Characters damaged beyond repair?

[Tropico]

Marvel? I thought it was an indy?

 

[Artistsean]

It was already done and it's one of the reasons why it's ludicrous to accuse Cap of being out of touch with the times.

They could do it again, I mean they just killed Aunt May again, and they have had Captain America become dissenchanted before. They can do it again.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Marvel? I thought it was an indy?

Bah, it did start out under some publisher called "Aircel." It moved to Marvel at some point, though. Mile High Comics has a bunch of MiB comics with the Marvel logo on the covers.

 

[Eddie Brock]

MiB was a comic before the movie?
hmm....i learn something new every day

 

[hippie_hunter]

Captain America didn't surrender because he was afraid of losing; he was winning. But he saw that he was ultimately wrong, and so he stopped. Within the parameters of the story, that's the correct action. I don't see the problem. He shouldn't be so obsessed with winning that he overlooks what he's actually fighting for.

I don't really believe that any character is damaged beyond repair.

Captain America was only winning that fight because of Vision. The Superhuman Task Force should have won the battle regardless considering that they had Clor, Iron Man, Wonder Man, Captain Marvel, the Sentry, Ms. Marvel, Mr. Fantastic, She-Hulk, and an army of supervillains.

 

[Artistsean]

What they were trying to imply is that Captain America was winning because he is a genious stratigist. He has been through wars before and became leader of the Avengers because he is a good leader and knows how to handle himself in battle. He set the whole final battle up and the Pro Regs weren't ready for it. Cap and his team were also fighting dirty. (I still don't think he would have let it be taken to the streets though).
Cap was winning the fight with Tony because of the Vision but there were so many other fights going on, and Cap had Namor and the Atlantians who were ready for war. Plus he had just as many Anti Reg heroes and I think some villians on his side too. maybe not so many powerhouses though.
And I do think that with Sentry and Captain Marvel it would have been a little different. Maybe Cap should have had Silver Surfer. But Clor was defeated by Herculese, someone who I think beat Thor and Clor is only have as strong and doesn't have the hammer.

I actually think that the battle would have suddenly stopped. Everyone would have turned around and said "Hey Captain Marvel is alive."

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I must've missed where Tony and Reed got lobotomies that totally decimated their statistics, strategy, and rationality skills.

Either way. And I'm somewhat suprised nobody has made a mention of this before, but.... Why the hell does Vision still have phasing powers? The Kang suit never showed such ability before.

And actually, the Pro Regs WERE ready, and at least had one backup plan (though I still argue there was more than two forces at hand). If they weren't, they would've been overcome altogether, and not at some form of stalemate at the end.

 

[Tropico]

I must've missed where Tony and Reed got lobotomies that totally decimated their statistics, strategy, and rationality skills.

Either way. And I'm somewhat suprised nobody has made a mention of this before, but.... Why the hell does Vision still have phasing powers? The Kang suit never showed such ability before.

And actually, the Pro Regs WERE ready, and at least had one backup plan (though I still argue there was more than two forces at hand). If they weren't, they would've been overcome altogether, and not at some form of stalemate at the end.

It's had the phasing ability since the YA days. Did you read the YA/Runaways crossover? Because the phasing was also displayed there.

 

[Sloth7d]

I really wonder why some people have a hard time accepting that the Pro-side was losing that fight. Bad writting sure. But you can't argue that the pro side was winning or was going to make a comeback, because that wasn't the way Millar was writing it.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It's had the phasing ability since the YA days. Did you read the YA/Runaways crossover? Because the phasing was also displayed there.

Vision II's phasing ability was arguably displayed in his very first appearance, as well:

I think it's pretty obviously implied that Kang swung his sword and Vision Jr. phased so that the blade passed right through him.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I really wonder why some people have a hard time accepting that the Pro-side was losing that fight. Bad writting sure. But you can't argue that the pro side was winning or was going to make a comeback, because that wasn't the way Millar was writing it.

We aren't saying that, we're saying that the Pro-Reg side should have won that fight just like they did in Civil War #3/4

 

[Kevin]

Nah, I like better that Anti won the fight, but Pro won the war. Just made sense.

 

[Sloth7d]

We aren't saying that, we're saying that the Pro-Reg side should have won that fight just like they did in Civil War #3/4

Yeah, they should have. Too many big leaguers against too little street levelers. But somehow everything went backwards.
The proside losing the actual battle, with the anti's losing the moral battle.
I really thought that would be vise versa.

 

[Specter313]

X-Men. Whipped dogs. Fencesitters who only deserve bupkiss. Professor X is a hypocrite. Cable has finally caught up with his old age.

I agree about the X-Men, I mean I am not sure why they weren't involved (I heard they are all registered for some reason, sounds lame) but they should have been at the front of the Anti Registration line, side by side with Captain America. That would have been awesome, seeing Cyclops taking orders from Cap. Or Wolverine and Cap talking about battle plans.

