Sequels Cast The Sinister Six

[Spiderine]

Well of course those ideas are stupid. The only way Sinister Six could work is if they took control of New York City. It'd be like Die Hard.

Add that to stupid ideas. Sinister Six on film doesn't work period.

 

[Blader5489]

Well of course those ideas are stupid. The only way Sinister Six could work is if they took control of New York City. It'd be like Die Hard.

Which isn't Spider-Man.

The Sinister Six is just another one of those ideas that works better on paper than on film. Besides, the individual villains work better in their own movies rather than cramming them all into one.

 

[GoldGoblin]

What if the members are like super soldiers of different types that the military has created from thugs who use to live in N.Y.

Then when there mind control device short circuits,there all free,no longer a team anymore.But because there all thugs,and there all from N.Y. they go back to the city,but now each one has major power.

The Sinister Six could just be a name that the military calls them.You could just make one or two of them major villains,while the other four or five wouldn't need any back stories at all,since we would know that there just some thugs who became the way they are because of the military,we could get to see spidey have more fights through out the movie this way.

And spidey finds out what they are after spidey takes out the first villain,because the military shows up to take the villain away,and explains to spidey what they are,and how there are five more of them.

 

[Arcturus]

Which isn't Spider-Man.

The Sinister Six is just another one of those ideas that works better on paper than on film. Besides, the individual villains work better in their own movies rather than cramming them all into one.

I agree Blader, I don't even know how S6 could work. People complained about SM3 being crammed, well if you have S6...well then, I don't even have to explain.

 

[ThatDamnNinja]

I agree Blader, I don't even know how S6 could work. People complained about SM3 being crammed, well if you have S6...well then, I don't even have to explain.

I was being a little tongue-in-cheek when I said "It'd be like Die Hard." The only element that would be really similar would be the surface level plot and the fact that Spider-Man has to beat a much larger group of foes by using his wits and whatnot. Spider-Man 3 felt crammed, not because it had too many villains, but because it had too many storylines. Not every villain in the Sinister Six would have a real storyline and origin. I mean, the first X-Men movie didn't feel overstuffed. It had four villains.

 

[Blader5489]

I was being a little tongue-in-cheek when I said "It'd be like Die Hard." The only element that would be really similar would be the surface level plot and the fact that Spider-Man has to beat a much larger group of foes by using his wits and whatnot. Spider-Man 3 felt crammed, not because it had too many villains, but because it had too many storylines. Not every villain in the Sinister Six would have a real storyline and origin. I mean, the first X-Men movie didn't feel overstuffed. It had four villains.

And only two of them had any kind of presence. In any case, what you're suggesting is a serious step down from the previous films, where the villains were actual characters.

My biggest problem with a Sinister Six film is that there is nothing personal about it; there is no kind of personal journey in fighting six villains who, for the most part, have been rehashed from previous films.

 

[ThatDamnNinja]

And only two of them had any kind of presence. In any case, what you're suggesting is a serious step down from the previous films, where the villains were actual characters.

My biggest problem with a Sinister Six film is that there is nothing personal about it; there is no kind of personal journey in fighting six villains who, for the most part, have been rehashed from previous films.

Your points are valid... and I'm acknowledging that it would be VERY difficult to pull off.

But people seem to think that either ALL of the members of the Sinister Six have backstories and origins and personal connections to Peter, or NONE of them do.

Now, I'm not saying Sinister Six is the way to go, but if they did, they'd have to do certain things. First, they couldn't have the original lineup. If Kraven shows up in the movie with Lizard, he'll almost certainly die. He's out. Sandman and Doc Ock aren't really reasonable either, especially since, even if you COULD devise a plausible explanation for their return, showing that would eat up a good chunk of screen time. You can't just bring one of those guys back and expect him not to be the dramatic focus. So, of the original lineup, that leaves Electro, Vulture, and Mysterio.

Secondly, you'd have to set it up over the course of the movies before it. You couldn't just put the whole story together in one movie. The leader (let's say Hobgoblin) would have to be developed over the course of the trilogy, which could be done. At least one of them could be a featured villain in, say, Spider-man 5 (or 6, assuming that this would be Spider-Man 7, probably titled The Amazing Spider-Man, and not taking advantage of the whole "6" thing). The one that doesn't die, let's say. Let's say that Mysterio, coming back from a Scorpion/Mysterio Spider-Man 5, where Scorpion (who was the main dramatic focus) dies. Okay. Hobgoblin and Mysterio are set-up, and Mysterio won't need that much dramatic attention. He's not going to have any life-changing epiphanies, and, while he's not just a background character, doesn't need much more focus. Then, two of the guys can essentially be minions on par with Toad and Sabertooth. Let's say Rhino and Shocker (or Chameleon). They won't take much focus.

