Captain Marvel Captain Marvel costume thread

[Snow Queen]

Actually Thor did fight shirtlessonce against Apocolypse in the comics with his Axe Jarnjarborwhatever. But that's besides the point.


Nothing says the hero can't look attractive while fighting.

Her not showing skin doesn't suddenly make her unattractive and the one piece suit doesn't fit her character on top of other issues.

 

[ernesth100]

What suit did she debut with then? Just adapt that.

 

[Havok83]

Carol is a flying brick and respected military officer. She is not a character reliant on her sex appeal. The traditional bathing suit look simply doesn't fit who the character is and how she acts.

yet for most of her comic career, she's worn costumes which have accentuated her body. Her costume was about empowerment. She was this major threat and force and she was so irrespective of how she looked. Her sexuality wasnt something she needed to hide behind in order to go toe to toe with the big boys.

What suit did she debut with then? Just adapt that.

 

[Snow Queen]

 

[ernesth100]

Hell yes. *ahem*
I mean, no.

 

[MbJ]

Because for some people, female heroes looking "sexy" is the MOST important element of their costume. It's all about physical appearance, and other things like making them look credible as heroes are secondary to giving fans wank material. Hence the obsession with BW's haircut on the Avengers boards.

I can't even go into certain threads on this site anymore because it's a bunch of people posting unrelated risque photos of the actresses and talking about how horny they're getting.

On topic, the bathing suit is really doubtful. Pretty much across the board they've been going for stuff that looks more functional than flashy or comic accurate. You can see how Cap's Avengers suit was flashier and closer to the comics but was then ditched for more practical gear in the subsequent films.

So I don't see them putting her in a bathing suit and thigh high boots just because "It looks sexy". In fact, them using the Cap name instead of Ms. is probably a big indication that they're gonna go the girl power route here.

 

[Snow Queen]

yet for most of her comic career, she's worn costumes which have accentuated her body. Her costume was about empowerment. She was this major threat and force and she was so irrespective of how she looked. Her sexuality wasnt something she needed to hide behind in order to go toe to toe with the big boys.

So do a whole lot, if not most, female characters in comics and I think it's pretty telling that those costumes are often designed by men. Her sexuality isn't something she's hiding because she doesn't run around in a bathing suit any more than Captain America, Iron Man and others are hiding theirs because they aren't fighting in speedos. Nor is fighting in a one piece bathing suit somehow more empowering than fighting in a costume like she wears now.

 

[Havok83]

So do a whole lot, if not most, female characters and I think it's pretty telling that those costumes are often designed by men. Her sexuality isn't something she's hiding because she doesn't run around in a bathing suit any more than Captain America, Iron Man and others are hiding theirs because they aren't fighting in speedos. Nor is fighting in a one piece bathing suit somehow more empowering than fighting in a costume like she wears now.

There are female heroes that are traditionally more covered up (Sue Storm, Jean Grey, Black Widow) just as there are heroes who arent (Hulk, Colossus, Namor). It goes both ways. I think people put too much weight into what she is wearing. I never felt Carol was any less of a character or heroine bc she had a costume that resembled a bathing suit. Her costume didnt define her. She was still the strong powerhouse before and after donning it

 

[Mike Murdock]

yet for most of her comic career, she's worn costumes which have accentuated her body. Her costume was about empowerment. She was this major threat and force and she was so irrespective of how she looked. Her sexuality wasnt something she needed to hide behind in order to go toe to toe with the big boys.

That costume was criticized at the time.

However, since that costume and her Captain Marvel costume share a lot of similarities, I suspect they'll choose that over the Lightning Bolt costume. But, since she's called Captain Marvel, I suspect they'll lean towards her modern costume rather than any Ms. Marvel costume.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

So do a whole lot, if not most, female characters in comics and I think it's pretty telling that those costumes are often designed by men.

Not just designed by men, but also for a young male audience. As a result they were designed to be eye-candy far more than they were designed to be functional and realistic. That is changing, and notice that when Marvel started getting serious about pushing her as a top hero (as opposed to the relatively minor role she has played for most of her comic book career), they changed the costume very quickly.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

There is also the practicality of the costume. Pants can hide things like padding and bruises. It makes it significantly easier on the actresses and stuntwomen than having completely exposed legs. Carol Danvers may be invulnerable, but the women playing her aren't.

