TDK suit, it's more or less what the Begins suit was originally described looking like back in 2004 (two piece cowl that Bale can turn his head with, armored sections, weird texture). I hope the next suit eliminates even more of the pointless rigid armor and has more cloth to it.

 

[obiwan]

I still don't get the puff comment made about the Begins suit .

Does this freaking pic of The Batsuit look puff ? It sure as hell doesn't to me . It look badass is more like it .

it may not look teh puffy in that picture, but in alot of others, and even the film itself, it did tend to look "big", especially teh creases lol. batman could prolly make a donut with his stomach with that suit.

 

[The Caped Knight]

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Both I and Batman disagree with you . Good Bye !!!!!

 

[jarve]

Why on earth do they keep using that velvety material for a cape? It looks like a bath robe. I think they should stick with something the texture as the majority of the suit.

 

[DAMU RYDER]

I noticed both suits in both films looked the best at the last scene in each movie. Does anybody agree?

 

[zmystico]

Why on earth do they keep using that velvety material for a cape? It looks like a bath robe. I think they should stick with something the texture as the majority of the suit.

I love the cape, especially in Begins when he would let the cape envelope him...totally kickbutt. The last thing Batman needs is more texture on his suit.

 

[BatJeff7786]

I noticed both suits in both films looked the best at the last scene in each movie. Does anybody agree?

I don't disagree, but I did notice that in BB, the suit still looks good, but in the opening of TDK it looks kind of crappy. I wonder if they did that on purpose.

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

I don't disagree, but I did notice that in BB, the suit still looks good, but in the opening of TDK it looks kind of crappy. I wonder if they did that on purpose.

I think they did, just to show how torn and worn down it was, so Bruce would be in need of a new one.

 

[Conebone69]

I think the suit looks tight there

 

[DAMU RYDER]

I don't disagree, but I did notice that in BB, the suit still looks good, but in the opening of TDK it looks kind of crappy. I wonder if they did that on purpose.

I agree the suit looked really bad in the beginning.