So, so far, we have Hobgoblin, Mysterio, Rhino, and Shocker (or Chameleon). That's four. By themselves, they won't eat up too much focus. The next two guys are, of course, Electro and Vulture. Vulture could be introduced as a character in the previous film, but become the Vulture here. He would receive about the same amount of attention as Mysterio. He'll be the most difficult one to balance.

And the last guy is Electro. The true star of the show. He's the dramatic focus, and the headliner. He's the one who can cause the most destruction, and the one who would undergo the most character development. And I won't repeat my whole spiel about how Electro could be done, because everyone who cares to read it probably has. But that's how he could be done. And essentially, what you end up having, is Hobgoblin and Electro as your star villains, Mysterio and Vulture as your second-tier, and Rhino and Shocker (or Chameleon) as your third-tier henchman guys with no real development.

And yes, I know, that's a B-rate Sinister Six. I'm not sure Sinister Six should be done, but I'm fairly certain it COULD be done, and if they did, they'd be the (or rather, a) way to go.

 

[Blader5489]

That seems really unnecessary though. If you wanted to make Electro the main focus, then why not just do a film with Electro and someone else (like the Vulture)? Doing that would be considerably less complicated and give more breathing room for Electro and Vulture (just as an example of the 2nd villain) to develop.

I understand what kind of character you envision in Electro, and I agree with it, but I think cramming five other villains in there would cannibalize Electro's screen time, which is crucial if he is meant to be the main dramatic focus of the film.

And you know, you still need to focus a lot of the story on Peter and his story too.

 

[ThatDamnNinja]

That seems really unnecessary though. If you wanted to make Electro the main focus, then why not just do a film with Electro and someone else (like the Vulture)? Doing that would be considerably less complicated and give more breathing room for Electro and Vulture (just as an example of the 2nd villain) to develop.

I understand what kind of character you envision in Electro, and I agree with it, but I think cramming five other villains in there would cannibalize Electro's screen time, which is crucial if he is meant to be the main dramatic focus of the film.

And you know, you still need to focus a lot of the story on Peter and his story too.

Your points are totally valid. Personally, I think that Vulture/Electro would be a fine way to conclude the series. I just think that Sinister Six COULD work (if handled properly; though it would be difficult), and no one else seems to think that Electro/Vulture would be an epic enough conclusion to the series, despite the fact that, of all of Spidey's villains, Electro is the one that, at the end of the day, can kill thousands of people at one time by sheer will (we're talking a supercharged Electro, but still). You couldn't conclude with Scorpion/Mysterio or Lizard/Kraven... there wouldn't be enough in danger. Electro's the best villain to end with, because he's the one with which you get the highest stakes.

Personally, I'd rather have that than Sinister Six, but hey, people still don't think it's a good way to end the series.

 

[GoldGoblin]

"Fantastic Four:Rise of the Silver Surfer" had six major characters with superpowers in that movie,and it didn't feel crowded at all.

 

[Blader5489]

Personally, I'd rather have that than Sinister Six, but hey, people still don't think it's a good way to end the series.

Well, to be honest, I don't think Electro/Vulture is a good way to end the series either; I'd rather see that in SM5. Personally, I would like for someone like Carnage to be in SM6. Certainly not the 616 Carnage, but something along the lines of a Sin-Eater/Ultimate Carnage/Tendril hybrid.

"Fantastic Four:Rise of the Silver Surfer" had six major characters with superpowers in that movie,and it didn't feel crowded at all.

Because only one of them was actually new, the other five were established in the first movie.

 

[GoldGoblin]

Because only one of them was actually new, the other five were established in the first movie.

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Exactly,they still have SM4 & SM5 to establish four of them,two for each one of those movies.Then in SM6 only one or two villains would be new,and it would be just like FF2 movie.

 

[Arcturus]

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Exactly,they still have SM4 & SM5 to establish four of them,two for each one of those movies.Then in SM6 only one or two villains would be new,and it would be just like FF2 movie.

So you want it to be a failure like FF2?

 

[GoldGoblin]

So you want it to be a failure like FF2?

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It would only be a failure if they made every villain out of the six a main villain.You only have like two of them as the main villains,and the other four are taken out by spidey pretty quickly throughout the movie,kinda like cameos for the fans.

Like spidey taking out the Rhino in a one or two minute fight.