 

[Havok83]

Not just designed by men, but also for a young male audience. As a result they were designed to be eye-candy far more than they were designed to be functional and realistic. That is changing, and notice that when Marvel started getting serious about pushing her as a top hero (as opposed to the relatively minor role she has played for most of her comic book career), they changed the costume very quickly.

Thats not true. Marvel has been trying to make Carol happen for YEARS. They gave her another solo (Ms. Marvel v2), made her leader of the Avengers (Mighty) and had her appearing in promotional material and representing the group in crossover appearances in other titles. She was arguably the company's lead female last decade, at least they wanted her to be. This was all done while wearing her signature lightning costume. Her current costume only came about 3 years ago, long after she became relevant in the books again

 

[Snow Queen]

There are female heroes that are traditionally more covered up (Sue Storm, Jean Grey, Black Widow) just as there are heroes who arent (Hulk, Colossus, Namor). It goes both ways. I think people put too much weight into what she is wearing. I never felt Carol was any less of a character or heroine bc she had a costume that resembled a bathing suit. Her costume didnt define her. She was still the strong powerhouse before and after donning it

She's not a weaker character, but her costume is solely eye candy and impractical, not to mention doesn't make sense for her character. I'm not familiar with Namor and Colossus (past his extremely brief appearances in the X-Men films), but Hulk has a far better reason for going shirtless than Widow does for leaving her zipper down her chest and Carol running around in a one piece or bikini bottoms.

I'm curious here, what's your gender? I'm assuming you're a man from your username being a male character (assuming you mean the X-Men character) but my assumption could be incorrect and I want to be sure for the point I would like to make.

 

[Havok83]

She's not a weaker character, but her costume is solely eye candy and impractical, not to mention doesn't make sense for her character. I'm not familiar with Namor and Colossus (past his extremely brief appearances in the X-Men films), but Hulk has a far better reason for going shirtless than Widow does for leaving her zipper down her chest and Carol running around in a one piece or bikini bottoms.

I'm curious here, what's your gender? I'm assuming you're a man from your username being a male character (assuming you mean the X-Men character) but my assumption could be incorrect and I want to be sure for the point I would like to make.

Im male.

Namor has worn many variations of this

and thats Collossus' classic costume which he just went back to

 

[Snow Queen]

Im male.

Namor has worn many variations of this

and thats Collossus' classic costume which he just went back to

Well then, I want to revist a previous point of yours:

Her costume was about empowerment.

You talk about how it's about empowerment, perhaps though you should be asking women what's empowering to them? I would think that women would be the ones able to say what's empowering to women rather than men. And I have yet to see any women in here asking for either the one piece swimsuit or the bikini bottoms costumes and talking about how empowering they are.

I'm aware of their costumes, what I meant is I don't know enough about those characters to say if these costumes make sense for them (again, Hulk makes sense as to why he doesn't have a shirt and we need him to wear pants for obvious reasons, for example). Carol's costume doesn't make sense for her character like her current one does, not to mention the new one is just better from a visual perspective. Namor at least is a water based character from the little I know, so at least wearing what he does makes some sense in that regard and, as I understand it, he's been on land a lot recently and also has a new costume. Colossus, again, I also don't know, I also don't like that costume so *shrugs* I prefer the Ultimate costume visually though.

 

[Havok83]

Well then, I want to revist a previous point of yours:


You talk about how it's about empowerment, perhaps though you should be asking women what's empowering to them? I would think that women would be the ones able to say what's empowering to women rather than men. And I have yet to see any women in here asking for either the one piece swimsuit or the bikini bottoms costumes and talking about how empowering they are.

I'm aware of their costumes, what I meant is I don't know enough about those characters to say if these costumes make sense for them (again, Hulk makes sense as to why he doesn't have a shirt and we need him to wear pants for obvious reasons, for example). Carol's costume doesn't make sense for her character like her current one does, not to mention the new one is just better from a visual perspective. Namor at least is a water based character from the little I know, so at least wearing what he does makes some sense in that regard and, as I understand it, he's been on land a lot recently and also has a new costume. Colossus, again, I also don't know, I also don't like that costume so *shrugs* I prefer the Ultimate costume visually though.

Im going by Claremont who was Ms. Marvel's writer when her costume got changed. Female empowerment is a theme that is consistent across most of the books he pens, especially in the 70s/80s. He obviously didnt draw it, but he collaborated with Cockrum to revamp her character and look

Im not sure there is a reason why Colossus is in booty shorts. I prefer his costumes which have pants myself.

