Captain America:The Chosen

[Fantasyartist]

I've just read "Captain America: The Chosen". Although seeing "visions" isn't unusual for soldiers on the battlefield( my personal favourite is "The Angel of Mons" in which British and German troops saw-or claim to have seen- a heavenly host during WWI) to claim to have seen "visions"(usually of a revered statesman/religious leader/saint/angel)( although I have heard of claims of such visions even in Nazi concentration camps or Stalin era Gulags), it IS unusual to say the least, to have claim to have seen a "superhero"( most of all the hero who most of all personifies America) to appear, fighting alongside a Marine corporal in Afghanistan(why not Iraq to make it more topical?)
Either Cap is dead or he isn't!( Please no resurrections- they are barely credible enough with DC's "Man Of Steel" and he is an alien not a deity. Cap is neither- just an enhanced human, but still a human!)
Anybody think as I do?

Terry

 

[Ikaris-Eternal]

no offense, but what is your point here?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't know, but I'm all for Cap's resurrection. Brubaker's writing good stories without Cap, but that can only last for so long. I want Steve Rogers back eventually.

 

[yenaled]

I thought The Chosen was out of continuity so it really doesn't matter.

 

[PhotoJones]

All I know about The Chosen is that the art is wonderful, and on one of the pages, I saw a Cap hooked up to tubes and machines, keeping him alive after a mission, with a thumbs up. That was enough to keep me from buying it.

 

[DoomJester]

I thought the Chosen was very good. You can check what I said in bought/thought for the week it was released. I really like that you get a different view of Cap, as a true super-soldier, super hero. He isn't just one of many heroes (in the comic sense-- I believe our soldiers on the field are absolutely heroes)-- he is a force of his own. I loved the way he turned the battle around when he appeared. And I thought the treatment of the war was very nice.

It wasn't the most exciting issue I've ever read, but I am looking forward to more. I really want to know what is going on with Cap's body!

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Cap was a tide-turning badass in the 616 WWII as well.

 

[Steve Rogers]

Well as my name suggests, I'm down for any Cap title.

 

[PhotoJones]

Even if it's under the control of Liefeld? Steve Rogers is a better American than I.

 

[Steve Rogers]

Even if it's under the control of Liefeld? Steve Rogers is a better American than I.

Hey, if I don't like it, I don't like it. But at least it's a title with Captain America alive in it. Cap's death in the 616 Universe is why I've been embracing Ultimate Cap. I need my Cap fix. I am a junkie.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Wow, Ultimate Cap is enough for you? 616 Cap could stay dead forever and I'd still hate that authoritarian *****ebag.

 

[PhotoJones]

I love how Millar writes him to be the biggest *****ebag ever to reflect his views on America's foreign policy, and the neo-cons eat it up while the metaphor goes completely over their heads.

 

[Steve Rogers]

Wow, Ultimate Cap is enough for you? 616 Cap could stay dead forever and I'd still hate that authoritarian *****ebag.

I never said he was enough for me. I read anything with Captain America in it. The 616 Cap is of course my favorite version of the character but that doesn't mean I have to boycott another version.

 

[Steve Rogers]

What can I say people? I'm open minded.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I never said he was enough for me. I read anything with Captain America in it. The 616 Cap is of course my favorite version of the character but that doesn't mean I have to boycott another version.

I just find it sad that people like Ultimate Cap without realizing he's supposed to be ironic. Not you, necessarily, just in general.

 

[Steve Rogers]

I just find it sad that people like Ultimate Cap without realizing he's supposed to be ironic. Not you, necessarily, just in general.

Ultimate Cap, ironic? Yeah, but I think that's the point of the Ultimates as a whole. They're like the Anti-Avengers. I can't remember the ending of Ultimates 2, but isn't Cap starting to realize that his and the Avengers actions are not always right? They are showing Cap as flawed and learning as opposed to being perfect all the time. I give Marvel kudos for having the balls to explore that approach.

 

[Darthphere]

I thought The Chosen was out of continuity so it really doesn't matter.

It was supposed to be a The End story.

 

[Kitsune]

I love how Millar writes him to be the biggest *****ebag ever to reflect his views on America's foreign policy, and the neo-cons eat it up while the metaphor goes completely over their heads.

Wait.... he's worse that 616 Stark?

 

[Darthphere]

I love how Millar writes him to be the biggest *****ebag ever to reflect his views on America's foreign policy, and the neo-cons eat it up while the metaphor goes completely over their heads.

SlimDog.

 

[DoomJester]

I personally love Ultimate Cap, and like him a lot more than 616 Cap. I don't agree completely with Millar's politics, but I do like Millar and I really like that he took the time to write some layering into the series and the characters. Although I disagree that Cap is complete jerk in the Ultimates-- I think it is more that he has been frozen in ice since WW2, wakes up in what is a very different America. That alone would make anyone easy.

Also, you have to watch out how you associate the characters because under photojones2's reasoning, a parallel argument would be that Ultimate Thor is all crazy (I know he is a Norse god but he is still crazy) cause liberals are crazy and aren't to be taken seriously. I doubt the characters were written with a certain disposition because of their political views.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

No, you're just oversimplifying it. Ultimate Cap is an exaggerated parody of the neocons and Ultimate Thor is an exaggerated parody of the hippy green liberals. All parodies have some kind of exaggeration to them. If they didn't, they'd just be boring replicas of the thing they're trying to make fun of.

 

[Steve Rogers]

I personally love Ultimate Cap, and like him a lot more than 616 Cap.

Oh my. They are going to tear you a new one.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't care if people like Ultimate Cap. The Ultimates' delays keep it from being much of a threat in sales to anything anyway, so it doesn't really matter if they're more popular than their 616 counterparts.

 

[PhotoJones]

Wait.... he's worse that 616 Stark?

I'd say so. I doubt Tony has that blind, red neck patriotism like Unverse Cap does. He seems like he'd follow anything with an American flag, kinda like what

SlimDog.

does.

 

[DoomJester]

Well I think the main difference with 616 Stark and U Cap is that Cap can be seen as a product of his times-- meaning that if you happen to not like U Cap then it is because he is very uncritical of his own beliefs and therefore "follows blindly." We've all heard that leveled at people before.

If you happen to dislike Stark, it seems that contrary to being a blind follower like Cap, Stark actively seeks out ways to enforce his own visions of power (like the Reg Act).

Personally, I feel that Stark is worse in that sense. Although I personally have no feelings for Tony either way, and don't actually think he was the "villain" of Civil War.