Chris Benoit Dead

[O'Haire]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...ldid=140442953

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[Sloth7d]

umm when the winner of a match is determined already.. and they practice the fights.. and fake the punches... how is it not?

Obviously, you've never seen tough enough. You can't fake a fall, no matter how well you know how to take one. Or even falls through tables and cages. These guys are basically stuntmen. Sure the matches are pre-determined, but theres alot of work involved. Not to mention the endurance to do all that for the lenth of an entire match.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

It sounds wrong because we're talking about murder, but his performance as a wrestler doesn't have anything to do with his personal life.

acting performance you mean... theres a difference. olypmic wrestling and the wrestling that happens in colleges and highschools around the world i have a bit more respect for, because it's there personal physical strength determining there outcome and how well they physically do, not a script.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Of course I know it's scripted. But you have to be a pretty damn good athlete to take serious bumps on the mat, sometimes be thrown through a table, and wrestle for 30 or 40 minutes and be on the road 365 days out of the year.

Yes, we all know it doesn't take skill to be a professional wrestler.

I take it you never watched any of his matches? Trust me, what they do is a sport regardless of what anyone says.

you do know they have fake furniture too... yes its not always.. and when something happens not planned, many wrestlers die or get seriously hurt.

yes, i've watched matches.. and just don't see why people get into it.. knowing it doesnt matter how much the person tries physically.. the outcome wont change anything.. its nothing more then a masculine soap opera... that is sometimes too ridiculous

if wrestling is a sport, so is ballet

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Obviously, you've never seen tough enough. You can't fake a fall, no matter how well you know how to take one. Or even falls through tables and cages. These guys are basically stuntmen. Sure the matches are pre-determined, but theres alot of work involved. Not to mention the endurance to do all that for the lenth of an entire match.

And then do it all again the next day, the day after, and the day after. Basically wrestling and on the road 365 days.

 

[Abaddon]

acting performance you mean... theres a difference. olypmic wrestling and the wrestling that happens in colleges and highschools around the world i have a bit more respect for, because it's there personal physical strength determining there outcome and how well they physically do, not a script.

well he's not acting like he's taking dives and making leaps, and being hit by an assortment of objects(usually).

 

[Ben Urich]

So apparently this guy, who was a talented wrestler, killed his wife, one of his kids, and then himself, and some of you are lionizing him? I don't get it.

 

[enterthemadness]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...ldid=140442953

Strange. At 12:01 AM EST Sunday, this Wikipedia edit was made.

That link goes no where. Well, not to Benoit's page.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

you do know they have fake furniture too... yes its not always.. and when something happens not planned, many wrestlers die or get seriously hurt.

yes, i've watched matches.. and just don't see why people get into it.. knowing it doesnt matter how much the person tries physically.. the outcome wont change anything.. its nothing more then a masculine soap opera... that is sometimes too ridiculous

Your point? Doesn't make it any less demanding. The common misconception among those who aren't uneducated on it believe that just because it's predetermined makes it a non-sport.

Kipp Sopp(Billy Gunn/Mr. Ass) said that when a person hits that mat it hurts and it continues hurting, and he said you're basically wrestling hurt all the time and you can't afford to have an off night.

You say it isn't a sport? Tell that to Mick Foley, Terry Funk, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Triple H, Steve Austin, The Rock, Brock Lesnar, and Kurt Angle. Kurt Angle, who is a respect gold medalist thought the same thing about professional wrestling as you did. He said himself in his book that he saw it as nothing more than a male soap opera, and he got into it himself as a wrestler, and went on to say that after his first match he fully respected what the professional wrestlers do.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

So apparently this guy, who was a talented wrestler, killed his wife, one of his kids, and then himself, and some of you are lionizing him? I don't get it.

Because nothing has been proven. We're giving him the benefit of the doubt and showing him respect as a WRESTLER.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

well he's not acting like he's taking dives and making leaps, and being hit by an assortment of objects(usually).

umm the assortment of objects being hit at him is nothing more then a stunt man being hit by prob objects in a movie. Though sometimes they do get into it, and something not planned happens... an example being a wrestler thinking a table is a breakaway one and throwing another wrestler on it and breaking his back. Accidents happen so yeah that part is real.. but for the most part, its nothing more then going to a circus and watching the acrobats or stunt men

 

[NewYorkSpider]

acting performance you mean... theres a difference. olypmic wrestling and the wrestling that happens in colleges and highschools around the world i have a bit more respect for, because it's there personal physical strength determining there outcome and how well they physically do, not a script.

If you don't have respect for somebody who does this.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Your point? Doesn't make it any less demanding. The common misconception among those who aren't uneducated on it believe that just because it's predetermined makes it a non-sport.

Kipp Sopp(Billy Gunn/Mr. Ass) said that when a person hits that mat it hurts and it continues hurting, and he said you're basically wrestling hurt all the time and you can't afford to have an off night.