If you want to blame someone about the X-Men's non-involvement, blame Millar. He said flat out in an interview towards the beginning of the event that he kept them out because "it would be hard for the fights to be even because either side that had them on it would automatically win", or some such nonsense. Also, Joey Q said that this event wasn't supposed to be about them since they had their glory in the House of M event. Either way, there's no way that them having practically zero involvement in CW would ruin them beyond repair. In fact, it more or less saved most of them from having any damage. Even most of the mutants who were involved weren't that harmed. Wolverine's tie-in's had practically no effect on the overall outcome of the event. Storm's been going downhill since before CW with Reggie's writing, and nothing that happened in CW did much to change that either way. The only X-Man, or former I should say, that suffered any damage from this would be Bishop. He went against the word of his teammates to not get involved in the overall fight, fought his then former teammates, took a position with ONE; an organization that has been a thorn in the side of the X-Men since M-day, and then fought against the resistence heroes apparently without having all the info, as evidence in CW #7. It's going to be hard to let him come back to the X-Men after this, without a writer just flat out ignoring this kind of betrayal that he went through.

And yes, the X-Men and the majority of the mutant population is already registered with the government, thanks to the whole Decimation thing, where ONE rounded up all the surviving mutants they could find and registered them at that time.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Haha, Millar said that? So, basically he thinks that some X-Men would choose one side and some would choose the other, just like every other team. Right, because the X-Men would never disagree on something. They're so tight-knit and all.

 

[Specter313]

Haha, Millar said that? So, basically he thinks that some X-Men would choose one side and some would choose the other, just like every other team. Right, because the X-Men would never disagree on something. They're so tight-knit and all.

Yeah, it's rather ridiculous. And actually, when he said it, he made it sound like they all would have stuck together on one side, and that would make it hard for the battles to be even or something like that. Yet, he can put characters like Sentry, Captain Marvel, and a clone of Thor on the pro-reg side and that won't make it look uneven? Try again.

 

[Memphis Slim]

That actually, might have been the way it had gone, if Maria Hill wasn't such an A-hole and tried to make him become pro by force. Especially before the law was passed.

Thank you.........

 

[Artistsean]

Thats why The X-Men should have been involved, they would have been Anti Reg while Sentry, Captain Marvel, Wonder Man, and Clone of Thor, would be pro. That would have even things out some.

I can understand why he wouldn't want to use them though. I think they might have all stuck together and been Anti Registration. They are mutants, and the Registration Act is one big Mutant Registration Act. They should have been gung ho to fight against it.
(Plus Xavier could have just used his powers against the Pro side.)
I know they are already registered, but don't you think that would add to their fighting spirit against the act. Because they were already forced to register, and maybe this could get them out of it.

I wasn't saying the X-Men were damaged, I agree this aved them from that, I just think it would have been right up their alley to be on the anti regs alongside Cap.

 

[Red Mask]

Charles Xavier doesn't have his powers anymore.

 

[Union Jack]

i still liked civil war...it did make me dislike iron man,i was never his biggest fan but i am a massive fan of captain america and spider-man...and when tony pooped on them it wasnt a good thing,as wasnt the FF splitting up and reed being a git too.
i know some characters were written off key...but i guess in desperate times sometimes you do thing you dont intend to or wouldnt have normally have done.
spidey has come off worst in all of this while tony who was very underhanded in the whole affair has done nothing but gained from it...and thats wrong.
makes you wonder if he had an ulterior motive all along.

but seeing cap led away was an unpleasent sight indeed.
i hope the punisher masquerades as cap for a bit and doles out some proper justice.
the what if? of punisher was captain america was a good read i thought!

 

[Memphis Slim]

Charles Xavier doesn't have his powers anymore.

What??? Man....where's Stan Lee..........??? The young punks are ruining all his work work!!

 

[Darthphere]

Stan Lee is at home waiting for his royalty checks not giving a damn what an old geezer on the internet thinks.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

It's had the phasing ability since the YA days. Did you read the YA/Runaways crossover? Because the phasing was also displayed there.

Yeah, but I never got WHY he had that ability. His old synthoid body was basically built for the task. Kangs armour has never shown that ability before.

I really wonder why some people have a hard time accepting that the Pro-side was losing that fight. Bad writting sure. But you can't argue that the pro side was winning or was going to make a comeback, because that wasn't the way Millar was writing it.

Actually, I shouldn't have to if people actually thought on their own instead of having others do it for them.

 

[Sloth7d]

Actually, I shouldn't have to if people actually thought on their own instead of having others do it for them.

Actually we wouldn't have this argument if you'd just agree the way Mark Millar writes=/=the way you would write it. Until then, be happy speculating away from how it was written.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Actually we wouldn't have this argument if you'd just agree the way Mark Millar writes=/=the way you would write it. Until then, be happy speculating away from how it was written.

We wouldn't have this argument if you didn't need to be led by the leash without any higher thoughts of your own.

If people literally just did as they were shown, the world would be a dismal, dismal place full of no progression whatsoever.