 

[Snow Queen]

Im going by Claremont who was Ms. Marvel's writer when her costume got changed. Female empowerment is a theme that is consistent across most of the books he pens, especially in the 70s/80s. He obviously didnt draw it, but he collaborated with Cockrum to revamp her character and look

Im not sure there is a reason why Colossus is in booty shorts. I prefer his costumes which have pants myself.

And still, have you noticed the lack of women here (at least all of the ones I've seen here) asking for the costume that's supposedly empowering? Though it may have been his intent, he's still able to make mistakes no matter how good a writer he is (and he's a great writer, don't get me wrong). Clairemont's was an improvement (not that it's difficult to be better than that one), but it still fails at being empowering like he seems to have wanted. Again, there are women in this thread, maybe instead of taking what a guy said is empowering to women as true, you should be asking the women here.

 

[Havok83]

And still, have you noticed the lack of women here (at least all of the ones I've seen here) asking for the costume that's supposedly empowering? Though it may have been his intent, he's still able to make mistakes no matter how good a writer he is (and he's a great writer, don't get me wrong). Clairemont's was an improvement (not that it's difficult to be better than that one), but it still fails at being empowering like he seems to have wanted. Again, there are women in this thread, maybe instead of taking what a guy said is empowering to women as true, you should be asking the women here.

not really. I dont know the genders of everyone here. Its not something Ive really thought about

 

[ernesth100]

Are there actually any females on this website?

 

[Snow Queen]

Are there actually any females on this website?

Yes. Myself, FlickChick, kvz5, Feenix, I SEE SPIDEY, Mrs. Kent, Mad Ones, Tempest, Kelly, ComicChick, Golgo-13 and others.

 

[flickchick85]

Are there actually any females on this website?

Plenty.

And you'll find the current Captain Marvel comics also have a very devoted female following called the Carol Corps that didn't exist until a few years ago when Kelly Sue DeConnick revamped the character into someone actually empowered rather than the male-gaze-y version of "empowered" she was before. That version of the character, the one in the bathing suit, was the victim of one of the absolute worst rape storylines in all of comics, and was later made into an alcoholic in a sad attempt to add depth to a basic "badass chick" male fantasy figure. DeConnick finally turned her into a relatable character women would actually want to BE. Just like what the best male heroes are to the male readers. And that change very much includes how she chooses to dress.

 

[Snow Queen]

Plenty.

And you'll find the current Captain Marvel comics also have a very devoted female following called the Carol Corps that didn't exist until a few years ago when Kelly Sue DeConnick revamped the character into someone actually empowered rather than the male-gaze-y version of "empowered" she was before. That version of the character, the one in the bathing suit, was the victim of one of the absolute worst rape storylines in all of comics, and was later made into an alcoholic in a sad attempt to add depth to a basic "badass chick" male fantasy figure. DeConnick finally turned her into a relatable character women would actually want to BE. Just like what the best male heroes are to the male readers. And that change very much includes how she chooses to dress.

 

[Steamteck]

Her not showing skin doesn't suddenly make her unattractive and the one piece suit doesn't fit her character on top of other issues.

No Reason she can't be attractive in an outfit comparable to male heroes. I'm hearing all the time how good Superman, Thor etc look. Probably should be in something a real women wouldn't mind wearing any more than a real man would mind wearing the male heroes costumes.

 

[BoredGuy]

Carol's character definitely doesn't make sense as the sexy-empowerment type, IMO
Certain characters I think it works for, like Emma Frost, Elektra, Psylocke, Those characters who have been show to use their sexuality as an advantage
it also works for those who have no connection to American beliefs on decency, like Storm (at first), Power Girl, Angela, etc.

but any sort of military character, like CM, Abigail Brand, Maria Hill or Star Sapphire
or any younger characters, like Kitty, Magik, or Starfire (after the teen titans cartoon made her a children's hero) those people it doesn't work for

the default costumes should be the same for men or women, but if there are then occasional characters who like to show off some skin, because it is in character, whether men or women, it's totally acceptable

In modern costume design, CM is one of my favorites, along with Kris Anka's designs for the female X-Men team

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I would love it if the movie used the black lightening bolt costume but in no way should it have the "bathing suit" qualities that the comic book version had. I would heavily alter it to make it "big budget movie" worthy, including putting some damn pants on it. Having Carol's ass and thighs being naked for a majority of a superhero movie that is gonna be marketed to kids and be notable for being Marvel's first female lead production would be a horrendous misstep. Especially in today's hyper PC world.