You say it isn't a sport? Tell that to Mick Foley, Terry Funk, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Triple H, Steve Austin, The Rock, Brock Lesnar, and Kurt Angle. Kurt Angle, who is a respect gold medalist thought the same thing about professional wrestling as you did. He said himself in his book that he saw it as nothing more than a male soap opera, and he got into it himself as a wrestler, and went on to say that after his first match he fully respected what the professional wrestlers do.

he got the gold metal in REAL wrestling, not "pro-wrestling" ones an olympic sport for a reason and a big difference, and i respect him for that, he earned it.

 

[Spade]

So apparently this guy, who was a talented wrestler, killed his wife, one of his kids, and then himself, and some of you are lionizing him? I don't get it.

Nobody is. Everyone has gone into depths saying that if he did this he was in the wrong, but that they respect his career. I may hate someone like OJ for getting away with what I perceive to be bloody murder, but he had talent to behold. All people are doing is choosing to remember the man before he possibly did something so heinous.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

I see allot of Avvy's and Sig changes on Tuesday.

 

[Abaddon]

umm the assortment of objects being hit at him is nothing more then a stunt man being hit by prob objects in a movie. Though sometimes they do get into it, and something not planned happens... an example being a wrestler thinking a table is a breakaway one and throwing another wrestler on it and breaking his back. Accidents happen so yeah that part is real.. but for the most part, its nothing more then going to a circus and watching the acrobats or stunt men

so what if it is?

 

[Jerry!]

Because nothing has been proven. We're giving him the benefit of the doubt and showing him respect as a WRESTLER.

Heres the real burning question. Will you continue to have him as your avatar pic when he is proven to have killed his family? Or will you continue to say you are just showing him respect as a wrestler? I don't care who the guy was or what he did, you kill your own kid and wife, and then kill yourself leaving your other kids without any parents, you are a goddamned coward and deserve no respect at all for anything.

 

[ArmyDragon92A]

Because nothing has been proven. We're giving him the benefit of the doubt and showing him respect as a WRESTLER.

Him being a wrestler has nothing to do with this

"Oh yeah that guy killed his kids but he was one hell of a wrestler"

Ok. Fine. But not...

"RESPECT THE MAN!! HE DID WRONG BUT HE ROCKED IN THE RING!!!"

 

[Ben Urich]

Because nothing has been proven. We're giving him the benefit of the doubt and showing him respect as a WRESTLER.

Seems pretty cut-and-dried to me, though. Unless it was his wife who did the killing, the dude is a murderer. I don't care how great at his profession he was, there's no excuse for idolizing a murderer. Period.

I guess we'll have to wait for an official report to know for sure, but if it turns out he's the culprit, everyone with a Benoit tribute signature/avatar/whatever should be ashamed of themselves.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

If you don't have respect for somebody who does this.

please, you really think those tables and chairs are real? and that there not prepped how to fall to make things hurt less and more safe? i've taken a stunt acting class even, you can easily make things look like they hurt 10times more then they would (though again, i wont say what they do doesnt hurt them, but not nearly as much as it looks, (unless something goes wrong))

 

[LastSunrise1981]

he got the gold metal in REAL wrestling, not "pro-wrestling" ones an olympic sport for a reason and a big difference, and i respect him for that, he earned it.

What I'm saying is he thought the same thing you did and came to the realization that there's more to professional wrestling than what you claim.

Everyone knows it's scripted. Everyone knows the outcomes are already decided before the match started. However it takes skill to be able to flip, take a fall, take a steel chair shot without being killed or give one without killing someone, wrestling for 30, 40, and sometimes even 60 minutes one night.

Then doing it all over again the next night, the night after, and so forth.

In my opinion these guys deserve respect for what they do as they actually risk their bodies to entertain fans.

 

[Abaddon]

the chairs are real, they just hit them in ways don't cause too much pain.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

I guess I will change my avvy back so people quit their ****ing B****ing.

 

[Jerry!]

Seems pretty cut-and-dried to me, though. Unless it was his wife who did the killing, the dude is a murderer. I don't care how great at his profession he was, there's no excuse for idolizing a murderer. Period.

I guess we'll have to wait for an official report to know for sure, but if it turns out he's the culprit, everyone with a Benoit tribute signature/avatar/whatever should be ashamed of themselves.

Yeah exactly. But the sad thing is that not everyone will be ashamed. They will just say they are respecting him for his wrestling, which is a load of bull****.

 

[Spade]

Seems pretty cut-and-dried to me, though. Unless it was his wife who did the killing, the dude is a murderer. I don't care how great at his profession he was, there's no excuse for idolizing a murderer. Period.

I guess we'll have to wait for an official report to know for sure, but if it turns out he's the culprit, everyone with a Benoit tribute signature/avatar/whatever should be ashamed of themselves.

Yeah, because it was so obvious from the initial details that he killed them. Right? You need to believe a little less in magic and a little more in logic- no one could look in a crystal ball and forsee this beforehand. This was the natural reaction. Way to look like a jerk.